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3001  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: July 28, 2009, 02:44:10 AM
Person 4, never playing it again.

As for the true ending? This is retarded.
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The gas station attendant. really. REALLY?! Good grief.

Although I do find it cool that she's Izanami, and the Persona you start with was Izanagi.

The rest of it is stupid.

Oh hi, extra dungeon. No thanks Too bad I wanted to see how true the ending was.
3002  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: July 27, 2009, 11:45:18 PM
I would really love a direct sequel to P3/P4 with the characters from both games.

The starting point for the story could be:

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Elizabeth trying to save P3's MC. I thought it was really cool when Margareth revealed that her sister wasn't in the velvet room because she was trying to save the guy from P3, I would love to see that arc develop into a story for a new game eventually involving the most popular characters from both games with maybe a few new ones, maybe a new protagonist who would somehow get involved in the whole thing.
That's a neat idea. When does Margaret mention this, by the way? I'm not doubting you, since many people have told me this, I was just wondering if it's in the S-link since I never got it past level 2.
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It could work since P3 takes place in 2009 and P4 takes place in 2011, and P4 visits P3's area (Port Island) in which you go to the school, meet the principal and that weird teacher AND Chihiro, plus a reference to Mitsuru, so further proof 3/4 are in the same universe and all...
I still vote for a female lead. =P
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Mainly story and characters. I still think P4 is a great game, but while it's improvements are great (even though I was perfectly fine with P3's battle system, and found the automatic AI nearly useless in this game),
I didn't give P4's AI much of a chance, but it might have been so dumb that it pissed me off after like one battle. I found P3's AI to be pretty good, save for the final battle. Then again, I found the main character in P3 to be stronger than 4's, so maybe his supporting cast wasn't as badly needed.

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I think the story drags too much, and the conclusion left me disappointed (the normal good ending, that is).
I probably mentioned it in this thread already, but I agree, the story moved FAR too slowly in the beginning, and as of December 20th the conclusions THUS FAR have been a letdown.

As for Teddie, I have NO IDEA what to think of him.
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like having the Social Lins characters and your decisions affect the story and the characters and their interaction, to the point that you can actually mess up your relationships permanently.
Even while playing P3, I kept thinking of how I'd like to see some S-links have more tie-ins to the main story, including decisions you make. I BROKE my S-link with Mitsuru entirely at one point, but reset immediately after :P (I assume you have to start the link from thebeginning if that happens, but I wasn't willing to find out)
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No, it's best to stop a series short of that and pace themselves out so Persona can remain great and not be ruined for everyone. (etc)
Exactly. Which is why I say they should step away from Persona for a few years and revamp the system a little so they don't oversaturate us either way.
3003  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: July 27, 2009, 01:42:29 PM
Oh yeah, I know well this series hasn't had many female leads - which is why I think it would be a nice change-up. :)

I still want Persona 2, the prices on eBay are just retarded.
3004  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: July 27, 2009, 01:16:54 PM
Curious. In what way? Story, characters, gameplay, or which? Or do you mean overall?
I think there was a general consensus that Persona 4's story was weaker, but that the gameplay had some very welcome improvements. In my eyes, that's not a slight on Persona 4's story, really - it's just a very difficult thing to follow a mind-blowing story like Persona 3 FES had.
I don't disagree at all, I just wanted to hear his opinion since he didn't specify what it was about Persona 4 that he found weak.

I think the story had potential to be better than it was, but 1) it got off to a REALLY slow start which discouraged me greatly at first and 2) where I am, at December 20th, the conclusions thus far have been a total letdown. Granted, I haven't FINISHED the game obviously, and there's still room for a satisfying explanation for the fog and the TV world, although from what I heard, the explanations are kind of lame and/or vague.

But even aside all that, it'd have been hard to beat Persona 3's story.
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I've always thought of Persona as being more about the deep relationships that people have with each other than about a particular battle system or whatever. (That same thing is what I think gave Lost Odyssey a lot of its punch, too, as a matter of fact.) I think I'd care more about seeing the S.Links improve than the battle system. A college campus and a female protagonist would give S.Links and the story some new places to go, and, in my opinion, keep the series fresh.
Yeah, I do tend to go for games with more character/story/relationship development. Which is why I love Persona it seems, although, I won't turn down a decent battle system either.

I think, when I beat the final boss, I'll write a review or something that compares P3 and 4.
3005  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: July 27, 2009, 12:42:42 PM
Agreed, although I'd like to add that P4 was weaker than P3. At least that's what I think.

Curious. In what way? Story, characters, gameplay, or which? Or do you mean overall?
3006  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: July 27, 2009, 12:35:36 PM
As far as I'm concerned, they can keep milking that series until the games start to suck or blend together. Persona 3 FES was a masterpiece, and Persona 4 was just fantastic. Maybe bump it up to college kids next time - that should provide for some more varied S.Links.

I played a teensy bit of Devil Survivor over the weekend, and I'm a little meh on it. Story and characters aren't growing on me very much yet, but the battle system is pretty interesting.
I'd like to see them return to Persona although not right away, but in a couple years from now and do SMT4 first or something. And then do a Persona 5 with a bit of a revamped system (but keep the Social Links), with college kids like you said - and maybe a female protagonist? That'd change things up a bit.

I enjoy the system. I agree the exact same thing for a 3rd game would be tired. My one complaint about Persona 3/4 is that while 4 really improved on the gameplay, the story declined (with the exception of the Dojimas) from how good 3's was.
3007  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: July 27, 2009, 01:48:00 AM
Oh yeah, I'm not actually done Persona 4 yet. I'm in the last dungeon and I keep fucking dying. :P

Kay wait, so...
Uhhh...

If you managed to get that far, then I think the true ending is still fair game.
Yeah, I wasn't done, I just knew that I made the right choices (thus far) to avoid the bad ending (thus far).

But when I get to the end, I'll follow your advice, no worries. I want the least crappy ending possible. Heh...
3008  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: July 27, 2009, 12:15:33 AM
Oh yeah, I'm not actually done Persona 4 yet. I'm in the last dungeon and I keep fucking dying. :P
3009  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: July 26, 2009, 09:31:20 PM
Yeah, I got DDS and Nocturne there, but got DDS2 off Amazon.ca instead for the free shipping :P
3010  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: July 26, 2009, 07:49:54 PM
In my opinion, the process that one needs to take in order to get to the normal ending is total bullshit. The Yosuke thing is way too....well hey, it's just plain stupid. Then there's the True ending process, which is equally as stupid. Spoiler-free:
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You basically have to talk to all of your completed Social Link friends. Once that's done, the game will tell you that you're done for the day, and that you should head home. For the true ending, though? You have to select the 'don't head home' option and head back to the Junes food court to unlock the next event. There's more to it than that, but that just gets the ball rolling. Like...I dunno, it's just so pointless and unecessarily hidden.

Sucks about how it ended for you. If I was halfway thinking, I would have warned you about the ending's douchebaggery. =/

That sounds as retarded as getting FFX-2's 'true' ending. It's been years, but it was something along the lines of 'pressing this button when this scene is happening' .. something that you'd have to get from a guide or GameFAQs or a friend because how the fuck would you know something obscure like that?

Anyways, deciding on whether I should play DDS or Nocturne next.
3011  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: July 25, 2009, 10:46:02 PM
Persona 4 is so depressing :(

Edit: Okay, I'm on December 5th now. I'm on the path to the normal ending. After I'd already done all that December 3rd stuff when you had to answer Yosuke some 6 times in a row, I looked back in the guide and apparently you had to answer all six of them exactly just to get to the normal ending.

Unfortunately, after all that I accidentally saved over my previous save.. meaning I'll have to YouTube the bad ending(s). :P

As for the killer
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I guessed Adachi the first time...
3012  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: July 25, 2009, 11:33:00 AM
How far are you into P4's Devil S-link?  My take on it was that
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the first half was good, but in the second half it kinda chickened out.
  Justice and Hierophant were my favorites because the Dojimas are awesome. 

What am I playing?  Deadly Sin.

I started the link late. I've only got up to rank 3 so far, but I have met the old lady (Death s-link?) already.

Those two are my favorite as well. The Dojimas have been my favorite characters in the game the whole time, but I still didn't complete Nanako's link :(
3013  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: RPGFan Super Game Journal Turbo II - The New Challengers on: July 25, 2009, 01:57:22 AM
Persona 4...

The Devil social link is creepy.
3014  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Alternatives to the Ipod? on: July 24, 2009, 12:34:33 AM
People say the Zune has gotten better, but I can't say personally. I like my iPods.
3015  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Just got a new DS, RPGs needed! on: July 23, 2009, 03:32:55 AM
There's a recent thread where we picked it apart...let me see if I can find it.

Edit: There's some stuff about it in here - http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=5936.90
....wow.

I had no idea they could make an RPG so shitty in so many ways.

I've always wondered why Lunar ever needed so many remakes to begin with, though this one sounds like it needs to be forgotten anyway :P
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