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856  Media / Miscellaneous Games / Re: Water stages in games on: August 03, 2010, 11:21:05 PM
Like I was saying, I don't know how developers put so much of these boring water stages in games. They are people that like games, I mean they can't be possibly be having fun with a broken water stage.

Another example I remembered is the jet-ski level in Uncharted 1. I sure liked it but I've read that a lot of people hated it, not the level itself but because it was too hard.
Maybe they are trying to put something "different" in the game but can't think of something else then a water level. For example, Dead Space has no gravity moments, which are awesome and really well made. I'd have that 10 times over another water level in a game.
857  Media / Miscellaneous Games / Water stages in games on: August 03, 2010, 10:26:27 AM
I was watching a video of this game called Hydrophobia, a game about using water in the surrounding and all. Looks as if Uncharted meets Bioshock but with a lower budget.

Anyway regardless of the game, it made me think of something I'd like to share: How do you feel about water levels in games ?

I felt like asking this here because when talking to my friends about 90% of them, myself included, hate water levels in almost any game. Like a great game with a horrible slow paced moment. I'll just point some games with water levels and my impressions on the level itself:

Metal Gear Solid 2: confusing with hard to see water
Mario 64: not that bad but by far the worst levels in the game.
Mario Galaxy 2: I was so happy when the water turned into ice so I wouldn't have to swim
Zelda Ocarina of time, Water Temple: One of the most boring moments in my life, with the exception of the boss which is cool.
God of War 1: Total drag on what is most of the time a good game.

I'll stop here as I think my point is made and bear in mind I'm only pointing water levels in good games here, if I were to point bad games I could complain forever.

Side note: interesting how Bioshock, a game that happens in an underwater city doesn't have a water level... My guess ? The developers knew nobody would want it.
858  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Just started Strange Journey... on: August 03, 2010, 09:57:12 AM
All I have to say is my hat is off to anyone who managed to get through that last dungeon without using a faq.
I already complete game two time (normal and chaos ending) without using any FAQs or map... Hmmm... Manual may be faqs or not???))

You are my hero for the week.
I really don't know how they (developers) expect us to figure out the mechanics of movement in those areas you cannot see. I'm at Area 4 of the game, the area that have those streams, like a river that keep carrying you around, and after you go up a few floors, there's something like it, but you can't see how they work because it's one of those areas you can't see on the map.
I went on GameFaqs to see a map for it, and when I saw how complicated it was I just put the game down and I don't plan on coming back to it. I have others SMT games here I haven't played and I bet they are a lot less frustrating.
859  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: My tastes in RPG's have really changed. on: August 03, 2010, 09:42:32 AM
Oh, you think you're playing to something good, but after all those hours of dungeon crawling, then grinding because you were trying to rush through and ended up being too weak to take on a boss, you finally reach those story nuggets you fought so hard for only to realize it wasn't worth it at all!

Seriously though, there's no reason in this day and age to suffer through a bad game for the sake of a story. I've been touting to just read books or watch movies for quite some time if it's story you're in it for, but you could also get a game's story through Youtube videos or a Let's Play, especially good for a game like Drakengard that has a genuinely interesting and fucked up story, but awful gameplay you shouldn't be suffering through just to watch it unfold, certainly not to see every ending.

You said it all. A good example of this for me is Parasite Eve 2. I have the game, loved the first one but hated the second. I simply cannot get myself to play it, not even with cheats, it's just too boring, so what do I do ? I'm watching it on youtube, sometimes after dinner I just lay down on my bed and put it to play. I was thinking of doing the same with Nier but I'm still unsure if I'll give it a chance.

About being a little satured of RPGs (or a genre of games), I've started playing RPGs with FFVII because before then I couldn't read english so for me there was no point if I couldn't understand the story, and from FFVII onwards RPGs have been a case of love for me, JRPGs and WRPGs.

Since before FFVII I played only non RPGs, I came to like lot's of different styles of games like futuristic racing games (as F-Zero, Star Wars Racer and Wipeout), fighting games, etc.
Weird because I didn't play Adventures like Zelda for the same reason I didn't play RPGs back then, as I would not be able to understand, so now while thinking I think I found out why I don't have much patience with adventures, it's as if they are an RPG that haven't gone all the way (don't take this too serious as I try to play then, I just can't get hooked on them).

With this in my, someone here said the same thing, if you're getting bored of RPGs have something else that pleases you ready, even if only sometimes.
I myself have gotten bored of RPGs for some months. There's always a period in the year since 2004 I think that I cannot look at an RPG, or a game that just makes you smile without being complicated. One of my backup games is Minna no Golf (Hot Shots for PS3). I'm not even a fan of golf, but I enjoy it quite a lot, so when I want something more slow paced or after some tedious grinding in a RPG I'll play it, you know, slow paced fun, no over the top difficulty.

I think I've said too much, I'll try to make myself more understandable next time. My overall advice some anyone bored of RPGs in the moment: give it a rest for a few months and don't force yourself to finish, just leave it there, after a few months playing other stuff it'll come back to being the most satisfying experience again.
860  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed on: July 31, 2010, 09:37:19 PM
I was gonna post the same thing! lol
Anyway, I'm glad they are 'working on it" but given the time that has already passed, I think they should "work on in a lot faster". Oh, I think I know why they're taking so long, they're waiting for another RPGs to come and release it at the same time so no one buys their games, maybe they're waiting for Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy IXV, Dragon Age 2 or Fallout New Vegas, you know, some small title like these crappy games no one cares about. [/sarcasm]

Seriously now, when we have news of the new Tales for the PS3, if nor Vesperia nor Graces comes, people won't even care anymore, I know I won't. With Tales games from now on I'll have the same politics I have with Gran Turismo: I'll believe it when I see it.
861  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Best RPG of the decade on: July 31, 2010, 06:40:56 AM
I vote for Persona 3. So good, so original, unlike what we've seen before.
After it, I'd also pick Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic and Mass Effect 2.
For a JRPG fan, it's funny how Bioware put two games on my little list but it doesn't matter, the games are great so it's all right.
862  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: tales of vesperia makes me sleepy on: July 30, 2010, 09:51:43 PM
Really ? Vesperia was my first tales game and I enjoyed a lot more than I thought I would. It was my favorite RPG on the 360 until Mass Effect 2 came on it.
Like Serene Prophet I played about 10 hours of Abyss, after have finished Vesperia and although it wasn't bad I didn't think it was as good.

If you say Dawn of the New World is better, I'll at least give it a go.

As for SO4, my 360 broke for the 3rd time 2 months before the was released so I didn't play on it and after I played a little on a firend's Xbox but the announcement of it on PS3 made me wait (no voices of hell for me, which I'm sure are much worse than swapping any disc). So I just begun on it, but about 3 hours in, I kinda like it.
863  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: I have too many games to play!!! on: July 30, 2010, 09:31:06 PM
If I were you and had the intention of playing it I'd go get it. Think like that, since we're in a month a little slow on new games it's the perfect opportunity to buy it, because later you won't even remember it.
I didn't like Infinite Space much but honestly I didn't give it much of a chance I just thought it lacked a decent tutorial for the huge amount of stuff there is in it but I'll give it another try probably after Dragon Quest IX and Peace Walker.
864  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: I have too many games to play!!! on: July 30, 2010, 08:01:54 PM
But new games are new and shiny!  Sometimes you want new and shiny.

The thing about backlogs is that it can be very tempting to play the new game you just bought instead of a game in you backlog.  It's not like people are buying new games but just adding them to the queue.

Also, niche games don't always become cheaper with time.  Sometimes if you wait too long they become nearly impossible to find and incredibly overpriced.


You got that right!
I remember seeing Fatal Frame 2 or 3 for the ps2 almost a year after release on ebay and it was more expensive than the retail price, good thing I already had it.
Same thing with Valkyrie Profile 1 for PSOne. This one I bought used from a friend for a bargain before knowing it was worth a ton. On ebay I've seen it top 200 dollars. It's a good game, sure, but it's not a statue of a well know artist, it's a game burned on a disc.
Atlus games are quite famous for being hard to find later on.

I saw sometime ago that companies like Atlus sometimes like to do auctions of some copies of their games for absurd prices. I my opinion this is illogical market business because if there are a decent number of people wanting to buy your game, why sell to say 4 people for 100 bucks and instead sell it to 300 people for 50 bucks. I'm sure you make much more money this way, more happy customers and people that will eventually like your game and buy them when you make new ones.
I don't even think they should put the price down because it's old, since demand of said think is still good, but at least retail price.
865  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: devil survivor is too hard! on: July 30, 2010, 07:50:54 PM
I'm with the ones that think this game is hard. Not only hard but painfully hard. The missions we need to protect people ? Come on? I can barely protect myself.
Until mid game I though it was manageable but after that point, things just got way too difficult.

This game was the 3rd SMT game I beat, so I probably was still struggling to get the hang of it but sometimes getting said skill is way to hard, and the stages. Just for the record, I love SRPGs, and I've played tons of them, even some not so talked about like Phantom Brave and Stella Deus but this one: way too hard.
866  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep (PsP) on: July 30, 2010, 07:05:29 PM
I beat the game today, overall it is great!
Long story short, gameplay is so much better than any other. Lot's of customizations, battle is always fun, the game isn't too easy like KH2 and can be challenging at times, visual are in my opinion better than any other KH game and it has multiple playthroughs. I'm no Kingdom Hearts fan so I can't say for the story but it was fun with good cutscenes and bosses.

From a guy that hated Kingdom Hearts I'm changing my speech and this is possibly my favorite PSP game ever.

What I'd really like to see are these characters back in another KH game, maybe the one for PS3, if it ever comes to exist.
867  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Radiant Historia on: July 28, 2010, 11:57:48 PM
has tri-ace decided to break up with squeenix?
it did end of eternity with sega and now this with atlus
hm.

I sure hope not because I still want my Valkyrie Profile 3.

... One that sounds much more promising than Radiata Stories at that simply because of the MegaTen staff.

I couldn't agree more!
It's incredible that Atlus being a small publisher can manage to make much more good stuff (quantity and quality) then bigger RPGs companies like SquareEnix and NamcoBandai
868  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Radiant Historia on: July 28, 2010, 07:49:07 PM
I think the name chosen to be a little weird. I'll try to explain why, Story has the same meaning as Historia (in portuguese at least it means the same thing).
I'm not complaining on the meaning of the title, since it probably means almost the same as the former, but giving a name to something with two words of different languages, especially when the pronunciation of the vowels are pretty different makes it sound really strange.

Sure I'm nit picking on it but still. Well, I won't stop me from giving it a chance, but not only in this thread but overall I've heard so many mixed opinions on Radiata Stories that I'll wait to see more.
869  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: most unappreciated RPGs? on: July 28, 2010, 11:59:10 AM
Square could make a new Vagrant Story in a Demon's Souls style. Think about it, Vagrant Story was a mostly a dungeon crawler, only it had a good (but complicated) story, a great villain and a mixed up combat system.

We could use numerous weapons, from swords to spears and magic, much like in Demon's Souls. Most of the game hard a darker feel, probably because most of it happened in dungeons, as DS.

If only Vagrant Story was a little easier to navigate ... I made to the final dungeon (using a FAQ because otherwise I'd already be lost since that crazy forest) but for the life of me I couldn't find the way to the last boss.
870  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed on: July 28, 2010, 10:04:27 AM
Very nice! I at least hope that this time Bandai Namco publishes them here. I'd like to know what they're scared of, I mean Atlus publishes a lot of games and much sell less than any Tales.
Let's hope Graces looks at least as good as Vesperia since it's a port of a Wii game.
Now I wonder if they're going to re-do evrything, from characters models, towns, spells effects, etc wouldn't it be easier to make a new game ? Well, at least they already have voice acting, soundtrack and plot (and as a bonus for me, the theme song is performed by BoA).
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