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1  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed on: August 01, 2014, 11:06:06 AM
I just want to share some of my personal love for the Tales series. 

For me, I love it because at its core its one of the few series on console that still sort of unapologetically uses the old conventions and is very traditional= direct leveling up from fighting monsters, set character classes and upgrade paths (yes, Xillia kind of introduced some customization here, but there was still an "auto-level", and pretty much set archtypes, and paths you were building your character to be).  Towns with item shops, weapon/armor shops where you buy the gear that upgrades stats with money directly dropped from monsters or selling off your old crap, etc etc.  I know with Tales, I"m getting traditional JPRG goodness, and not any of the experimental garbage that Square has been doing for a decade now. 

Yes, the over-arching plots are sort of B movie compared to heyday Final Fantasy, but the characters themsleves are good to me, I enjoy the art, and I enjoy the often humorous tone and party banter within the skits.  I like the fact that these games usually don't get too "heavy".  In terms of plotline and difficulty. 

Lastly- the series defining trait- the realtime battle system, is what keeps me in it.  Probably the only JRPG series that doesn't get me eventually yelling, UGH, not another battle.  I like the fast pace, the simplicity of the controls, yet all the little nuances, and the fact each character gives you a different experience if one gets stale. 

Yes, I love this series, and its about the only automatic day one buy left me anymore in the JRPG world.  Squaresoft in general got that distinction from me back in the SNES/PSX/Early PS2 days, but that long stopped somewhere betwen FF10-2 or FF12 when they really started screwing around, so I"m glad the Tales series really doesn't change much.
2  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: A message to Bethesda Game Studios from a fan. on: May 19, 2014, 12:18:28 PM
Its all a matter of perspective- when I had a 360, I was perfectly fine with Fallout 3, and Oblivion.  If I had to reload because of a minor bug, or a quest line glitched out- oh well. 

However, later I sold the 360 and used ps3 exclusively.  Having that platform for Skyrim was maddening- words don't describe watching your games framerate slowing turn into a worsening slideshow over 30 hours of play upon which it was finally nearly unplayable.  I'd start to dread entering/going near towns where it was at worst and at that point i put the game down, never to return. 

And before people criticize- i'm a console gamer only, no "get a pc" posts please.  The point is, the game released on ps3, it should work.  And from what I've read, this isn't isolated.  Fallout 3, New Vegas, I hear were also disasters on ps3, because Bethesda couldn't figure out how to manage the memory space they had to work with on ps3.   
3  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Demon Gaze on: April 23, 2014, 10:12:49 AM
Here we go again, with another game using "OMG anime fan service!" as a criticism. 

Honestly, I can't really say much about this game.  If the consensus says its mediocre, I accept that.  I've only played just enough of this particular genre of RPG (little bit of Etrian Odyssey, little bit of The Dark Spire, gave SMT: Strange Journey about 10 hours of the "old college try") before it sunk in that these kinds of games just aren't for me.  Don't like the extreme difficiulty, minimalist environs, mazes, having to map, etc.  mixed with minimal plot (save maybe the mainline dungeon crawlSMT games, which I acknowlege have deep plots, but still its interspersed between uberhard 1st person dungeon gamelay).  Don't torch me, I just prefer decent stories, enjoyable characters, and some good humor above all else.  I can take basic, functional gameplay if my previous needs are met.  Hecked I loved the orignal Hyperdimension Neptunia despite broken gameplay because I found it so damn entertaining.  Also, give me Persona 3&4 over mainline SMT, or even earlier Persona games without the highschool social simulator aspects. 

But I digress, my point is- if this were another generic "serious medieval style" rpg I really could care less, but the fact it does have some colorful anime flair to it and some bawdy humor between dungeons, is the ONE thing that makes me somewhat have a passing interest.   I still wouldn't jump in because its an uber-hard first person dungeon crawl, but if anything, its  style sounds like a positive and not a negative to me. 
4  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 17, 2014, 12:05:05 PM
^

yeah, its grindy in that aspect.  Naturally, you will have to switch girls to get certain elemental attributes and such on your main, and that will take some leveling to bring a new girl up to speed. 

On the bright side through, I'd say overall, the game just isn't so hard to require you to be really overleveled. 
5  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 17, 2014, 10:00:05 AM
I think it's pretty obvious that deathsaber has never actually played an eroge.  I do find it a little amusing how he can defend something like this game while simultaneously looking down on eroge when they actually have a lot more in common than he thinks...

Wrong, I know full well what these games are.  I've seen vids, read reviews here.  Games like Eselia the Eternal that have actual rpg gameplay to go with the visual novel sex shenanigans. 

So why not play these instead?  Because:

1.  I'm a married 35 yr old father of two.  I can play a game like conception 2 on Vita whenever while sitting with my kids, or in bed right next to my non-gamer wife, and not rankle any feathers.  Because other than some occasional innuendo laden text, the game is basically no different than any other JRPG.  I certainly couldn't fire up some sex game nex to my wife, or in front of my six year old. 


2.  I"m a pretty much a console gamer only.   All I play is purchased from Gamestop/Target/PSN store.  I don't do PC gaming, homebrew, steal games on torrents, or purchase those types of games from places like JastUSA (again, yes I do know about this stuff),.  That said, don't call me a newb- I've had almost every console made since Colecovision, and I was a heavy PC gamer in the 90s, pre 3d acceleration, when I kind of stopped because I tired of trying to keep up with it all, and decided to stick with consoles.  But no, I'm not a pc gamer anymore.  My pc is just for work and internet now.

3.  Honestly, I'm just not really into porn/hentai/eroge.  Maybe, if I were younger, but I find the majority of it kind of weird and gross.  If I want sex, you know, I go have some.  So there.

Like I said- I like the cute girls.  I like dating sim elements, or any kind of romance element-honestly if I ever read that any game has a romance element, its on my list.    And some occasional boob humor makes me chuckle, so sue me :)  Plus, I appreciate games that aren't so serious from time to time.  So there you pretty much have it.  Yes, it is possible somebody might be more into somehing like Conception 2, and not necessarily eroge and other "hard" stuff. 
6  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: RPGs you're ashamed to like? on: April 16, 2014, 05:00:25 PM
For me it was probably the first Hyperdimension Neptunia.  This was a bonofide broken game in terms of its gameplay/battle system.  Yet I kept coming back and played to completion- mostly because I enjoyed the characters and dialogue so much.  Just the crazy mix of weird antics, gaming references, inside jokes, and yes, fan service.  I remember they had one random scene where they encounter a hedgehog (obviously Sonic) leaving its old home (described in game as now being a pachinko company, obviously Sega) for a new one (nintendo).  The game was just full of these kinds of references which I thought were a hoot. 

Stragely enough, the sequels, which actually fixed the gameplay, did not catch me at all like the original did. 
7  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 16, 2014, 04:40:31 PM
At which point do you give up on half baked ecchi games with hopes of titillation to simply go for eroge where the tits are actually there?
I mean, if the game has nothing else at all going for it... why the hell not go play an actual eroge that delivers the goods instead of teasing.

That's a real question.

Because you are speakijng of porn and that is for scratching a completely different itch than what I would get out of something like this game.  There is no shortgage of that out there, and if I wanted that, i can have it in seconds, for free.  As a matter of fact, I can proudly say i've never spend a single nickel towards supporting that industry. 

However, I am paying my money to very much still enjoy a real videogame here, that will last 40+ hours, with stats, battle systems, grinding, and such.   Its just there is the added value of a wacky plot, bawdy humor, and some enjoyable artwork to this guy's eyes.
8  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 16, 2014, 04:19:47 PM
Just a random thought.

Why do I get the feeling we're going to have this conversation all over again when Mugen Souls Z comes out? XD

Although to be fair at least Mugen Souls tried to mix things up and didn't rely on 'peon' jokes the entire time.

LOL didn't really care for that one!
9  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 16, 2014, 04:06:53 PM
Dice, for the record, the lack of controversy I speak of regarding Southpark is that amongst gamers themselves where The Stick of Truth is concerned.  - In general hardly anybody in the gaming world, mainstream review press included, seemed to have any problem with the content in that game. I know the mainstream zeitgeist has made controversy where South Park is concerned from the very start, but gamers could seem to care less. 

However, in comparison, Conception 2 has a pretty long thread going at virtually every major gaming discussion board out there right now debating its very nature.  I'm just pointing out how its funny these big debates pop up everytime when it happens that an anime-styled game dares to be a little saucy- but unquestioningly has far tamer material overall than South Park. 

Embryon, you have every right to your review and opinion that it isn't a fun game.  I value THIS website very much for its content and opinions, which are always very well stated.  I enjoy many types of games in all genres, styles, and tone too.  RPG and overwise.  Just remember, fun is a subjective thing.  Games like Conception 2 exist because some of us do like them and buy them, and I'm one of them :)
10  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 16, 2014, 03:22:18 PM

Also kinda find it very pot and kettle how many people here railing on Conception II with one fist but used the other to handwave pretty much all of Stick of Truth; which anything South Park is pretty much as juvenile, low-as-you-can-go, bottom of the barrel not-funny humor. I'll point it out again. SoT utilized ABORTION and ANAL RAPE (possibly of a minor; have no desire to research this particular topic but considering how many characters in the SP universe are children I think the odds are good enough to assume this until someone corrects me) multiple times for 'comedy'. Guess what it got? Editor's Choice. And yet Conception II is being ragged because of minor to moderate innuendo? *brain blown*


Real glad you brought up South Park- I was contemplating it in my defense of Conception (and games like it) but afraid I'd get shot down brutally becuase it isn't really a JRPG, anime, or tonally similar.  Conception 2 gives a lot of corny innuendo, a horny (but harmless) old man, some jiggle, and an accidental grope or two.  Southpark did indeed have your 4th grade character being sodomized on screen, graphic violence as well as straight up actual sex acts- ON SCREEN.  Granted, nothing in South Park was made to titilate, or be anything remotely serious- its all done in the name of outrageous/gross out humor.  But still- no outcry/controversy at all surrounded this. 

But bring up some light harem anime inspired game and here comes all the white knights. 

Look, I'm not saying Conception 2 is anything near GOTY material- but its just the kind of visual Novel/jrpg hybrid with attractive girls and bawdy boob humor I like to play once in a while.  I know the ladies have quite a few options geared towards them these days too, especially in the visual novel/dating sim world, which is fine.  People can debate the humor itself which will always be subjective, but it just rankles me to no end how a certain element out there just wants to outright drive these games off the shelves in the interest of having everything be just like Dark Souls or whatever other "hardcore" experience is popular at the moment.  Having variety is what makes life interesting. 
11  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 15, 2014, 04:58:34 PM
Truthfully, this game was made for me.  I am a man and enjoy fan service and the obsurd premise and hijinks.  I really don't get the hate these kinds of games get.  There are plenty of "serious" games out there to go around, but whenever a fun sexy romp like this comes along, its always the end of the world.  Its not even like they go to the realm of anything being truly explicit- its all just innuendos, and some nifty outfits (and exaggerated physics to go with them).  

The demo for this was easily the most interesting and entertaining bit of jrpg I've played all year thus far.  In contrast, Bravely Default and Lightning Returns bored me to tears.  Go figure.  
12  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: RPGs you're ashamed to like? on: April 10, 2014, 10:11:32 AM
People make DA2 to be way worse than what it was.  Did it have problems?  Yes.  Was the first game a better/deeper game?  Yes.  But still, most everybody got enjoyment out of DA2- and played it for its 40ish hour duration.  Was it a 7/10- yeah, but far from an abomination.  Obviously, the game was what it was because they cranked it out only 16 months after first game.  Truthfully, what we got was amazing, given the quick turnaround (and considering Origins got extensive and lengthy DLC expansion during this short wait)
13  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Ys fans- I need your help on: April 10, 2014, 09:55:21 AM
OK, here I am- a complete newbie to the series- never played ANYTHING in the series, but I'm interested in doing so to find out what I have been missing.  My only exposure to it at all, was from my super privileged buddy I had in Junior high whose rich relatives bought him every console at launch (this is a guy who had an actual Neo Geo at launch, and numeorus games) , who showed me Y's book 1 & 2 on his Turbo Graphx CD back around 1990 or so (I was still just a chump with an NES at the time, saving up for an eventual SNES)- I just remember there being amazing music to my young gaming ears (I vaguely recall him showing me a final boss, which had an awesome rock tune, and of course voice acting- which just floored me back in these days.)

So, I want to get into this series, but it seems to be on endless formats, and it appears there are even games being released now now which are remakes of the numbered originals.  

Now this is important- I don't play games on PC at all, so don't recommend anything to play on that- what I have is a Vita (and hence access to PSN PSP games), PS4, PS3, and Wii U (which can play Wii virtual console games).  Also I don't import, or care to play anything that isn't localized and in english.  I have no interest in buying foreign software and having to follow some kind of guide to help things make sense.  

What would you recommend I play, and in what order?  I understand the TG16 Y's book 1 & 2 from my childhood is on Wii virtual console, but I understand a remake is also on psp but that its sort of different.  Probably playing the psp version on vita is more desirable, but I'd be willing to play the TG16 version on Wii U if that version is so much better.  
Also, how about the sequels- which games are worthwhile, which might be avoided, what order should I play them, and which version on what console?

Any adivce is appreciated :)  thanks
14  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 03, 2014, 11:08:59 AM
The battle system is interesting, still trying to feel that one out for how its balance will work- the game seems to encourage having "releations" with all the heroines, monogamy be damned. 

That said, it also appears that whatever heroine you take into the dungeons (and you can only take one) heavily influences things- you take on the elemental atribute of the heroine- and kids born from the gal perform better when she is along.  The heroine also seems to influence which classes would best come from her - (a strenth based heroine would produce good physical attackers, magic based heroine would produce better mage kids).  These factors seem to encourage sticking with the same heroine and her, um, kids. 

but of course, if you were facing a water boss, you sure as heck don't want the fire heroine in your party making you incredibly weak to the enemies attacks, so I guess thats how they encourage enjoying the whole herem.  heh. 

15  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Conception II on: April 02, 2014, 03:19:09 PM
This demo has me day one, hook line and sinker.  I guess I'm part of the trashy contingent, too.  (In contrast, Bravely Default bored me to tears)

The best friend worrying about you "classmating" with his sister and then giving his blessing for you have children with her in the same conversation, had me in.  Its funny how they alude to having sex with multiple girls to have as many "world saving" babies as possible, when you actually are just holding hands with a girl above a magical vase thing and then a magical pokemon party member kid thing pops out of the vase.  But the actual "conception" cutscene and that song that plays during the "coupling".  LOL

I haven't played anything this outwardly nuts since Sakura Wars: Goodbye my Love on Wii.  I love it.
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