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1  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed on: January 28, 2015, 09:52:37 AM
@Dice: You say that, but then you had to post a picture of some douche photo bombing a picture at a upscale horse race with his tweed suit, his bowler and his smugness standing among societies' job creators with their silk top hats, their pea-coats and their white carnations tucked into their lapels.

That said, considering that Alisha's original design has her rocking plate mail arm guards along with a ZR, I can't really say that this one's any worse (though it does away with her color scheme as the team's Pink Ranger).

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Apparently, according to Siliconera, the other human dies at some point in the story as well, making this really the Corey/Rose power hour. While it doesn't make the Alisha thing any less scuzzy, at least its no worse than what I expected of Bandai and their Tales of Studio, especially after Xillia. Their cageyness about those two (especially in light of their series current mandate of at least having 4 playable males and 4 playable females for title purposes) made it pretty goddamn obvious that it was going to be entirely about Borey and his invisible friends. I'm more shocked by the fact that Rose is at all relevant since A) she's female and B) was officially announced at the eleventh hour.

Besides, look on the bright side, we now have our first female version of the Flynn archetype. Progress!


Its kinda funny, I've been a fan of the series since Symphonia landed on gamecube and I've played every localized entry since, other than some basic previews introducing Sorey and Alisha, around when it was announced showing I've largely stayed away from anything remotely "spoiler-rific" concerning this game. 

Having heard about this Alisha  "controversy" I have to chuckle- Considering that no one has even played this game up until just now (and I'm guessing 90% of the people posting away with various negative opinions on the game probably haven't played the game AT ALL and won't until it comes west), its funny how many out there on various message boards seem to have a strong opinion on this subject, to the point where it seems like this is almost ruining the game for them.  Its like, how can somebody be THAT attached to a character whose game they haven't even played yet?  Its not like you can have an opinion on much of anything, other than how you think the characters "looks".  How about actually playing the game to completion with an open mind, and letting Namco to tell the story it intended with this game before passing judgement?

As for her apparent DLC episode/side story/epilogue, whatever that may be, since it will effectively be free (for two weeks, which yes, is a limited time frame, but if you are a big fan of this series, don't tell me you aren't grabbing this day one), so no big deal.  Costumes/novelty mystic arts attacks, and other boosts as DLC are kind of goofy, but alas are reality for gaming in 2015.  If this revenue helps keep Namco producing games in this series (and bringing localized versions West, most importantly to me)

I'd bet real money that the free DLC thing is only for Japan and only as an apology to the fans that are pissed on getting burned by Zesty's scuzzy marketing when they Day 1'd the game.

And that's where a good deal of the anger is coming from. Zesty pulled a classic bait-and-switch given all the initial focus that Alisha was getting (she got a figure) compared to how quickly she got shoved onto the bus in game, especially given that she was being talked up as an important dynamic to the game's plot; with associates, potential antagonists, a contrast to the main character's plot and everything and none of that matters because its hard to have a side plot when the character central to said plot goes "I must go now, for my planet needs me". And while I don't know the exact score (or even claim to know right now), its pretty obvious that what was originally stated and what was ultimately delivered are two different things, and this discrepancy is not for good reasons.

There's also a lot of hate towards the clunkiness of the game in general. Specially in regards to the battle field camera and multiplayer with more than 2 people playing being complete ass.

Honestly, even so, yeah, they featured art of her initially, there is a figure of her, whatever.  Its not like they made any specific story promises with her, just that she is a character featured in the game, which she is indeed in there.  Again, I make no judgement until I play the game myself, if her "omission" actually feels like one or not.  As for the more technical shortcomings reported, any opinion will have to wait on that as well.  I've only ever played these games on my own so any critiques of the game's MP friendliness are lost on me.  As for criticism that battle hasn't changed much from Graces, I pretty much say "lol so what".  That games battle system was fine.  Tales Games in general are like comfort food to me.  I don't want much change.  (uh, it would be horrifying if Namco decided to go all Final Fantasy 13 with this series, and just bastardized the traditional elements so much that the games are barely jrpgs anymore)
2  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed on: January 27, 2015, 04:06:15 PM
Its kinda funny, I've been a fan of the series since Symphonia landed on gamecube and I've played every localized entry since, other than some basic previews introducing Sorey and Alisha, around when it was announced showing I've largely stayed away from anything remotely "spoiler-rific" concerning this game. 

Having heard about this Alisha  "controversy" I have to chuckle- Considering that no one has even played this game up until just now (and I'm guessing 90% of the people posting away with various negative opinions on the game probably haven't played the game AT ALL and won't until it comes west), its funny how many out there on various message boards seem to have a strong opinion on this subject, to the point where it seems like this is almost ruining the game for them.  Its like, how can somebody be THAT attached to a character whose game they haven't even played yet?  Its not like you can have an opinion on much of anything, other than how you think the characters "looks".  How about actually playing the game to completion with an open mind, and letting Namco to tell the story it intended with this game before passing judgement?

As for her apparent DLC episode/side story/epilogue, whatever that may be, since it will effectively be free (for two weeks, which yes, is a limited time frame, but if you are a big fan of this series, don't tell me you aren't grabbing this day one), so no big deal.  Costumes/novelty mystic arts attacks, and other boosts as DLC are kind of goofy, but alas are reality for gaming in 2015.  If this revenue helps keep Namco producing games in this series (and bringing localized versions West, most importantly to me)

On another note- agree totally with the love for Vesperia's art.  Honestly, the console games released since IMO look like games on some kind of previous generation console next to Vesperia.  Why they didn't stick with that style is WAY beyond me. 
3  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed on: August 01, 2014, 11:06:06 AM
I just want to share some of my personal love for the Tales series. 

For me, I love it because at its core its one of the few series on console that still sort of unapologetically uses the old conventions and is very traditional= direct leveling up from fighting monsters, set character classes and upgrade paths (yes, Xillia kind of introduced some customization here, but there was still an "auto-level", and pretty much set archtypes, and paths you were building your character to be).  Towns with item shops, weapon/armor shops where you buy the gear that upgrades stats with money directly dropped from monsters or selling off your old crap, etc etc.  I know with Tales, I"m getting traditional JPRG goodness, and not any of the experimental garbage that Square has been doing for a decade now. 

Yes, the over-arching plots are sort of B movie compared to heyday Final Fantasy, but the characters themsleves are good to me, I enjoy the art, and I enjoy the often humorous tone and party banter within the skits.  I like the fact that these games usually don't get too "heavy".  In terms of plotline and difficulty. 

Lastly- the series defining trait- the realtime battle system, is what keeps me in it.  Probably the only JRPG series that doesn't get me eventually yelling, UGH, not another battle.  I like the fast pace, the simplicity of the controls, yet all the little nuances, and the fact each character gives you a different experience if one gets stale. 

Yes, I love this series, and its about the only automatic day one buy left me anymore in the JRPG world.  Squaresoft in general got that distinction from me back in the SNES/PSX/Early PS2 days, but that long stopped somewhere betwen FF10-2 or FF12 when they really started screwing around, so I"m glad the Tales series really doesn't change much.
4  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: A message to Bethesda Game Studios from a fan. on: May 19, 2014, 12:18:28 PM
Its all a matter of perspective- when I had a 360, I was perfectly fine with Fallout 3, and Oblivion.  If I had to reload because of a minor bug, or a quest line glitched out- oh well. 

However, later I sold the 360 and used ps3 exclusively.  Having that platform for Skyrim was maddening- words don't describe watching your games framerate slowing turn into a worsening slideshow over 30 hours of play upon which it was finally nearly unplayable.  I'd start to dread entering/going near towns where it was at worst and at that point i put the game down, never to return. 

And before people criticize- i'm a console gamer only, no "get a pc" posts please.  The point is, the game released on ps3, it should work.  And from what I've read, this isn't isolated.  Fallout 3, New Vegas, I hear were also disasters on ps3, because Bethesda couldn't figure out how to manage the memory space they had to work with on ps3.   
5  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Demon Gaze on: April 23, 2014, 10:12:49 AM
Here we go again, with another game using "OMG anime fan service!" as a criticism. 

Honestly, I can't really say much about this game.  If the consensus says its mediocre, I accept that.  I've only played just enough of this particular genre of RPG (little bit of Etrian Odyssey, little bit of The Dark Spire, gave SMT: Strange Journey about 10 hours of the "old college try") before it sunk in that these kinds of games just aren't for me.  Don't like the extreme difficiulty, minimalist environs, mazes, having to map, etc.  mixed with minimal plot (save maybe the mainline dungeon crawlSMT games, which I acknowlege have deep plots, but still its interspersed between uberhard 1st person dungeon gamelay).  Don't torch me, I just prefer decent stories, enjoyable characters, and some good humor above all else.  I can take basic, functional gameplay if my previous needs are met.  Hecked I loved the orignal Hyperdimension Neptunia despite broken gameplay because I found it so damn entertaining.  Also, give me Persona 3&4 over mainline SMT, or even earlier Persona games without the highschool social simulator aspects. 

But I digress, my point is- if this were another generic "serious medieval style" rpg I really could care less, but the fact it does have some colorful anime flair to it and some bawdy humor between dungeons, is the ONE thing that makes me somewhat have a passing interest.   I still wouldn't jump in because its an uber-hard first person dungeon crawl, but if anything, its  style sounds like a positive and not a negative to me. 
6  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 17, 2014, 12:05:05 PM
^

yeah, its grindy in that aspect.  Naturally, you will have to switch girls to get certain elemental attributes and such on your main, and that will take some leveling to bring a new girl up to speed. 

On the bright side through, I'd say overall, the game just isn't so hard to require you to be really overleveled. 
7  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 17, 2014, 10:00:05 AM
I think it's pretty obvious that deathsaber has never actually played an eroge.  I do find it a little amusing how he can defend something like this game while simultaneously looking down on eroge when they actually have a lot more in common than he thinks...

Wrong, I know full well what these games are.  I've seen vids, read reviews here.  Games like Eselia the Eternal that have actual rpg gameplay to go with the visual novel sex shenanigans. 

So why not play these instead?  Because:

1.  I'm a married 35 yr old father of two.  I can play a game like conception 2 on Vita whenever while sitting with my kids, or in bed right next to my non-gamer wife, and not rankle any feathers.  Because other than some occasional innuendo laden text, the game is basically no different than any other JRPG.  I certainly couldn't fire up some sex game nex to my wife, or in front of my six year old. 


2.  I"m a pretty much a console gamer only.   All I play is purchased from Gamestop/Target/PSN store.  I don't do PC gaming, homebrew, steal games on torrents, or purchase those types of games from places like JastUSA (again, yes I do know about this stuff),.  That said, don't call me a newb- I've had almost every console made since Colecovision, and I was a heavy PC gamer in the 90s, pre 3d acceleration, when I kind of stopped because I tired of trying to keep up with it all, and decided to stick with consoles.  But no, I'm not a pc gamer anymore.  My pc is just for work and internet now.

3.  Honestly, I'm just not really into porn/hentai/eroge.  Maybe, if I were younger, but I find the majority of it kind of weird and gross.  If I want sex, you know, I go have some.  So there.

Like I said- I like the cute girls.  I like dating sim elements, or any kind of romance element-honestly if I ever read that any game has a romance element, its on my list.    And some occasional boob humor makes me chuckle, so sue me :)  Plus, I appreciate games that aren't so serious from time to time.  So there you pretty much have it.  Yes, it is possible somebody might be more into somehing like Conception 2, and not necessarily eroge and other "hard" stuff. 
8  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: RPGs you're ashamed to like? on: April 16, 2014, 05:00:25 PM
For me it was probably the first Hyperdimension Neptunia.  This was a bonofide broken game in terms of its gameplay/battle system.  Yet I kept coming back and played to completion- mostly because I enjoyed the characters and dialogue so much.  Just the crazy mix of weird antics, gaming references, inside jokes, and yes, fan service.  I remember they had one random scene where they encounter a hedgehog (obviously Sonic) leaving its old home (described in game as now being a pachinko company, obviously Sega) for a new one (nintendo).  The game was just full of these kinds of references which I thought were a hoot. 

Stragely enough, the sequels, which actually fixed the gameplay, did not catch me at all like the original did. 
9  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 16, 2014, 04:40:31 PM
At which point do you give up on half baked ecchi games with hopes of titillation to simply go for eroge where the tits are actually there?
I mean, if the game has nothing else at all going for it... why the hell not go play an actual eroge that delivers the goods instead of teasing.

That's a real question.

Because you are speakijng of porn and that is for scratching a completely different itch than what I would get out of something like this game.  There is no shortgage of that out there, and if I wanted that, i can have it in seconds, for free.  As a matter of fact, I can proudly say i've never spend a single nickel towards supporting that industry. 

However, I am paying my money to very much still enjoy a real videogame here, that will last 40+ hours, with stats, battle systems, grinding, and such.   Its just there is the added value of a wacky plot, bawdy humor, and some enjoyable artwork to this guy's eyes.
10  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 16, 2014, 04:19:47 PM
Just a random thought.

Why do I get the feeling we're going to have this conversation all over again when Mugen Souls Z comes out? XD

Although to be fair at least Mugen Souls tried to mix things up and didn't rely on 'peon' jokes the entire time.

LOL didn't really care for that one!
11  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 16, 2014, 04:06:53 PM
Dice, for the record, the lack of controversy I speak of regarding Southpark is that amongst gamers themselves where The Stick of Truth is concerned.  - In general hardly anybody in the gaming world, mainstream review press included, seemed to have any problem with the content in that game. I know the mainstream zeitgeist has made controversy where South Park is concerned from the very start, but gamers could seem to care less. 

However, in comparison, Conception 2 has a pretty long thread going at virtually every major gaming discussion board out there right now debating its very nature.  I'm just pointing out how its funny these big debates pop up everytime when it happens that an anime-styled game dares to be a little saucy- but unquestioningly has far tamer material overall than South Park. 

Embryon, you have every right to your review and opinion that it isn't a fun game.  I value THIS website very much for its content and opinions, which are always very well stated.  I enjoy many types of games in all genres, styles, and tone too.  RPG and overwise.  Just remember, fun is a subjective thing.  Games like Conception 2 exist because some of us do like them and buy them, and I'm one of them :)
12  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 16, 2014, 03:22:18 PM

Also kinda find it very pot and kettle how many people here railing on Conception II with one fist but used the other to handwave pretty much all of Stick of Truth; which anything South Park is pretty much as juvenile, low-as-you-can-go, bottom of the barrel not-funny humor. I'll point it out again. SoT utilized ABORTION and ANAL RAPE (possibly of a minor; have no desire to research this particular topic but considering how many characters in the SP universe are children I think the odds are good enough to assume this until someone corrects me) multiple times for 'comedy'. Guess what it got? Editor's Choice. And yet Conception II is being ragged because of minor to moderate innuendo? *brain blown*


Real glad you brought up South Park- I was contemplating it in my defense of Conception (and games like it) but afraid I'd get shot down brutally becuase it isn't really a JRPG, anime, or tonally similar.  Conception 2 gives a lot of corny innuendo, a horny (but harmless) old man, some jiggle, and an accidental grope or two.  Southpark did indeed have your 4th grade character being sodomized on screen, graphic violence as well as straight up actual sex acts- ON SCREEN.  Granted, nothing in South Park was made to titilate, or be anything remotely serious- its all done in the name of outrageous/gross out humor.  But still- no outcry/controversy at all surrounded this. 

But bring up some light harem anime inspired game and here comes all the white knights. 

Look, I'm not saying Conception 2 is anything near GOTY material- but its just the kind of visual Novel/jrpg hybrid with attractive girls and bawdy boob humor I like to play once in a while.  I know the ladies have quite a few options geared towards them these days too, especially in the visual novel/dating sim world, which is fine.  People can debate the humor itself which will always be subjective, but it just rankles me to no end how a certain element out there just wants to outright drive these games off the shelves in the interest of having everything be just like Dark Souls or whatever other "hardcore" experience is popular at the moment.  Having variety is what makes life interesting. 
13  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 15, 2014, 04:58:34 PM
Truthfully, this game was made for me.  I am a man and enjoy fan service and the obsurd premise and hijinks.  I really don't get the hate these kinds of games get.  There are plenty of "serious" games out there to go around, but whenever a fun sexy romp like this comes along, its always the end of the world.  Its not even like they go to the realm of anything being truly explicit- its all just innuendos, and some nifty outfits (and exaggerated physics to go with them).  

The demo for this was easily the most interesting and entertaining bit of jrpg I've played all year thus far.  In contrast, Bravely Default and Lightning Returns bored me to tears.  Go figure.  
14  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: RPGs you're ashamed to like? on: April 10, 2014, 10:11:32 AM
People make DA2 to be way worse than what it was.  Did it have problems?  Yes.  Was the first game a better/deeper game?  Yes.  But still, most everybody got enjoyment out of DA2- and played it for its 40ish hour duration.  Was it a 7/10- yeah, but far from an abomination.  Obviously, the game was what it was because they cranked it out only 16 months after first game.  Truthfully, what we got was amazing, given the quick turnaround (and considering Origins got extensive and lengthy DLC expansion during this short wait)
15  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Ys fans- I need your help on: April 10, 2014, 09:55:21 AM
OK, here I am- a complete newbie to the series- never played ANYTHING in the series, but I'm interested in doing so to find out what I have been missing.  My only exposure to it at all, was from my super privileged buddy I had in Junior high whose rich relatives bought him every console at launch (this is a guy who had an actual Neo Geo at launch, and numeorus games) , who showed me Y's book 1 & 2 on his Turbo Graphx CD back around 1990 or so (I was still just a chump with an NES at the time, saving up for an eventual SNES)- I just remember there being amazing music to my young gaming ears (I vaguely recall him showing me a final boss, which had an awesome rock tune, and of course voice acting- which just floored me back in these days.)

So, I want to get into this series, but it seems to be on endless formats, and it appears there are even games being released now now which are remakes of the numbered originals.  

Now this is important- I don't play games on PC at all, so don't recommend anything to play on that- what I have is a Vita (and hence access to PSN PSP games), PS4, PS3, and Wii U (which can play Wii virtual console games).  Also I don't import, or care to play anything that isn't localized and in english.  I have no interest in buying foreign software and having to follow some kind of guide to help things make sense.  

What would you recommend I play, and in what order?  I understand the TG16 Y's book 1 & 2 from my childhood is on Wii virtual console, but I understand a remake is also on psp but that its sort of different.  Probably playing the psp version on vita is more desirable, but I'd be willing to play the TG16 version on Wii U if that version is so much better.  
Also, how about the sequels- which games are worthwhile, which might be avoided, what order should I play them, and which version on what console?

Any adivce is appreciated :)  thanks
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