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61  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 21, 2014, 05:37:10 PM
Oh great, I have to pick one at a later date? XD *sigh* Torn between Torri and Serina then...

That'll be a while though. I'm still on the 4th Dungeon just because I'm being very OCD about leveling and grabbing every last chest and doing all the quests.
62  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 20, 2014, 07:43:35 AM
So far I think that part about Feene would be fine if all the other characters weren't going on and on about how 'great' she is. I get more of the 'perfect' vibe from Chloe. Oh look, a child genius, teacher everyone loves, who writes books/papers about everything that even the government uses, yet still has a perfect figure and dat-da-dat-da-dah. Good lord did they shove her harshly off the Mary Sue tree with every branch on the way down being smacked.

And yeah...those 3+ AR matings are...let's just say I'm amazed there hasn't been any GIFs cycling through here of those looped just because. XP
63  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 19, 2014, 07:32:00 AM
Feene I'm still up in the air about as well. I haven't gotten any of her proper events yet. Just the 'give a gift' filler and the whole one liner about how her family specializes in a martial art technique revolving around kneeing men in the nuts.

Which normally might fall under 'eh' but considering how "OMG, I don't wanna damage God's Gift!" every other female in this game is, having one that just comes up and offers to demonstrate that technique (without any malice or intended to carry through in a harmful way) is strangely 'refreshing'.

Also. Class'man'ting and Tri-matiing...oh game, how you never fail to surprise me.
64  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 18, 2014, 04:57:13 PM
Quick aside:

Just had something really odd happen. Had a Star Kid with Torri, didn't see any special notifications. However a huge list of class options opened up. Apparently this kid has a level cap of 99 and gets a special yellow star symbol under him inside of the dungeons.

...what just happened? o.O
65  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 18, 2014, 03:28:08 PM
I'm almost tempted just to boycott using Feene by virtue of her introduction having pretty much tripped over every 'Thing you do not do to a female character' alarm. Of all the characters in the entire game so far she's the only one I find to be borderline offensive.

-Hero 'saves' her hometown.
-Heroine comes before him all demure and also verbatum says 'You're the strong man who saved my town. I'm a woman. Therefore you get to do anything you want with me.'
-And to top it all off her battle outfit is a wedding dress.

Good lord I thought this cliche/trope was dead and buried (at least this extreme of a case thereof). But nope. Yamato Nadeshiko and Western Trophy Wife went and had a baby. We're still doing ye-olden hero gets to treat the village girl as property clause.

Probably going to give her 3 events tops. And if she's still being a boot-licker by the end of the third I doubt even I could stand it past then.
66  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 17, 2014, 01:44:43 PM
Just got one from Torri that's a wind all-enemy hitter.

Apparently in the 4th floor of the first dungeon's VR sim there's a chance of an enemy spawning that looks basically like a bunny and a slime mated. Barely hits for anything and if you kill it you get 1500 XP...holy crap.
67  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 17, 2014, 07:22:24 AM
I have to take back a bit what I said. This game isn't 'grindy'. That implies progress. There needs to be another word for this. X-x

Spent roughly 3 hours playing last night to get through Chapter 2. Star Children have level caps. What their cap is seems to be a combination of your level, heroine's level, and affection rating with some RNG thrown in for good measure. So when I started most of my kids were maxed out at level 14-16. Cleared out the two sub dungeons, gradually swapping kids as one capped out (you trade them in to level up the town for new stuff), then beat the main dungeon.

Since I swapped to Torri...I now have a Heroine reset of Level 6 (from Serina's 14) and guess what all my Star Kids are at? 14-16. ~_~; 3 hours and the only 'progress' is a raised level cap and about 3+ levels to the hero.

68  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 16, 2014, 06:46:47 PM
Fuuka is boring.

But did you know she can swim really well? >.>
69  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 16, 2014, 04:25:00 PM
At which point do you give up on half baked ecchi games with hopes of titillation to simply go for eroge where the tits are actually there?
I mean, if the game has nothing else at all going for it... why the hell not go play an actual eroge that delivers the goods instead of teasing.

That's a real question.

I'll probably have the most boring answer out of the lot due to the HSDD- Never.

Personally I'd be quite happy to enjoy the Ecchi games with none of the Ecchi as I prefer more adorable character designs, light hearted plots, and decent combat/class systems without having to delve into the hard-drama plots most non-Ecchi RPGs rely on. My RPG entertainment needs pretty heavy on levity and even contain some brain deadness to it, considering that between my anime viewing and novel writing I saturate myself in enough 'darkness' and over-thinking as is. XP

So for me there's never really any combination of eating my cake and enjoying it.
70  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 16, 2014, 04:10:17 PM
Just a random thought.

Why do I get the feeling we're going to have this conversation all over again when Mugen Souls Z comes out? XD

Although to be fair at least Mugen Souls tried to mix things up and didn't rely on 'peon' jokes the entire time.
71  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 16, 2014, 02:44:25 PM
It's time to stop using 15 year old games as the benchmark for bad voice acting.

Chaos Wars - NA Release Date, 2008

15 years huh? ;-P

Snark aside, very certain there's more recent examples if the year 2014 is contemporary enough for you. The entire game's just chalk full of bad VA but this timestamp I think captures the spirit of it. 'This' is bad voice acting of similar caliber. Conception II blows this out of the water.
72  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 16, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
In hindsight using the 'Editor's Choice' remark was the wrong word set to go with. I was already getting rather wordy and looking for something short/simple to get the point across. The comparison was meant to be a bit more universal. Since SoT received wide praise across the gaming review boards with commentary on the squickier material tending to be a footnote or a 'sweep it under the run', in general. Where as a majority of C-2 reviews bring up the whole innuendo thing as the primary point and tend not to let it go.

Which might've accidentally framed it as a specific-review targeting comment. Apologies as that was not the intention.

Really about the only thing I disagree with in the review is the knocks against the sound. Subjectivity with tastes in music aside, I still really feel reviews can't be allowed to call something 'poor voice acting' if it's not in the same league as anything like this.

Conception II isn't anywhere close to bad in the VA department. It's merely average with some sub-par direction choices.

But really that's just a nitpick on my part.
73  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 16, 2014, 12:37:32 PM
I'd give Twilight Princess a 10/10 but I doubt many people feel the same way. x)

Dice pls. We all know Trixie has far more depth of character and 'deserves' such an award much more.

*insert generic trolling face here*


On a sub note. Really hoping I finally get access to Torri tonight because so far she looks to be one of the few characters that won't be completely boxed into a worn-out cliche for the first 6 conversations. (I smell 'sealed in a lab hikikomori' here but at least that one hasn't been overexposed to me yet.) Although I can't get over the fact that she talks--with-an-extra--space-every--other-word-because----that's-how-sheltered-people--------converse-,right?
74  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 16, 2014, 01:46:13 AM
Yeah, I think I can see how the 1-Track vs diversity thing would make one particularly more unbearable over the other. So far there hasn't been any other form of comedic attempts aside from said subject material. Honestly I can't really say if Conception II takes itself seriously or not simply because so far there's enough evidence for both sides to have a valid argument.

For example. Early, early on the game exposits about how male Disciples have their power measured by their Ether Count. Even I can tell through the context this is basically set up for a 'sperm count' joke. However there's just 'something' about the delivery and its tone. There are no winks or nods to the audience. No forced press of the subject matter. It flows out unusually naturally and doesn't 'feel' like forced innuendo humor at all. Very much like the whole Crystal Insertion scene from the original Ar Tonelico. It's obvious it has that 'double side', yet the material treats the scene so straight that you have to feel it's sincerely taking itself seriously.

And then it throws pedo-priest-Roshi at the audience not two minutes later and gives us a girl with literal stars in her eyes as, yet again literally, a nun with a gun...

If you're looking for a 'why' there's really no other honest answer than 'it works'.

Not in a complimentary or praising way mind you, at least by my opinion. Just a fact of the universe that it somehow 'works'.

I've always had the same thoughts of 'why' for all Western comedy sitcom material that endlessly shows anything male as being hopelessly sex-minded, idiotic, and a chronic liar despite being the 'protagonist'.

Strangely, now that I think about it, there's an odd parallel to be drawn here.
75  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 16, 2014, 12:36:41 AM
Personally I think you people are stretching way too much. Especially with the 'juice' scene. Which I had no idea was even a thing until I checked the forums here. Really? We're going that far as to bend scene context and line delivery just to create false entendre? There's no denying the game has more than an over abundance of it throw in low, slow pitches but really. Now you're just trying to set fires so you can claim the barn bonfire's really a deforesting inferno.

Also kinda find it very pot and kettle how many people here railing on Conception II with one fist but used the other to handwave pretty much all of Stick of Truth; which anything South Park is pretty much as juvenile, low-as-you-can-go, bottom of the barrel not-funny humor. I'll point it out again. SoT utilized ABORTION and ANAL RAPE (possibly of a minor; have no desire to research this particular topic but considering how many characters in the SP universe are children I think the odds are good enough to assume this until someone corrects me) multiple times for 'comedy'. Guess what it got? Editor's Choice. And yet Conception II is being ragged because of minor to moderate innuendo? *brain blown*

I dunno. Maybe my HSDD is filtering out some of the more obvious things keeping me from seeing this 'avalanche' of supposed subject matter but really this particular criticism is being blown way out of proportion. I just got a fair way into Chapter 2 tonight and I have yet to see anything that isn't stereotypical content for your average Japanese Shonen story. Heck, compared to even some of the tamer Shonen material over the past decade Conception II hasn't throw out anything over the 'average' bar of eye rolling raciness. Even some of the things people are griping about here the 'golden child' of JRPGs this past decade, Persona 4, utilized as well. If not even worse than Conception II has so far. (Pretty sure there were 3-tops scenes of extended conversations post Naoto's rescue revolving around 'How big is X's breasts' as humor; one of which done in a hot spring with an all girl group for 'bonus points' on the low brow-o-dometer.)

The game's nothing special mind you. Horrid dialog for all the female characters thus far (not that the males are any better but they sit at base-level cliche rather than dipping into the 'bleh' pool), transitions so sharp I swear I get whip lash just from simple scene to scenes, grindy gameplay and waaaay too many tutorials just dog-piled on in quick succession. So there's plenty to nitpick here without delving into sensationalist fiction for extra discussion material.
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