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5821  The Rest / General Discussions / Wow... this is a surprise. on: October 27, 2007, 08:39:58 AM
Quote from: "MeshGearFox"


and if finding out a character is gay after the fact ruins a book series for you, you probably need to really deal with your own underlying sexual insecurities or just, in the words of Jeff Minter, "grow a pair."

Frankly, I think this doesn't have anything to do with "it's just a story!" As you keep saying. I think this is just making you uncomfortable because you're homophobic.


It's more the 'after the fact' part than the 'gay' part that's my issue.  Not the twist itself, but how she did it.  I've complained harshly about various Square-Enix games that spring some completely unnecessary, ancillary, WTF plot 'twist' out of thin air at the very end of the game that leaves a bad taste in my mouth after an otherwise generally enjoyable game.  

Recency effect- remembering the most recent thing over anything else.  Like when Zinedine Zidane capped off his career with his headbutt to that Italian player during the world cup.  Throughout his long and distinguished career, he was one of the best and most respectful, sportsmanlike players alive; a good role model.  But what's everyone going to remember about him?  The infamous headbutt and red card at the end of his career.  

Nothing against Dumbledore.  He was a great wizard and the kind of headmaster people dream of at their schools.  Although I thought Richard Harris played him far better than Ian McKellen did in the movies.  Anyone who could put up with Harry's stubborn arrogance as patiently as he did is a saint.  The whole backstory with him and Snape was pretty interesting too.  I shudder to think how Snape would've turned out without Dumbledore being such an important guiding paternal figure in his life.  

My thing is more "fuck you" to the author.  It's like when you have a band whose music you really like then you find out one of the members said/did something you didn't like and that puts a bad taste in your mouth and you start to dislike the band afterward.  That happened with me and Rush.  I used to like and respect the band, till I found out that their drummer Neil Peart once referred to Dream Theater's Mike Portnoy as a "mere bar band drummer" in a not-very-publicized context.  To one person, that's not a big deal.  To me, that made me go from respecting Neil Peart and liking the band to having no respect for the man and not wanting to listen to that band any more.  

I do not appreciate you putting words in my mouth and passing judgment on me when you don't know a damn thing about me beyond the RPGfan boards.  Any of my friends could tell you I'm the furthest thing from a homophobe.  To me, people are people.  But I am a fundiephobe, though.  Religious (and Atheist) fundies scare the living daylights out of me.  

Whatever.  I feel what I feel (silly and/or unpopular as it may be).  It is what it is.  Agree to disagree.  Sometimes the stew doesn't need that extra pinch of salt.  Etc.
5822  The Rest / General Discussions / Wow... this is a surprise. on: October 26, 2007, 11:24:49 PM
Quote from: "Lord Scottish"
I kinda think that if she wanted to address this subject in the book series, then it might have been better to address it IN THE BOOK SERIES. I know that if someone pulled a stunt like this in a book series that I am a fan of it would feel kinda awkward.


That's more what I was trying to get at.  The "oh by the way..." outside of the book was a lame move.

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Fuck you guys for making yourselves the soul deciders of what gets put into young-adult litterature.


What?  I'm just expressing my opinion/feeling.  The world/society can do whatever the hell it wants in literature for all I care.  Doesn't mean I have to like it.  And just because some youth literature is social commentary doesn't mean it all has to be.  Does every piece of literature have to push an agenda and be social commentary?   No it doesn't.  It can just be a story.  And I don't think Harry Potter was the right place to throw in some last minute thing like this.  To me, Harry Potter was just meant to be a story.  Not a means to push an agenda.

Plus, there's quite a bit of subversive social commentary in youth literature that I don't like.  For example, some youth novels that push some religious ideals and demonize others.  I don't like that.  Prime Mover- thank you so much for putting words in my mouth.  I really appreciate that (sarcasm.)  

If Rowling wants to tout her treatise on homosexuality and relationships, she can do it in another book.  Leave well enough alone with regards to Harry Potter.  

Some young adult literature is a great platform for social commentary and is made/written as such.  I don't think Harry Potter ever really was nor was it meant to be.  It wasn't a social commentary story like, say, Are You There God, It's me Margaret.  

Bottom line, I do not like this last minute revelation, I don't like the way it was "surprise revealed," and it ruined the series for me.  We can all agree to disagree, but I'm not going to apologize for or deny my god honest feelings and god honest reactions.
5823  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Overrated & Underrated (with a twist!) on: October 26, 2007, 11:15:50 PM
+1 Eusis.  Just because a game is considered overrated doesn't mean it's necessarily a bad game.  Again, I think Myst is an overrated piece of junk, yet it was one of the best selling PC games of all time; meaning that there are PLENTY of people out there who think the game is godly and that people like me just don't "get" it.  

And remember, there is a thing called individual difference.  The very things I loathe about Myst are the very things series fans think are the best parts and the whole "point" of the game.  To a Myst fan, a hater like me just doesn't "get" it.  But then I say, do I want to and do I even care?

What can I say?  I like what I like.  

But again, I still believe that it's expectations that fuel whether or not one thinks a game is overrated or not.
5824  Media / Single-Player RPGs / S-E is the King of Games on: October 26, 2007, 11:02:44 PM
Tooker- Dade actually does like MegaTen.  

As for Quest, they're responsible for the Ogre Battle and Tactics Ogre SRPGs.
5825  The Rest / General Discussions / Wow... this is a surprise. on: October 26, 2007, 02:30:30 PM
Quote from: "Fei"
A children's book is not the place to push an agenda.  


Fei's sentiment quoted above is my mom's opinion on the whole thing.  I can't disagree.  Let Harry Potter be a straightforward and imaginitive children's book series and nothing else beyond that.  Harry Potter doesn't need to be any kind of social commentary.  Save that for your next book.  Dumbledore's being gay is pointless, unnecessary, and completely ancillary within the context of the Potter universe.  

This boneheaded publicity stunt move has left a bad taste in my mouth regarding the series.  Ruined it for me.

This has been on daytime news shows, like Today, quite a bit of late.
5826  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Something to consider(about Matsuno and the ogre battle saga on: October 26, 2007, 11:30:56 AM
I can see how this is a pointless soapbox thread that doesn't encourage any sort of discussion, but please don't encourage me to go lock happy on it.  If things get out of control, I will.
5827  Media / Single-Player RPGs / S-E is the King of Games on: October 26, 2007, 11:30:02 AM
I know this thread is in response to cosapi's thread http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=3102 and it is admittedly amusing, but is it really necessary?  I mean, is this professional behavior that we as staff should be setting?  

I think this is a waste of space, but whatever.  I'm not going to lock it (not yet at least) unless things get out of control.
5828  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Xenosaga III aka How I gave up on Xenosaga II on: October 26, 2007, 11:22:34 AM
Lard- Allen is still the same voice actor; he probably just sounds somewhat different because Xenosaga 3 has a different voice director.  Even Ziggy and Jr. who had the same actors in all 3 games deliver their lines differently in all the games due to different directors.

And since Xenosaga discussions often end up talking about the voice acting since that's been a source of change/contention in the series, I'll give my own opinions on that.  

Shion- I preferred Shion's voice in 2 over 1 and 3.  Her voice in 2 was far less shrill and "nails on a chalkboard" than in 1 and 3.  

MOMO- I actually preferred her voice in 2 and 3 over 1.  She sounded less whiny and stronger/more mature.  

chaos- His voice in 2 and 3 blows his voice in 1 out of the water.  His voice in 1 sounds like something I'd hear in a high strung kid.  In 2 and 3, his deeper, calmer, more relaxing voice was much better suited for his character.  I didn't think much of him in 1 due to his voice.  But in 2 and 3 he became my favorite character in the series because of the new voice.  

KOS-MOS- is there any contest?  Her voice in 1 and 3 was awesome and her voice in 2 was godawful.
5829  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Overrated & Underrated (with a twist!) on: October 26, 2007, 11:09:48 AM
Looking besides games themselves, I can see certain aspects of games as overrated/underrated.  For example, I think the soundtracks for Xenosaga 2 and Final Fantasy X-2 are underrated.  I loved Shinji Hosoe's music in Xenosaga 2 (and I'm already a Yuki Kajiura fan).  And in Final Fantasy X-2, I'm thoroughly enjoying Eguchi's and Matsueda's music.  I was expecting horrible ear-bleedingly bad music due to what people were saying, yet I was pleasantly surprised by some really groovy tunes that made me just want to stand still in one place so I could listen to them more.  

And I wonder what is it about a game that leads it to being overrated/underrated?  Is it expectations, be they unmet or exceeded?

Because, for example, I can see how people would bluster on about how FFX-2 sucks because it's not a bombastic, world's gonna end RPG like Final Fantasy games before it.  But when taken for what it is, it's a really fun RPG.  I'm enjoying the experience more than I did with FFX (and I loved that game.)  I love the mission based gameplay and it's something I think would have made FF8 far more dynamic.  Plus how could I not enjoy playing dress up with Rikku?  She rocks.  Best character in FFX by far.  

...and Myst is still the most overrated game I can think of.
5830  The Rest / General Discussions / Game Journal #9999 on: October 26, 2007, 10:50:24 AM
I'm playing some Final Fantasy X-2.  Man, that game is so much fun and I LOVE the music.  I think X-2 and Xenosaga 2 have two of the most underrated soundtracks.  

Yeah, I'm also painfully grinding my way through a couple of Myst clones, mostly because they were cheap... and now my second reason is that I'm looking forward to trashing them in my reviews.
5831  The Rest / General Discussions / RPGFan Community Photo Thread: 2007 Edition on: October 25, 2007, 05:52:22 PM
Quote from: "D-Rider"
Nobody who can legally buy alcohol should have a Kingdom Hearts poster on their wall.


Would you rather it have been a Spongebob poster?

And in Deg's latest picture, if I were to dye his hair blond and give him a mowhawk, he'd look like my friend Skunk (a less-than-stellar guitarist in a really bad gutter punk band, but one of the coolest guys I know.) I don't think anyone knows Skunk's real name except his mom, dad, and the government.
5832  The Rest / General Discussions / Game Journal #9999 on: October 25, 2007, 05:45:25 PM
I'm playing through a couple of graphic adventure games to review for RPGfan.  One came out this year and the other is its prequel.  

They both suck donkey turd.  Then again, they are Myst clones and I hate Myst with a passion.
5833  The Rest / General Discussions / Work Stories on: October 25, 2007, 05:43:08 PM
Back to work stories, I feel the pain for all of you who work in or have worked in food service.  I worked for a month or two in my college dining hall as an undergrad and that was the absolute worst job ever.  The management treated me like cattle and the students/customers were always assholes.  

I don't care how poor I am, I'm NEVER working in food.
5834  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Xenosaga III aka How I gave up on Xenosaga II on: October 25, 2007, 11:38:06 AM
Remember, Xenosaga 3 has an extensive in-game database chronicling all the events that happened in 1, 2, and 6 months before 3.  There's also an option at the title screen to view summaries of 1 and 2 with cutscene stills.  

I went through 2 with a Gameshark, and I'm glad I did because I loved the music.  Shinji Hosoe's soundtrack is a very underrated soundtrack.
5835  Media / The Soundroom / THE TOP 107 GUITAR RIFFS =^.^= on: October 25, 2007, 10:55:55 AM
I agree that Smoke on the Water has the most overrated guitar riff of all time, but IMO it also has one of the most underrated basslines of all time.  That kickass bassline under that simple guitar riff drives, charges, and is quite up-front in the mix, yet no one even thinks twice about it.
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