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5461  The Rest / General Discussions / The child protagonist on: August 05, 2008, 08:04:24 PM
I think it's safe to say that one thing that annoys many of us here at RPGFan are child protagonist, particularly if they're tween or early teen.  We're forgiving if they're like E.W. Hildick's McGurk, a tween-aged detective who solves kid-level crimes (like missing dolls or a stolen baseball glove) but groan when they're the sole hero saving the world.  I mean, only a 10 year old would be comfortable putting the fate of the world in the hands of another 10 year old, right?  

So where and how did this child protagonist in fantasy type media start?  
I know there are some child heroes in various world mythologies but in great epics, stories, and mythologies the hero was usually an adult.  In early RPGs, the heroes were adults.  In many fantasy novels, the protagonists are/were adults.  

And are there situations in which a child protagonist who's the sole hope of the world actually works?  
I think it works in The NeverEnding Story.  Since Fantasia is the amalgamation of childlike wonder and imagination and The Nothing is the cynicism of adulthood, it only makes sense that the champion for Fantasia, Atreyu, BE a tween boy.  NeverEnding Story wouldn't have worked had Atreyu been an adult.  And adults can still enjoy the book and movie even though the protagonist is a child.  

So let's discuss child protagonists.  What is it that's so off-putting about them to you?  Are there movies, books, video games, etc. where they work?  
In what situations would you prefer to see an adult protagonist?  In what situations would you prefer to see a child protagonist?  
Do you prefer kid heroes more when they're just being kids rather than when they're shackled with adult-level pressures and responsibilities?  
What about devices as in Roald Dahl's writing where children are the sensible ones and the adults are either idiots or ogres?
What else do you want to chime in on regarding child protagonists?

So, yeah, let's discuss.
5462  The Rest / General Discussions / The influence of the fanbase on things you like on: August 05, 2008, 07:53:15 PM
When fanboys/girls are (or think they are) smart, they can sometimes be arrogant elitists.  I had a bad experience in a MegaTen community I used to help mod because despite some cool people, many were arrogant elitist know-it-alls.  In terms of music, hard core jazzheads can be some of the most pain-in-the-ass elitist know-it-alls to deal with.    

So then the question becomes who's the more excruciating fanbase constituency to deal with?  Incoherent morons or arrogant elitists?
5463  Media / The Soundroom / Song of the Moment: 15th Anniversary Edition on: August 05, 2008, 05:38:38 PM
Song of the moment is "Debonair" by Afghan Whigs.  It's one of my favorite songs.  I think Gentlemen is a fantastic album and definitely one that can totally help a guy through the emotional roller-coaster of a bad breakup or a divorce.  

Hear me now and don't forget
I'm not the man my actions would suggest
A little boy, I'm tied to you
I fell apart
That's what I always do

This ain't about regret
My conscience can't be found
This time I won't repent
Somebody's going down

Feel it now and don't resist
This time the anger's better than the kiss
I must admit when so inclined
I tend to lose it than confront my mind

'Cause it don't bleed and it don't breathe
It's locked its jaws and now it's swallowing
It's in our heart
It's in our head
It's in our love
Baby it's in our bed

Tonight I go to hell
For what I've done to you
This ain't about regret
It's when I tell the truth

And once again the monster speaks
Reveals its face and searches for release
A little boy is tied to you
Attracted only 'til it comes unglued
5464  The Rest / General Discussions / The Nostalgia Thread. on: August 04, 2008, 09:24:24 AM
As I said before, not just oil of clove, but a collection of Dios stories would fill up many pages and people would just keep reading.  The boy's a lot younger than I yet he could write a memoir and have it be awesome.

Quote from: "Dincrest"
Speaking of Dios, why has it taken 5 pages to mention his oil of clove story?  Man, that was classic.  I was reminded of the time my suitemate freshman year in college put Tiger Balm on a pulled groin, got some of it on his sensitive areas, and was jumping around the suite like a deranged frog.  

And in the masturbation thread, I will NEVER forget Dios' claim that he sucked his own penis.  He said it took him 2 hours to get his shoulders to touch his hips so he could do it.  And I certainly hope someone quoted that scene from the movie Clerks when he told *that* story.  

Man, we could probably fill an entire nostalgia thread with Dios stories.  My personal favorite was his science project story.  It was a pretty serious one that made me say, "what the hell kind of bullshit is this?"
5465  The Rest / General Discussions / The influence of the fanbase on things you like on: August 03, 2008, 07:53:13 PM
Here's a slightly offbeat example for me.  I used to adore the band Slayer.  I mean, they were thrash pioneers who were rawer, angrier, heavier, and darker than most metal out there, until full on death metal.  In recent years I've grown to dislike them partially because of their music (later stuff ain't as good as the golden era of Reign in Blood- Divine Intervention) but also in part due to their fanbase.  In recent years I was informed that a lot of white supremacist neo-Nazis would be at Slayer shows and that REALLY soured my opinion of the band.  I didn't and still don't want to be anywhere near a band that attracts that kind of audience.  I've kinda come to grips with it in that I'll enjoy a few select Slayer CDs in the comfort and privacy of my own home (especially Reign in Blood; that CD had a huge impact on my life) but I will not be anywhere near a Slayer show.

So yeah, in that regard, a fanbase with a constituency of fuckwads still influenced my opinion of the band, perhaps unfairly so.
5466  The Rest / General Discussions / The Nostalgia Thread. on: August 03, 2008, 07:25:07 PM
Speaking of the Sephiroth avatar thing we used to do on April Fool's Day or other days, I used to use the one at the bottom here.  http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/little-princess/art2.html

It's another Little Princess: Marl Oukoku 2 av and it's of a guy who looks like a kid Sephiroth having a temper tantrum.
5467  The Rest / General Discussions / The influence of the fanbase on things you like on: August 03, 2008, 07:18:55 PM
In the anime thread, someone brought up something that I felt would be a good discussion.  
What is the influence of the fanbase on things you're into, be it a gaming franchise, a musical artist, a movie or TV series, etc?  
Do you like something then start to not like it when you notice that the general fanbase is a bunch f "retards," "morons," "fuckwads" "goddamn elitist pricks" or whatever negative perception you have towards that fanbase?  
Do you do a complete 180 and hate it?  
Do you continue to like it clandestinely but refuse to admit to it because you don't want to be associated with "those" people?  
Have any of you liked something, did a 180 because of the fanbase, then years later grew to like it again because you matured?  
Have you ever decided to not check something out because the reputation of the fanbase preceded it?  Or gone in with a bias?  
Ever gone to some sort of gathering (like a con) hoping to meet like-minded individuals who like what you do only to come away thinking "these people are creepy" and then liking that favored thing less?
What is/was it about the fanbase (or constituents therein) that you find/found so off-putting?
Are you over stupid stuff like this and if so, how'd you get over it?

I'm sure there are more points to this discussion and I'll let you the RPGFan community address those.  

Speaking purely from experience, I've been there and done that for many things.  Particularly from the ages of 18-24, I was much more sensitive to things like that and often did abandon things I liked because I didn't like the fanbase and didn't want to be associated with it.  I was also once something of an elitist fanboy for certain things.  Not proud moments, lemme tell ya.  The fanbase used to influence my perceptions on things and it's something I had to mature and grow out of.  Any others feel that way?  

So yeah, discuss the influence of the fanbase on things you like or liked.
5468  Media / Anime, TV, and Movies / Anime/Manga Journal on: August 03, 2008, 03:44:10 PM
I was at ConnectiCon this weekend and attended screenings for both Lucky Star and xxxHolic.  I went into Lucky Star because I adore the theme song, but heard the series wasn't that great.  Guess what?  I LOVED it!  We watched the dub version, but it was excellent.  So freaking funny.  

xxxHolic seemed like a cool concept and something up my alley, but I hated it.  The characters weren't likeable, I wasn't digging the art style, and I found rather dull and boring.  

I'll definitely be keeping up with Lucky Star.
5469  Media / Single-Player RPGs / The (double) posted Atlus secret on: July 31, 2008, 01:11:58 PM
Quote from: "D-Rider"
I hope they play the detective angle up a little more this time around.  Like,  fucking Sherlock Holmes with a pet succubus.  That'd probably be hard to do with a mute, but I can dream. :P


Well with being able to talk to demons again, hopefully it'll at least feel a little more investigative.  Using negotiation skills to pump demons for information would be sweet!  

I'd rather keep a pet Lilim instead.  Lilims just fuck you.  Succubi fuck & kill you.  I mean, if I needed information from a deranged mastermind on death row but my pet succubus decided to include him as a midnight snack during her flight to the local lock-up (I would think prisons are veritable buffets for succubi), that's just going to make cracking the case that much harder.

Yes Lossie-poo, I'm an old-school MegaTentist so I am very happy to see demon dialogue return.  Even though I think newer MegaTen games like DDS are excellent RPGs, I still bitch about the lack of demon chit-chat.  Persona 3 I'm more okay with since in lieu of talking to demons, I get to talk to people with a variety of personalities.

I just hope the demon dialogue is more involved like in SMT 1 or the first couple of Persona games and not the dumbed down conversations in Nocturne.
5470  The Rest / General Discussions / The Nostalgia Thread. on: July 31, 2008, 12:59:19 PM
Speaking of Dios, why has it taken 5 pages to mention his oil of clove story?  Man, that was classic.  I was reminded of the time my suitemate freshman year in college put Tiger Balm on a pulled groin, got some of it on his sensitive areas, and was jumping around the suite like a deranged frog.  

And in the masturbation thread, I will NEVER forget Dios' claim that he sucked his own penis.  He said it took him 2 hours to get his shoulders to touch his hips so he could do it.  And I certainly hope someone quoted that scene from the movie Clerks when he told *that* story.  

Man, we could probably fill an entire nostalgia thread with Dios stories.  My personal favorite was his science project story.  It was a pretty serious one that made me say, "what the hell kind of bullshit is this?"
5471  Media / General Games / The fighting game thread on: July 30, 2008, 09:20:36 PM
Anyone else digging Arcana Heart as much as I am?  Fighting fans shouldn't be fooled by the cutesy appearance.  This game has a really deep system that will kick your ass and keep hardcore fighting fans busy for days learning the system.  I'm still getting my ass kicked by the game even at the lowest difficulty settings.  Yoriko's the only character I get anywhere with.  Kamui's good too, but I'm much better with Yoriko.
5472  The Rest / General Discussions / RPGFan Gaming Journal: The Road to Infinity on: July 30, 2008, 09:13:34 PM
Hey Lossie-poo, have you played Arcana Heart for Playstation 2 at all?  I think that's a fighter right up your alley.  It has an all female character roster and actually has a deep and complex system that takes some time to work with.  It ain't quite Guilty Gear but it's a damn good 2D fighter.  

I normally prefer to play female characters as well in fighting games, but go figure in Guilty Gear X2, my favorite is Zappa.
5473  The Rest / General Discussions / Oh snap, my 2000th post! on: July 30, 2008, 08:35:38 PM
Quote from: "Raze"
Quote from: "Serene Prophet"
Alright Din, although I'm like 189 Ill take you up on your offer.  I think Din should be banned, because, if I am correct, he plays Bass Guitar, and as we all know, Bass Guitar is not a real instrument!


In his defense, Dincrest is a penguin from the planet earth. But he lives on the planet dezoris. Now think about that. That does not. Make. Sense.


I just merely wanted to say "A winner is you!" for that Chewbacca defense.
5474  Media / Single-Player RPGs / The (double) posted Atlus secret on: July 30, 2008, 05:17:28 PM
YAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!! YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!

DEMON DIALOGUE IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, that's what I loved about MegaTen in the first place and have sorely missed it!  Battle system in Kuzunoha Raidou would've been more bearable if I could've talked to demons instead of Pokeballing them.  

About time they bring back demon dialogue.  I want to talk to demons again.
5475  The Rest / General Discussions / The Nostalgia Thread. on: July 30, 2008, 05:13:43 PM
Quote from: "Adapheon"
I think there's a pictures editor curse or something because I'm pretty sure something similar happened to Evan before me.


Picture editors are like drummers in Spinal Tap.  They just randomly spontaneously combust.  I thought that's what happened to you.  

So lemme get stuff straight: you're Geo, Raze is Kefka, me am is Blademaster Dezo, who else decided to be a sneaky ninja turtle pirate and change their name?
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