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361  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st on: June 20, 2013, 01:08:28 AM
I wish I was as optimistic abotu this 'voices being heard' thing as some of you guys are. All I see is a company caving to financial pressure and pressure from other industry leaders. I'm the kind of guy, though, who believes a corporation will not do anything, ever, unless it is something they are being fiscally required to do, and would pee in your corn  flakes every morning if it made them an extra buck in sales per day.

Of course this is about money.  I never thought otherwise.  That isn't really my point, though.  This is less about MS and more about the realization that there really is a line that you can push too far and make consumers react.  Because frankly before this there were a lot of people with the mentality that it's all just a bunch of whining and in the end people will buy it anyway and "deal with it".  Consumers, collectively, have spoken and what they're saying is that we're not going to buy that shit.  And that's a good thing.

Obviously MS reacted because they had to, not because they wanted to.  I don't think there's the slightest bit of good samaritanism here (well, actually maybe the region-free thing, since I don't think that was most people's complaint and Nintendo seems to get away with it...).  The point is that we, as consumers, are not totally powerless.  That is what I'm celebrating.

Yeah okay, well-stated. You make a good point.

And it IS good news on the region-free thing.
362  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition pulled from Beamdog and Apple App Store on: June 19, 2013, 10:27:23 PM
Why do I suspect that this company is about to tank, hard?
363  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st on: June 19, 2013, 10:24:19 PM
I wish I was as optimistic abotu this 'voices being heard' thing as some of you guys are. All I see is a company caving to financial pressure and pressure from other industry leaders. I'm the kind of guy, though, who believes a corporation will not do anything, ever, unless it is something they are being fiscally required to do, and would pee in your corn  flakes every morning if it made them an extra buck in sales per day.

That said, I do think they had the beginnings of some good ideas in there. I still don't think, even if they had fantastic hardware offerings, I'd be getting one though, since Microsoft's library has historically been almost bereft of anything I'd want. Lost Odyssey and Phantom Dust were amazing, but in hindsight, were they worth me getting those consoles? Not for me.
364  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed on: June 19, 2013, 06:55:38 PM
Ash let me borrow Tales of Hearts R. It is awesome. Xillia cannot get here soon enough.
365  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st on: June 19, 2013, 06:54:39 PM
Sony maybe, but I don't think Nintendo would. They're just now figuring out what the internet is :)
366  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st on: June 19, 2013, 06:46:09 PM
I disagree completely. People saying "Microsoft heard our complaints." No they didn't, they heard market research and saw actual hard numbers saying "this is a bad idea." If the numbers had been in their favor, they'd still be trying to convince us that their policies offer "thousands of dollars in value" right now and trucking right along.

Complaints mean nothing if people still go and buy stuff. It's just fortunate for us that in this case, people actually backed up their complaints with their dollars. The two aren't always in sync.
367  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st on: June 19, 2013, 06:26:28 PM
I think it's important to remember that this probably wasn't a case of 'voices being heard.' it's pure business math. People voted with their wallets and the preorder numbers showed it. Notice how belligerent they were about it RIGHT until the numbers became available. Our voices weren't heard, our wallets were.
368  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st on: June 19, 2013, 05:12:02 PM
I saw that news earlier. I can't wait for them to launch that. Hopefully it sets a precedent.
369  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st on: June 19, 2013, 04:51:30 PM
from the official post:

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These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

In other words, it sounds like they're ditching the 10-person sharing plan, which was actually a neat idea. I hope that isn't the case.
370  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st on: June 19, 2013, 04:45:12 PM
Plus, Titanfall's on PC ;). I don't count it as a console exclusive if I can have it on PC, too, because I'll take the PC version over either console version any day of the week.

This is still pure good news, and you're right about this being a delicate marketing situation: by doing this, they've basically confirmed they're favoring their publisher-relations with their consumer relations, and this move was borne purely out "oh shit our Amazon preorder numbers* are horrible."

*my guess

EDIT:

Also thank you for mentioning The Last of Us. I love that game. It's why I'm invested in a PS4-- Sony's exclusive developers have always appealed to me more.
371  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st on: June 19, 2013, 04:38:40 PM
I think you're underestimating the price difference.

On the one hand, it's a victory for consumer rights. On the other hand, it's clear exactly which team they're playing for and whose rights they prioritize first. It's great from a competition standpoint. You're right that the hardcore gamers are a subset, and the average dude won't care about the backpedaling or messaging, but they WILL care very much about the $100 difference in price.

As I said early, for me having only played maybe 2-3 games on my XB and XB360, I will definitely not be buying this console. They could price it the same as Sony and give me free cupcakes every time I turn it on (which, if 360 is any indication, would be once a year) and I still wouldn't want it. There is nothing in the lineup that interests me, and between the product messaging and the 360's complete dearth of RPGs (because most RPGs aren't the CoD-level jillion-selling cash-cows that Microsoft and their corporate publisher pals are desperate for) suggests to me that the case will be no different this time.

Nonetheless, them dropping some of these restrictions is absolutely a good thing, and I'm pleased that they went this route, even if it was very begrudgingly.
372  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Re: Phantasy Star Online 2 on: June 19, 2013, 04:15:37 PM
It's riyou kiyaku-- it's a use/user agreement. The rest is saying to please check and insert/enter something. I'm guessing it's asking you to check a box that says you accept the ToS.
373  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st on: June 19, 2013, 04:10:29 PM
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/415414/microsoft-to-ditch-xbox-one-drm-and-always-online-policies-say-sources/

Interesting. I'd love to see them do this. It won't affect me totally having no interest in the console (seriously, nothing in their lineup makes me want one. I played Lost Odyssey on my 360 and Phantom Dust on my original Xbox. I'm not doing this dance a third time). But even so, it would be good overall for competition for them to do this.
374  Media / The Soundroom / Re: Random VGM on: June 19, 2013, 11:31:44 AM
Dice, this penguin in your sig intrigues and pleases me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCo2MNHUmY0&list=FLSFH4c7IrIuqoV77VFrlJLg&index=12 Cryamore! Aivi Tran is awesome.

EDIT: Just realized this was already on the page. FUUU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGjfRhBXwzw Aivi and co. doing Corridors of Time.
375  Media / Miscellaneous Games / Re: Capcom's deep down on: June 19, 2013, 11:28:59 AM
That's interesting. Maybe it was more like a Luminous Engine-type thing where they were just showing off. For all the hate heaped on Capcom these days, they do come up with some pretty solid new game ideas now and then. I'm interested to see where this goes.
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