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1846  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon DS on: January 01, 2009, 03:35:42 PM
I spend six hours in a train to play it and I was satisfied. Crappy storyline, but great gameplay.

BTW I just finished my first online mode team "Shining Force" (my second team "Ogre Tactics" is a work in progress and will have critical hit rates of over 60% <3). Friend Code: 3437-7297-5164
1847  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Did FFVII ruin RPGs on: December 31, 2008, 07:31:24 AM
I think we more or less agreed that Final Fantasy VII had some influence in terms of presentation, but that it had more influence on the players than on the genre itself.

I also think it's insane to claim that genres and their landmarks don't affect other genres. Street Fighter II practically defined how a character should relate in statistics. It was the first time we saw a big character like E. Honda move as he should compared to a leaner character like Chun Li. That had a major effect on games as a whole.

Was that really new at that time? It seems more like common sense to me. RPGs have always had stats that match characters (IIRC this was already visible in Fire Emblem animations on the NES) Street Fighter II was just one of the first game to take advance of new hardware.
1848  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Did FFVII ruin RPGs on: December 30, 2008, 01:40:59 PM
And at the same time Street Fighter 2 did not have any impact on the RPG genre. Your point...?

If Final Fantasy VII wasn't influencial in one way or another, we wouldn't be talking about it, now would be?
1849  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Did FFVII ruin RPGs on: December 30, 2008, 03:36:08 AM
I wonder how many of the then old-school fans are still around. Most fans on forums seem to be in their late teens, early twenties and that's usually to young to have experienced that period. I know I was just old enough to gether enough money together to buy discount SNES RPG's. I didn't even know the games I liked so much were called RPG's. I remember the Final Fantasy VII commercials, but since I had never played a Final Fantasy I was more interested in Zelda: Ocarina of Time. I bought Final Fantasy VII two years after release. I'm considered one of the old-school fans, even though I wasn't really there when the shift happened.

"Graphics don't matter!"

Those people never got their argument straightened out. "Graphics don't make or break a game" or "2D is not inferior to 3D" would have made sense, because they were trying to say games didn't need (realistic) 3D graphics too be good. "Graphics don't matter" is like saying "Well, you like Final Fantasy VII's graphics? You're an idiot for liking something of no importance! Go play Lunar if you want a good RPG!" and forgetting to mention one of the reasons you like Lunar are the colourful 2D graphics.

1850  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: What are some RPGs where you play as the Villain? on: December 27, 2008, 05:11:05 PM
Suikoden III has an extra chapter that lets you play part of the game from the antagonists eyes.

In one of Vanguard Bandits paths you can switch to the Empire's side (which is evil, of course), but you still end up being the good guy.
1851  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Merry Xmass on: December 26, 2008, 04:33:45 AM
Merry Christmas!

We do a lot for other people the rest of the year and Christmas is always " family first, screw the rest!" for us. Which means we give eachother really nice presents :D

I got:
-a small sewing machine
-two kumihimo discs (tools used for Japanese braiding)
-Growlanser: Heritage of War
-Watership Down
-2000 Wii points
-Wii classic controller
-We always have or sin too (Engrish book)
-carrying case for my DS
-a hat

Fun things that happened:
-the dog left a surprise in the living room for the first time in month. My sister discovered it when she stepped in it, right during christmas dinner. It was a very watery surprise.
-Someone gave the bathroom a present. The tag read "Mom Bathroom"

Not so fun:
-Growlanser was accidently given to my brother. He was surprised, because 1. he got a Xbox 360 for Christmas and 2. he doesn't like SRPG that much. The game was given to it's rightful owner the moment after he received it. Thanks bro :)
1852  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Breath of Fire fans, got some bad news. on: December 25, 2008, 07:47:35 AM
I really like Dragon Quarter, but I think it might have helped kill the series just because it was so radically different from the rest. Had it stayed to the original BOF I-IV style things might be different today.

I doubt it. The series would have died a silent death of mediocrity. With Dragon Quarter, atleast it went out with a bang. What sucks is that Dragon Quarter had some really good and original ideas and now we will never see those developed to their full potential.
1853  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Suikoden I on PSN on: December 24, 2008, 02:01:59 PM
The UMD sold like crap in Japan, because Suikoden isn't rare at all there. They got some really cheap budget releases there, so people might as well buy the original PSone version. Europe and America: completely different story.

As to why some people would prefer a UMD over a download? Collectors like to own actual copies, even when it's just a port of a PSone game.

I wonder how the PSN releases will affect the Ebay prices. Valkyrie Profile and Final Fantasy Tactics went down after the PSone ports were released, but will a downloadable game have the same effect?
1854  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Will Final Fantasy 13 redefine Japanese RPGs again? on: December 24, 2008, 02:49:00 AM
Yeah, if people complain about the series, it's usually about the older games. Namely the first Persona's localization and the lack of Innocent Sin.
1855  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Breath of Fire fans, got some bad news. on: December 23, 2008, 09:05:37 AM
I've been expecting this for a years now, but it's sad to see it confirmed. Dragon Quarter is one of my favorite games and the other four games all had some interesting ideas. I really liked how Breath of Fire IV let you experience some events from the antagonist's point of view.
1856  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: RPG Overworlds and methods of travel. on: December 23, 2008, 07:01:33 AM
I can't think of many RPG's that actually follow that pattern. The titles that come to mind are Final Fantasy (which, IIRC, introduced airships in the first place), Lufia II and some Tales games.

Airships are cool and convenient, just like submarines. We need more subs.
1857  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Did FFVII ruin RPGs on: December 23, 2008, 03:41:34 AM
Atleast you weren't playing Aidyn Chronicles.

Hybrid Heaven was an interesting game, but what you should have been playing was Ogre Battle 64.
1858  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Did FFVII ruin RPGs on: December 22, 2008, 01:16:33 PM
People like me or my friends wouldn´t have ever bought an atlus rpg if it weren´t for our first incursion into the rpg world (this thanks to FF7),

Who says that if Final Fantasy VII had never existed you would never have discovered RPG's? Another RPG could have been your first.

Final Fantasy Mystic Quest/Mystic Quest Legend was my first RPG. It taught me I like turn-based combat, stats and killing final bosses with cure spells. Does that make it the greatest game ever, because it introduced me to genre I fell in love with? No.

Not to mention that there are plenty of Final Fantasy VII fans that refuse to play a RPG that isn't titled Final Fantasy VII.
1859  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Did FFVII ruin RPGs on: December 22, 2008, 07:19:51 AM
Again. Final Fantasy VII was released 10 years ago. It opened a window of oppurtunity back then, but can you honestly say there is any proof that Final Fantasy VII still affects RPG sales today? Final Fantasy VII was the influential RPG of its era, but we've moved on. Many fans of the genre haven't even played Final Fantasy VII!

Besides, if Final Fantasy VII hadn't been such a success, maybe another RPG would have taken it's place. There were RPG's before Final Fantasy VII was released. Even in Europe. Remember how SNES RPG's used to get extra fancy packaging? Extra large boxes, strategy guide included, maybe a map or poster... Lufia II was one of the first text-heavy games that was translated to Dutch, not even the Final Fantasy got that treatment! I've got a few of those promotional posters from 1990-1998 and practically every poster featured atleast one RPG. For instance, there's the GB one with 12 games. It's mostly filled with Mario games, Tetris and Kirby, but Mystic Quest (Seiken Densetsu) is on there too. It's one of the few games on it that's not made by Nintendo. The back of the box my SNES came in was covered in game advertisements as well, about half of 'm RPG, even though it was a Super Mario Allstars pack!

Anyway, everyone thinks there first RPG is something special. There is nothing wrong with that, but don't let it cloud your judgment. The people who started with Final Fantasy VII is one generation of many. That generation may be a bitter larger than the others (someone do a head count, please), but Final Fantasy VII isn't the alpha and omega.
1860  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Did FFVII ruin RPGs on: December 22, 2008, 05:52:44 AM
Do you honestly think that? The game is ten years old and hasn't been ported/remade yet. It's not a game that attracts new gamers anymore. Most of the more popular RPGs that are not Final Fantasy, are vastly different from the Final Fantasy series. Odin Sphere, Disgaea, Persona... Those games sold well on their own merits (and maybe some free publicity from Penny Arcade). Say Tales of Symphonia and people will think " yeah, Tales of Symphonia!"  not " Oh yeah, that Japanese RPG that had a worldmap just like Final Fantasy VII!"

Yes, only a few RPG's get the attention of casual gamers, but isn't that the same with almost every genre?
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