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946  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 15, 2011, 04:43:42 PM
Should be going to get my copy in a few hours. Will probably spend the evening playing it then give a first impressions late tonight.
947  Media / Miscellaneous Games / Re: Ghost Trick -- compare to Ace Attorney! Sequel-worthy? on: March 15, 2011, 01:15:22 PM
Sequel, no. Spin-Off, yes. I think the series' next game needs to be to Ghost Trick what Edgeworth is to Phoenix Wright. Technically the same thing but from another perspective. With but a few exceptions most of the loose threads were tied in Ghost Trick and I feel the characters, especially the main character, would be "forced" if shoved into the spotlight of another main story.

However if the next story were told via a new protagonist with slightly different mechanics (like "Objection!" vs "Eureka!" if you follow the metaphor) with the old guard making minor appearances; that would be the way to go.

As for "is it better"? *shrugs* Each have their own appeals. Apples to Oranges apply here as they're both fruit in the end (supernatural-flavored fiction).
948  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 14, 2011, 02:52:58 PM
Curiousity: Why aren't people up in arms over this in The 3rd Birthday?

Age. A lot of what's bothering people with games like this is that it's a general tend for what look like very young girls to be sexualized, whereas even de-aged Aya looks to be in here 20s, MAYBE late teens at worst. AND there are people frustrated by the sexualizing there too, so it's not like The 3rd Birthday's considered completely kosher and AT3 isn't, but rather that AT3 has that extra layer that makes it disconcerting.

Plus you can argue it's optional in the 3rd Birthday by just playing really well and never getting HP so low as to be running around nearly naked!

Eh, whether it's 8 or 80 it shouldn't matter. Sexualized material is sexualized material. *shrugs* Then again I understand different societies try drawing different lines that people will accept and somehow justify it in their mind because everyone else is doing it. So that's a point I really won't press beyond stating my opinion.

Hypothetically; yes. But if pushed to a test that could be disproved quite easily. Just yank random gamers off the street til you had enough for a decent sample size (randomizing skill levels) and have both sets play both games with the condition "Do not make your protagonist nude in combat." AT3 would pass with a 100% rate (assuming what I've read is correct, for all I know there could be a battle where you're forced to go all the way; like how Replakia was forcefully engaged in an AT2 fight) where there would undeniably be failures for T3B; especially considering the poorly designed boss battles where damage will happen as an almost foregone conclusion.
949  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 14, 2011, 02:46:47 PM
From what I've been reading around the topics and news articles it's, rather interestingly, pretty much AT3 in a different form.

Forcefully de-aged female protagonist/s, dumbed down story (with an incredibly bull-crap ending), poor characters, decrease in combat quality, and a stripping element integrated into the game mechanics.

The only difference is one's optional, one's not.
950  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 14, 2011, 02:37:54 PM
When a game employs ripping off girl's clothes as a tactical advantage in battle...

Curiousity: Why aren't people up in arms over this in The 3rd Birthday? I've mentioned before that the game is crap because it forces you to parade near-naked Aya around on screen via the automatic HP=Clothing system and been told I'm over reacting. But here in AT3 the clothes stripping element is optional and has to be manually engaged by the player; yet people keep citing that as a reason the game needs to take a hit.

Then again the T3B topic has people over the moon about naked Aya in the shower so...I'll be darned if I ever understand the way people's minds work.
951  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 13, 2011, 01:13:39 AM
Heh, it couldn't have be any worse than AT2's at the very least. XD Now that was a horrid translation job. Completely forgetting to translate text. XP

I didn't play the JP version, but as far as NISA localizing it for NA, they did a solid job.  There's a lot of dialogue in Qoga, and it's amazing the quality job they were able to do.  Everything makes sense and aside from the occasional typo (and I mean a really small number), there's not much to fault at all.  It's on par with their solid translation of Sakura Wars ~So Long, My Love~ (which was another text heavy game).

EDIT:  I forgot to mention, I read an interview back where NISA said they stayed pretty true to the JP script.  Also, they made some changes to a certain character... You know what?  I found the link, it's a pretty interesting read: http://www.siliconera.com/2011/02/18/nis-america-answers-your-ar-tonelico-qoga-questions/
 

Ugh, that article depresses me. I actually liked hearing a girly voice coming from scary looking Mute. Having her sound more butch is so...so...not as funny/charming.
952  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 05:19:26 PM
Either way, I'm curious as to why Gust has been going for a younger look recently.  I mean, obviously to appease some of their fans, but when you compare it to more of the original games, I'd say the design quality has gone down, despite actually visually looking better.  If you compare earlier Gust games, like Marie and Elie, they looked young, but not like 13-year olds.  Judie and Violet both look much older, by at least 3-4 years.  Then compare that design to the new Atelier game's design, where the heroine looks 12 or so (well, in the defense of Gust, she might possibly be 12).
It's more than something just happening in Ar tonelico, but in their flagship Atelier as well.

I think part of the new character design thing may have to do with the 3d modeling. While I'm not trying to defend it, it you look at the male characters, they tend to look pretty young for some reason as well, and the ingame graphics, at least for Atelier Rorona have a bit of a chibi thing going on.

^This. Somehow I don't think it's so much they're trying to use younger character as it is something gets lost in translation between the 2D design team and the 3D modeling team. Atelier Rorona is a perfect example of this.

Compare this, in which the character looks 8 freaking years old to this, where she looks at least 13-15ish.

It's possible the "10 year old" look may have not been the design team's intention.
953  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 01:02:02 PM
The difference here is that those swimsuits aren't sexualizing the children. AT3 is.

Heh, can't argue that point. :-/ That's part of the reason I won't be utilizing the Reyvatiel's higher stage transformations.

Your swimming suit argument is flawed. You make it sound like people dress their children in bathing costumes so they can be gawked at. I don't know about you guys, but any girls i've seen at the swimming pool who are less than 15 years old usually wear a one-piece number. Like a leotard or whatever, because it is good for swimming in. Same for little boys and their trunks or shorts. We are hardly going to send the children into the pull with a winter coat on and some wellington boots.

It's so the children can swim without being weighed down by their clothes. It's practical.

I wouldn't call it "common" but it happens often enough. You might just live in a more modest area. And personally I see no reason why a t-shirt and shorts wouldn't work compared to some of the things people pass off as swimwear. *shudders* I had to wear the shirt/shorts emsemble just because I burn extremely easily (even with loads of sunblock) and that never really hampered my ability to swim or my enjoyment of it.
954  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 12:55:10 PM
And are you seriously questioning a purchase on a game because we don't want to see stupid-sex jokes and "little girls"...LITTLE GIRLS being stripped??

Potentially yes. Simply because of two words: Swimming Suits. People've been sending little children of both genders out, in public, wearing clothing that in general covers less than your standard underwear garment covers. Heck right now just to prove that point I could walk two blocks down to the local swimming pool and point out at least 5+ youngsters wearing less than some of the video I've seen of Reyvatiel transformations. And these are most likely younger than both the "appearance" and "actual" age of the Reyvatiels in question.

I'm not saying there isn't a point to what people are saying. However I find it very hard to take that point seriously when there are many, many examples of worse child exposure walking down the street without anyone so much as batting an eye. I cannot accept certain points when a clear double standard is involved.

Is Neptunia really a better game? Because getting beaten by Neptunia means you've sunk really low. Hell, I started watching a playthrough on Youtube once and FELL ASLEEP.

In all fairness Neptunia is one of those games that's more fun to play than it is to watch. There's a fair amount of set up and construction that goes into party prep. That and it's also better played in bursts rather than long sit throughs (like you would experience watching a play through rather than just playing it for 30-45 minute intervals before doing something else).
955  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 10:17:38 AM
Y'know not to try and be rude but I honestly have to wonder; how many of you that are saying the game should be degraded/ignored for the sexism pay money for cable/satellite television? Or to go watch movies? (Within the past 20 years.) If so, and you haven't been barking at other people to do the same; you're kind of being hypocritical.

I'm not saying sexism is right, or even "funny"; but point out to me one major time period within the past 20 years where American movies, television, (heck probably even modern literature) was not stepped in the sexist notions of "Guys are idiots." "Guys only have sex on the brain." "If something goes wrong between a man and a woman it's automatically the guy's fault until proven otherwise". Modern American culture is stuffed to the brim with anti-guy sexism; yet I don't see people calling those instances out. But if there's sexism about a woman in a medium...sound the alarms!

Again, haven't played the game, not trying to be particularly mean here towards anyway; just saying it seems kind of...odd.
956  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 12:29:56 AM
I'm not going to disagree that it isn't a step down. XD I figured that the moment I heard they abandoned their amazing battle system AT2 had. Although sadly I can't really elaborate too much on anything til I get a chance to play it. Seems like so many people around here have played it already. XP
957  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 12:11:48 AM
 
The hymnos was barely touched, I was a bit blue about that - but otherwise, the music in the game blows ...

Neptunia is getting sacked for a lot of the tasteless foolery and "humour" in the game and otaku's are furious... but unless you're a fan of that shit, what's there to like...?

Highlighting the two statements I found odd.

-Really? How does it "blow" I gave a fair portion of the tracks a listen (I know it wasn't a complete list because there are some battle themes missing) and it seemed par for the course for an AT game. Heck the music was far more pleasant to listen to than say...Fable 3 or Fallout NV for example. Granted I'm hearing these tunes out of context and at my own leisure without unwanted looping but I can't think of even a single track that entered "blows" territory. Even the strange little EP_NOVA.

-Is that game really setting off the "jaded" alarm that badly for people? ._. Neither me or my wife are huge anime people anymore. There's like...2-3 shows in our collection of DVDs at any given time and neither of us have watched anything from about 2002 out. Neptunia's self-aware parody humor has been rather enjoyable to listen to and she actually prefers I wait to play til she's home just so she can watch. Neither of us really fit into the modern otaku context and we find the game just fine. Nothing "OMG write home!" about but nothing that merits the ragging it seems to get.
958  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 12, 2011, 12:01:02 AM
._.; Yeesh, away for an evening and apparently I miss the flame fest of the century. My sympathies to the reviewer. ^^;
959  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 11, 2011, 05:35:52 PM
They even fixed AT1 by having Jacqli (god I hate typing that) say that Lyner is a legendary diver who cleared 3 girls .

A normal diver can go to lvl 5.
A good diver can clear his partner.

Lol, Jacqli's just lying to preserve his pride. XD Think about how extremely dense Lyner was. I'd say it's more like 3 girls cleared him.
*part joking-part serious*
960  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: March 11, 2011, 04:10:51 PM
Ah crap. XD Oh well, maybe this time I'll actually bother with multiple save slots for a change instead of trying to retread the whole game. Should be fun to see what sort of Cosmosphere antics are pulled this time though. They're usually quite amusing; well...not counting that weird Cloche-Luca only Cosmosphere thing in AT2. ~.~;
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