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31  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: An appreciation of RPG stories, east and west on: April 20, 2011, 04:48:38 PM
The plot for RoF is pretty deep, but unfortunately relies 90% on *you* figuring out the missing puzzle pieces to ID the bigger picture.  They went for a minimalist style, and it was neat to *have* to watch the two opening videos to get the plot, and even talk to NPCs for more.  ... all things considered, as unique and different as it was ...never again.  Weird how Tri-Ace works stories around.

Yep, like I said, the way they handled the plot is crap.  I should never have to work to figure out whats going on.  Maybe the more "arthouse" crowd will disagree with me, but I say tell the me the plot, tell me well, and better make it entertaining.  A plot can even be extremely complex, but tell it in a straightforward manner, not in an obtuse, disjointed way.
32  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings on: April 20, 2011, 12:11:59 PM
Waiting for them to finally give up and announce these games for consoles.  They may make pot shots at Dragon Age, but once they compare its console sales alone vs whatever sales they scrounge on pc, they'll want to cry. 
33  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: An appreciation of RPG stories, east and west on: April 20, 2011, 12:10:11 PM
I can really see it both ways, ideally there is a balance of both great story and great battle system in the best RPGS, but there have been plenty of games that totally enthralled me based one element or another. 

For instance - I loved Final Fantasy 9's plot, setting, characters, and the fact they simplifed the battle system, but it was just so SLOW with all of the animations, even just for the attack command, that made everything just drag.  The plot kept me glued to my seat for the duration, however. 

On the flip side, Resonance of Fate - I LOVED this games battles to no end, and fighting them out & customizing my weaons in that game became my life for awhile- the game plot however is probably the most disorganized lump of crap and nonsense I ever encountered, yet- the game sucked me in for dozens of hours. 
34  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Getting psyched for Sakura Wars ~So Long, My Love~ on: April 20, 2011, 12:01:03 PM
That game was fun just based on how bat-crazy nuts it was. 

Just the whole premise of a broadway theather troupe, whose theater also doubles as launching pad for Giant Freaking robots to dispatch and fight for Justice makes me smile from ear to ear just thinking about it.  Beings the entire game's grind is basically just a dialogue based dating sim makes it even better and certainly unique amoung game choices availalbe in the states.  I'd love to see more of these games. 
35  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Your Favorite RPGs and Why on: April 20, 2011, 09:01:10 AM
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The last great FF before they came out with various "systems" for upgrading your characters.

FFVI had the Esper system for upgrading your characters also like half the character had unique upgrade mechanics.

OK, touche, maybe a little bit. 

But that was still a very basic convention.  Each character was innately still unique and leveled up traditionally- no sphere grids, junctions, materia, etc. that made each character a generic, whatever you want them to be.  I like my fighters to be fighters, mages to be mages, etc.  At least FF9 was a return to form, and I personally think Square desperately needs to do the same with FF15. 
36  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Dark Souls on: April 20, 2011, 08:50:47 AM
I'm kind of sad Bamco is publishing this one.  Atlus should get the credit for taking the chance on the first one, localizing it and making it a hit in the states.  They should have been the one to publish this game and enjoy the continued success since they took all the risk bringing this series to us but now that the series has an audience, Bamco outbids them, because they are a more wealthy publisher and will now buy in to what they see as a surefire cashcow. 

I just hate to support the company that deems the Tales series unworthy for America, although FromSoftware definitely deserves success.
37  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: April 19, 2011, 09:08:55 AM
I bought both DOA volleyball games, and the strip scenes are what got me interested in this game. Also I am female. What does that make me?

Curious?   Or maybe a big volleyball fan :)
38  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: April 19, 2011, 09:07:06 AM
Qoga sounds like it's vulgar as hell.  I've got a copy right here, and by now, I'm expecting something rancid.

The thing is, the most visually "vulgar" material can be found right in the youtube video posted in this very thread that has a montage of all of the girls in battle stripping animations- so yeah, bra and panties and a little boobie bounce in Saki's animation- thats the worst you get visually.   

So you basically have that and some PG13 innuendo- worst offender is probably a scene where the main character must pull a magic crystal thing out of one of the heroines- during this there is a fair amount of moaning on the females part along with a lot of talk of "reaching inside me" and "go deeper" and "feel around me as far as you can reach".  Also, a bit is made of some of the girls figures -one being quite "supple" and the other being flat- really if you've played anything by Nippon Ichi recently, you know what your in for. 

I personally find the cultural difference of intersex relations as portrayed by Japanese and American games quite amusing, because in JRPGS while they go as far as to have cantaly clad heroines with insane measurements, and all of the lecherous innuendo in the world, Japanese games never take these relationships any further than flirting or an end-game declaration of love.  Actual sex basically almost never even seems to exist, even in the horndog world of Ar Tonelico. 

On the other hand, in american games, such as those made by Bioware, you can often get with half of your party, hookers, sometimes threesomes, you name it.  Everythings bedroom related happens off screen of course, but its all right there front and center for you to pursue.  But yet there really isn' t much complaining (save for the Fox News Crowd) because these games aren't really about all of the innuendo. 
39  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: April 18, 2011, 05:55:11 PM
I say from many youtube videos I saw, and everything I've read,  your still playing a male character amongst a small harem of girls, fooling around with them in semi-pervy mind games in order to boink (er, I mean bond with them and power up their battle abilities!)

Not saying both sexes can't get some entertainment out of it, or that females coudln't find some sort of ironic humor out of the whole procedings, but I'd say overall series is made for a hetero male audience. 
40  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Paper Mario 3DS. on: April 18, 2011, 05:25:03 PM
Can't wait for this- I hope its more Paper Mario, than Super Paper Mario - please bring back the lite - RPG battle system!
41  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: April 18, 2011, 05:17:46 PM
Thats where I admit I do not have much perspective as I've never played the first two, so i'm not measuring AT3 based on what the other two games are like, so I don't have any sense of let down or disappointment in that aspect.

Regardless of that, I guess the only point I'm trying to make, again, is I don't think females are the target audience at all with the AT series, which I think one might need to consider when reading this review and decide if the game is for them.  That said, Kim does as good of a job as anybody on this website & I don't wish to belittle or marginalize her in any way, nor somehow invalidate her opinion on this game which of course she is certainly entitled to have. 

Hopefully we are good to discuss these issues in a polite & civilized manner which I think is the real point of these boards & was mostly accomplished in this thread, with the exception of one or two individuals.  However, I don't want to beat a dead horse issue even deader, so I'm done with the whole "gender" aspect of this.
42  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Ar tonelico 3 coming to the PS3 January 2010 on: April 18, 2011, 10:23:05 AM
OK, bringing this thread back to the top..

My last two game experiences have now been Hyperdimension Neptunia & AT3... and I need to share thoughts..

I guess the part that gets me is the overwhelming display of apparent disgust and outrage people seem to have with these titles, which really confuses me.  Its made clear going in that these are anime games - anime as far back as I can remember since it came onto the scene, has always featured spiky haired mooks for male characters and oversexualized (and overdeveloped) female characters for the guys to drool over.  In a pure mainstream American context, its pedophilia, but in Japan, its hard to speak for that culture, not being Japanese myself, but obviously its cool with them.   I mean look back to dragonball, what many would call a kid's anime in the 80's which found tons of humor with the old martial arts Master Roshi constantly oggling and trying to look up the skirt of teenager Bulma.  In America - thats called jailtime, and lifetime Megan's Law monitoring, in Japanese anime world however, its called lighthearted humor.  Don't ask me why, just the way it is.  I guess my point is, should we be really be shocked at this point by how the girls are portrayed, as its just part of the genre. 

Ar Tonelico has always been about the cheesecake factor with the girls themselves being put on a pedastal as some special race in the world to be protected, using "diving" into them as a loose synonym for @#$%ing them and generally allowing gamers the extremely cheuvanistic role of diving into these girls to sort out their "issues" (since girls always have these)  in order to get into their pants (er I mean improve their battle performance).  I guess AT3 takes things one step further with the stripping (again to improve battle performance of course) , but it always goes no further than bras and panties, but you could look at a non Japanese game like Heavy Rain, which makes a point of taking the bra off its one major female character more than once and not always to serve the major plot in any way (its no accident you can opt for her to take a shower, but not say Scott Shelby!)  But, nobody is complaining about that.

I'm really suprised Hyperdimension Neptunia gets any flak at all, because theres really hardly anything overtly sexual vs many other JPRGS, other than maybe a handful of coversations with the girls talking about their boob sizes literally right at the start, but we are talking about 5 minutes out of a 40 hour game.    The thing with that game, is its really more of a satire on rpgs and gaming in general than it is an actual game.  For me, to describe Neptunia as a good JPRG would be like describing "The Naked Gun" as a good cop movie.  The game really has jus the barest JRPG gameplay conventions in between its lengthly dialogue sequences to allow it to be called a game.  If you truly enjoy it, you do so because you find the conversations to be hilarious, which to me it was, as I coudln't wait to hear what the girls would say next to ridicule the game industry.   As a game its probably a 6/10, but as a form of entertainment, probably 9/10, which probably puts the total package somewhere around 7.5 to 8 for me. 

On the flip side, AT3 succeeds more as a JPRG, but its story isn't all quite there.  The gameplay was fine to me, but nothing extraordinary.  I actually found the game to be less of a grind unlike described because of the encounter meter which eventually runs out, letting you have free reign to travel right across a dungeon unhindered after you work out a few fights.  Plotwise, it was kind of a mess- I was doing my best to protect these two girls throughout a lot of nonsensical nonsense none of which really mattered in the least, but in the end you save the day and pick your flavor of girl you liked (or at least found least offensive), and the game had lots of funny moments, if you can enjoy some lowbrow humor.   For me, probably also 7.5 out of 10. 

I guess i found both games enjoyable on some base level if you get the humor, and I appreciate a game with humor to offset the moody stuff coming from other JRPG developers.  However, some disclaimers, If you only like "serious RPGS", skip these.  Also, if you're a (straight) girl, I really can't possibly see a reason to play AT3 since its just not made for you, unless you are the biggest anime fan in the world and will gladly eat up anything the genre offers.  This is why I personally question the choice for a female to handle this particular game, however she did volunteer and stated her points eloquently for not liking, so that is fine.  However, I really think Hyperdimension Neptunia is an equal opportunity laugh-getter for mega fans of the game industry in both sexes if you can get past the admittably clunky gameplay. 

I think in the end, you know if you are the target audience for both games.    If so, try them out for your next rpg fix.  If not, then run away, quick!
43  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Your Favorite RPGs and Why on: April 15, 2011, 04:26:49 PM
1.  Skies of Arcadia - a pre-ps2 DreamcastRPG that was graphically, eons past the current psx gen that was out in the mainstream at the time- this game ditched the angsty Squaresoft vibe of pretty much everything else out at the time, and gave us a rollicking fun adventure as a sky pirate, with traditional turn based battles, and large scale ship battles.  I'd give anything for it to be availalble now as some type of remake, or better yet, make a real sequel....C'mon Sega!!

2.  Final Fantasy 6 - The Best Final Fantasy by far.  The last great FF before they came out with various "systems" for upgrading your characters.  Huge cast, with each party member completely different from one another in how they battle and their skillsets.    Throw in the best story, and perhaps the best villian in jprg history, and you have a winner.

3.  Final Fantasy 7 - Yes, this entry introduced a lot of hackneyed elements (most notably the overly broody protagonist), but while the psx console at the time was showing cinematic elements in games like Resident Evil that no one had seen before, FF7 took these production values, increased them to all time highs, and applied them to a 40hr+ rpg.  One can debate to the quality of its story, but no game took the genre (or the entire game industry for the matter) further ahead than this title. 

44  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Worst RPGS on: March 31, 2011, 11:19:36 AM
FF13 biggest problem is that it became clear reading the developers comments regarding the game, that all the pressure was put on them to produce graphically the best looking RPG, which wound up being 95% of their focus. 

I remember comments from them post game release after all the complaining started where they defended themselves saying that they would have taken 10 years to make a game with world map/towns/exploration with the same graphical fidelity as FF13.  The goal was clearly to come out on top with tech heads, and to stake the claim that their CGI was the best and first to display in full 1080i uncompressed glory, moreso than to just make a good role playing game. 

Therein lies their problem - next time out they need to forget about visuals, and just give us the beset rpg they can muster.  Heck, I don't care if they reuse the SNES final fantasy game engine- how cool would be be if they made some kind of "final fantasy 15-classic" which all effort was put into the story, setting, and characters, and NOT technical aspects.  Or if they don't want to be that archaic with the visuals, at least take notes with what Mistwalker has done with their recent titles. 

I don't think it matters, what it will look like, Final Fantasy 15 will sell, but they need to really refocus on the quality of this series in areas other than graphics and CGI.

45  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Worst RPGS on: March 04, 2011, 09:58:49 AM
I think the absolute worst was "Beyond the Beyond" on the psx.

This was the first JPRG ever released on psx I believe.  I recall an insipid story, lame characters, horriblly long and annoying battles, some of the ugliest graphics imaginable (worse than most SNES games that came before it), horrible random battles rate- literally every 2-3 steps in some dungeons, some of the most annoying dungeons ever- mulifloor dungon with invisible holes that would drop you to lower floors and make you redo, combine this with the random battle rate, Ugh. 

The game was just utter trash, yet I played through, and probably more than a few did, just because they wanted a jrpg on their shiny new playstation with fond thoughts of FF3 and chrono trigger in their heads, only to be demolished!
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