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Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story
« on: July 04, 2011, 11:35:10 AM »

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I've heard Dragon Quest 9 did quite well in Europe, and don't forget the exchange rate. Nintendo make a lot more money for each game they sell in Europe as opposed to the US.

The exchange rate is not exactly a reason to not release anything. It just means profits from the US will be lower when put in yen. But, a profit is still a profit. Plus, if the games tank, losses will be smaller too. It works both ways.

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The thing is, nobody knows the reason why. We can guess or call Nintendo dopey names, but we don't really know. I mean, it's fascinating watching people playing armchair publishers, but without knowing everything Nintendo know, I think it's silly to just assume the higher ups at NoA are idiots.

There are several people here who have worked in this industry for years. We may not know exactly what big bosses at NOA know (or think they know), but a lot of other stuff is in plain view. Nearly empty releaseschedule, available translations, free advertisement...

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Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story
« on: July 04, 2011, 10:50:29 AM »
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what i want to know is how they came to the conclusion that they would be profitable in europe and not NA. it makes me think there is some external factor at play in america.

I honestly can't think of anything... Well the DS is dying fast because of R4 abuse, but that's unrelated. The PSP is doing (slightly) better in Europe than in de US, but that's unrelated too. Both regions would have a pretty empty releaseschedule without the Rainfall games. Are JRPG's doing better in Europe than US? Maybe, but I doubt the difference is huge enough to leave a release schedule nearly empty.

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Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story
« on: July 04, 2011, 05:21:55 AM »
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Euro games with five languages just don't usually seem to feel as well written as games where the sole dedicated market is North America.  Does anyone agree with that assessment?

It depends on who does what translation. More often than not, European publishers use the English translations made for the US release. They may edit it a bit to remove typo's and other mistakes, but that's all. German, French and so on translations are often added as an afterthought, unless we're talking about some big title like Assassins Creed, Halo or whatever. How the translations turns out mostly depends on the budget and the people working on it. But hey, the same can be said about American translations. Compare Chaos Wars to, I dunno, Persona 4.

Nintendo is one of the few companies crazy/ambitious enough to do two English translations. Usually both are good and the differences aren't that noticeable. Some names may be different and there stuff like 'colour' vs 'color' but that's pretty much it.

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Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story
« on: July 04, 2011, 03:25:48 AM »

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hm, you are right.  I just figured it was nintendo as a whole =p

It all goes to Nintendo in the end, yes, but if one branch does well, the other branch may get a firm talking to about its attitude. Not that some extra copies of Xenoblade and a handful of systems will have that much of an effect, but there is nothing wrong with idealism as long as no one gets hurt :D

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As someone who is a fan of RPGs, I honestly have never heard of any of these games before this thread, nor did I hear about Project Rainfall before this thread.

I dunno, our magazine gave both Xenoblade and The Last Story plenty of attention. I think both have had two previews by now. Readers are looking forward to these games too. Especially Xenoblade. We also wrote about Operation Rainfall and other announcements related to these games on our website.

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I mean it's not even enough to say, "There already exists a translation" when the fact is we aren't even fully aware of the kinds of costs that would go into localizing a game.

Uhm, yeah, NOE paying for most of the localization by providing the English translation. NOA may want to edit it to make it less British, but it's not as if they'd have to do the whole thing over. As for VA, if it sounds Britisch, they can just leave it the way it is and say it adds flavor.

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It seems silly to call Nintendo stupid when there is likely a reason. It just seems kind of silly. Especially since, as was said, an English translation does exist, so it can be imported and played for anyone who wants it that bad.

Region locks. Only a small minority will import. Since one of the ways to play import is to mod your console, most will resort to pirating the game. It's not the kind of behaviour a company like NOA should want to promote, yet they do, indirectly...

Besides, there are still plenty of publishers that invest in RPG titles. Xseed is doing Solatorobo using NOE's translation. The DS has no region lock, the game should be fairly easy to import, yet Xseed thinks it will sell and they'll probably be right.

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Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story
« on: July 03, 2011, 04:06:58 PM »
Technically, the money will come in through NOE. You're not mad at NOE, because NOE is publishing those games.

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Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story
« on: July 03, 2011, 04:44:41 AM »
Import systems look to be pretty cheap, not much more than getting one locally and that's largely because of of tariffs/shipping more than inherently being more expensive.

Yep, and now that Pandora's Tower was announced too, I'd say it may be worth it if you want to play Wii RPG's. Importing a console may seem scary, but it's really not such a big deal. The only thing you need to watch out for is the powersupply. You may need a converter. Well, of course there is also the other route... Anyway, there is no need to let region locks stop you.

BTW slightly related news: we're getting Tales of the Abyss on the 10th of November. So this is what it feels like to be an American RPGfan ^_^

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This looks really interesting. Why does everyone say the PSP is dead? If you're a fan of RPGs there are great new games coming out a lot!

Because retailers do, and that's far worse than a bunch of people being dumb online. :/

And since most video game sales still come from old-fashioned brick & mortar stores, yeah, the PSP is pretty much dead. On the other hand, this doesn't really matter to publishers that publish games with a very loyal following. It's not that unusual for games to come out on a dead system and still make a profit. That doesn't mean the system isn't dead though.

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Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story
« on: July 02, 2011, 03:06:54 AM »
While it's true that profits are down partly due to a less than strong dollar, but a profit is still a profit, even when burdened by exchange. No profit is no profit, it's as simple as that. So yeah...

Xenoblade isn't even a major investment at this point. There is already a translation and Operation Rainfall is free advertisement on a scale most companies could only dream of. Now would be the time to announce the game and get it out in time for the holidays. Before Skyward Sword, if possible.

I can only think of one reason not to do it. As a company, you don't always want to give in to customers' demands. Xenoblade is a fairly reasonable thing to ask for, but if they let Operation Rainfall be a success, more Operation Rainfalls will pop up and Nintendo will have to deal with them all. I don't think they're looking forward to that. Besides, Nintendo is old-fashioned and stubborn, even NOE. They publish games and we buy them like the good little customers we are. Skyward Sword is what's for dinner and just because the neighbour's kids are getting a fancy dessert called Xenoblade, doesn't mean you'll be getting some as well. Now shut up and finish your damn plate.


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Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story
« on: June 30, 2011, 01:07:00 PM »
It's just a question of whether Nintendo will let someone else do it.

They aren't very flexible about that either. The fact that XSeed is doing Solatarobo is kind of astonishing.

?? Solatorobo isn't a Nintendo game.  Yeah, they're publishing it in Europe, but it was originally Namco Bandai in Japan and it's developed by CyberConnect2.

There's that, but since Xseed is using NOE's translation, who knows what else they can do? It's not like Xenoblade and the Last Story were developed by Nintendo. It's kinda like Sony and the Wild Arms games. ...which Xseed also happen to publish.

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Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story
« on: June 30, 2011, 03:23:47 AM »
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I have a couple SD cards sitting around, so I'll look into it and import. I've been meaning to do this with Trace Memory II anyway. Though, how does that work. With HD, NTSC and PAL are compatible, but not with SD/ED. Would an american TV have the ability to play an SD PAL game?

I don't think you'll have a problem if you play it on a HDTV. Those things seems to be made to support both formats. Atleast the ones in Europe do. Would those sold in America be different? I dunno. Probably not.

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But talk about a "dickish response". I read page 20 before 19, and I just thought people were blowing hot air, but woah, that's just WRONG! Honestly, why would they do that? Isn't the expensive part the translation?

Advertisement is, atleast the kind/amount Nintendo feels is needed. Not that Xenoblade needs it at this point, but I bet Nintendo disagrees. They're not very flexible.

BTW I'm still looking for some NTSC U/C PS2 RPGs the like. If anyone is looking for Another Code R or another PAL game, maybe we can trade or something.

BTW2 Maybe you guys should start bugging Xseed. I have no idea if they're using NOE's translation but they are releasing Solatorobo in the US.

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Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story
« on: June 29, 2011, 01:46:58 PM »
I really don't get region locking. What are they afraid of, that more people might buy their game? OH NO! Not money!
Seriously though, I guess it probably has some crazy (or not) explanation, but until I hear a good reason for this I'm assuming it's something irrational and stupid.

The reason used to be a technological one (20+ years ago, PAL and NTSC weren't exactly compatible). Nowadays it's all about control. For instance, if you publish a game in Europe, you want Europeans to buy your version and not the one from the US. Sure, your version may be more expensive, because PAL games are more expensive in general and of course you took your sweet time bringing the  already fully translated) game over, but it's not like gamers have a choice, so who cares? You don't, because they'll be paying for your edition. Well, that isn't the nicest way to put it, but for companies like Nintendo (that are mentally stuck in 1992) that's pretty much the reason for region locks.

Sony handles it a lot better, what with the PS3 not being region locked and giving gamers the option to choose which PlayStation Store they want to shop from. They realize gamers won't import if you don't give them a good reason to. And if they do import some game that never made it to a certain continent, who cares as long as they paid for it? Plus, I'm sure they're glad they don't have to hear the 'I modded my system for imports' thing anymore. It makes fighting pirates just a tiny bit easier.

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Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story
« on: June 29, 2011, 09:56:15 AM »
Yep, and Square Enix took a liking to us as well. Lots of fancy editions for the price of a regular one. Well, of course those only exist to convince people to buy games as soon as possible, but I'm not going to complain about getting nice stuff for free. It works for them, it works for us, everyone's happy.

Anyway, having to import a game isn't so bad. It kinda makes it extra special if you have to put in some effort to get it.


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Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story
« on: June 29, 2011, 02:00:25 AM »
Wait, we (Europeans that is) are actually getting this before NA? What the? Someone in Japan must have gotten the wrong map. Either that or this game is terrible, since we usually get screwed out of the better titles (with a few notable exceptions, lets hope this is one of them).

It's great, isn't it ^_^ If Operation Rainfall fails, our 'haha, we got these games and you don't'-list will have doubled in length! Only a hundred or so RPG's to go before we're even :D


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Xseed is awesome. But to be honest, I'm just glad we've got both. Atlus makes sure we get plenty of Shin Megami Tensei, Xseed got Ys covered and in the end we get almost everything we could possibly want.

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I've only returned games that didn't work. Two games in total, both from the Game Mania. I don't shop there anymore.

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