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1471  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story on: July 08, 2011, 03:23:33 AM
They said it was someone from with NOA.

The whole thing doesn't add up though. Would Nintendo really go through that kind of a PR nightmare if they were already done?

And if the localization process was completed before E3, why not show it there? It would have been overshadowed by the Wii U, sure, but if they announce it now it will probably be crushed by the November releases. Deliberitly missing an important opportunity would mean they had anticipated some alternative, like a big backlash from fans... and that's just ridiculous.
1472  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Tales Series on: July 08, 2011, 03:13:09 AM
Hey, you should let me enjoy this tiny little victory after buying like 100 imported RPGs :P
1473  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: The NEW Game Journal on: July 07, 2011, 08:21:40 AM
White Knight Chronicles: Origins. Because I have to. It's so boring! It's not bad, just really, really repetitive. I love the idea of using a train as my base, but only being able to explore the small areas the train stops at, sucks all the fun out of exploring the world. Monster Hunter this is not.
1474  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Random and Amazing Pictures, Please! on: July 06, 2011, 02:34:18 PM
Over 1850 sealed games. Over 1850 that won't be played. That's just sad...
1475  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Tales Series on: July 06, 2011, 08:11:03 AM
Oh you doubters were all like "TALES IZ DED HEER!!!".

Fuck y'all.

Here, as in America and Canada? Yep, JRPG's are dead. Japan is more interested in this newly discovered continent called Europe. Now we get all the shiny stuff.

Guess who's getting Tales of the Abyss in November? Hint: not you :P

1476  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story on: July 05, 2011, 03:48:29 AM
You're looking for numbers, aren't you? Yeah, you're not going to get those. Even publishers can make educated guesses at best. You canīt know how well something sells until three months or so after release. There are all sorts of factors you canīt really predict.

Back to Nintendo, if fairly small companies like Atlus, Xseed and NISA can succesfully release these types of games, there is no real reason Nintendo of America canīt. They may need to do things somewhat different than usual to keep costs at a minimum. No new English translation, a smaller budget for promotion and so on. Thatīs not how NOA does things and I think that the bump in the road. Xenoblade might not make a profit if they do things they way they usually do them and NOA is stubborn, they either do things their way or donīt do them at all.
1477  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story on: July 04, 2011, 11:35:10 AM

I've heard Dragon Quest 9 did quite well in Europe, and don't forget the exchange rate. Nintendo make a lot more money for each game they sell in Europe as opposed to the US.

The exchange rate is not exactly a reason to not release anything. It just means profits from the US will be lower when put in yen. But, a profit is still a profit. Plus, if the games tank, losses will be smaller too. It works both ways.

The thing is, nobody knows the reason why. We can guess or call Nintendo dopey names, but we don't really know. I mean, it's fascinating watching people playing armchair publishers, but without knowing everything Nintendo know, I think it's silly to just assume the higher ups at NoA are idiots.

There are several people here who have worked in this industry for years. We may not know exactly what big bosses at NOA know (or think they know), but a lot of other stuff is in plain view. Nearly empty releaseschedule, available translations, free advertisement...
1478  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story on: July 04, 2011, 10:50:29 AM
what i want to know is how they came to the conclusion that they would be profitable in europe and not NA. it makes me think there is some external factor at play in america.

I honestly can't think of anything... Well the DS is dying fast because of R4 abuse, but that's unrelated. The PSP is doing (slightly) better in Europe than in de US, but that's unrelated too. Both regions would have a pretty empty releaseschedule without the Rainfall games. Are JRPG's doing better in Europe than US? Maybe, but I doubt the difference is huge enough to leave a release schedule nearly empty.
1479  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story on: July 04, 2011, 05:21:55 AM
Euro games with five languages just don't usually seem to feel as well written as games where the sole dedicated market is North America.  Does anyone agree with that assessment?

It depends on who does what translation. More often than not, European publishers use the English translations made for the US release. They may edit it a bit to remove typo's and other mistakes, but that's all. German, French and so on translations are often added as an afterthought, unless we're talking about some big title like Assassins Creed, Halo or whatever. How the translations turns out mostly depends on the budget and the people working on it. But hey, the same can be said about American translations. Compare Chaos Wars to, I dunno, Persona 4.

Nintendo is one of the few companies crazy/ambitious enough to do two English translations. Usually both are good and the differences aren't that noticeable. Some names may be different and there stuff like 'colour' vs 'color' but that's pretty much it.
1480  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story on: July 04, 2011, 03:25:48 AM

hm, you are right.  I just figured it was nintendo as a whole =p

It all goes to Nintendo in the end, yes, but if one branch does well, the other branch may get a firm talking to about its attitude. Not that some extra copies of Xenoblade and a handful of systems will have that much of an effect, but there is nothing wrong with idealism as long as no one gets hurt :D

As someone who is a fan of RPGs, I honestly have never heard of any of these games before this thread, nor did I hear about Project Rainfall before this thread.

I dunno, our magazine gave both Xenoblade and The Last Story plenty of attention. I think both have had two previews by now. Readers are looking forward to these games too. Especially Xenoblade. We also wrote about Operation Rainfall and other announcements related to these games on our website.

I mean it's not even enough to say, "There already exists a translation" when the fact is we aren't even fully aware of the kinds of costs that would go into localizing a game.

Uhm, yeah, NOE paying for most of the localization by providing the English translation. NOA may want to edit it to make it less British, but it's not as if they'd have to do the whole thing over. As for VA, if it sounds Britisch, they can just leave it the way it is and say it adds flavor.

It seems silly to call Nintendo stupid when there is likely a reason. It just seems kind of silly. Especially since, as was said, an English translation does exist, so it can be imported and played for anyone who wants it that bad.

Region locks. Only a small minority will import. Since one of the ways to play import is to mod your console, most will resort to pirating the game. It's not the kind of behaviour a company like NOA should want to promote, yet they do, indirectly...

Besides, there are still plenty of publishers that invest in RPG titles. Xseed is doing Solatorobo using NOE's translation. The DS has no region lock, the game should be fairly easy to import, yet Xseed thinks it will sell and they'll probably be right.
1481  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story on: July 03, 2011, 04:06:58 PM
Technically, the money will come in through NOE. You're not mad at NOE, because NOE is publishing those games.
1482  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story on: July 03, 2011, 04:44:41 AM
Import systems look to be pretty cheap, not much more than getting one locally and that's largely because of of tariffs/shipping more than inherently being more expensive.

Yep, and now that Pandora's Tower was announced too, I'd say it may be worth it if you want to play Wii RPG's. Importing a console may seem scary, but it's really not such a big deal. The only thing you need to watch out for is the powersupply. You may need a converter. Well, of course there is also the other route... Anyway, there is no need to let region locks stop you.

BTW slightly related news: we're getting Tales of the Abyss on the 10th of November. So this is what it feels like to be an American RPGfan ^_^
1483  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Aksys bringing over Fate/Extra (imageepoch/PSP) to NA in 2011 on: July 02, 2011, 03:41:38 PM
This looks really interesting. Why does everyone say the PSP is dead? If you're a fan of RPGs there are great new games coming out a lot!

Because retailers do, and that's far worse than a bunch of people being dumb online. :/

And since most video game sales still come from old-fashioned brick & mortar stores, yeah, the PSP is pretty much dead. On the other hand, this doesn't really matter to publishers that publish games with a very loyal following. It's not that unusual for games to come out on a dead system and still make a profit. That doesn't mean the system isn't dead though.
1484  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story on: July 02, 2011, 03:06:54 AM
While it's true that profits are down partly due to a less than strong dollar, but a profit is still a profit, even when burdened by exchange. No profit is no profit, it's as simple as that. So yeah...

Xenoblade isn't even a major investment at this point. There is already a translation and Operation Rainfall is free advertisement on a scale most companies could only dream of. Now would be the time to announce the game and get it out in time for the holidays. Before Skyward Sword, if possible.

I can only think of one reason not to do it. As a company, you don't always want to give in to customers' demands. Xenoblade is a fairly reasonable thing to ask for, but if they let Operation Rainfall be a success, more Operation Rainfalls will pop up and Nintendo will have to deal with them all. I don't think they're looking forward to that. Besides, Nintendo is old-fashioned and stubborn, even NOE. They publish games and we buy them like the good little customers we are. Skyward Sword is what's for dinner and just because the neighbour's kids are getting a fancy dessert called Xenoblade, doesn't mean you'll be getting some as well. Now shut up and finish your damn plate.

1485  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Xenoblade + The Last Story on: June 30, 2011, 01:07:00 PM
It's just a question of whether Nintendo will let someone else do it.

They aren't very flexible about that either. The fact that XSeed is doing Solatarobo is kind of astonishing.

?? Solatorobo isn't a Nintendo game.  Yeah, they're publishing it in Europe, but it was originally Namco Bandai in Japan and it's developed by CyberConnect2.

There's that, but since Xseed is using NOE's translation, who knows what else they can do? It's not like Xenoblade and the Last Story were developed by Nintendo. It's kinda like Sony and the Wild Arms games. ...which Xseed also happen to publish.
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