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Date: 3rd October 2014 Time: 16:00 EST
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1  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: New NIS announcements - Battle Princess Arcadia and Fencer Fairy F for NA on: September 19, 2014, 03:59:57 PM
Well, the verbosity and easy/repetitive nature of the battle system were my two biggest criticisms of the Ar Nosurge.  Shop conversations in particular I felt were as time consuming as any Atelier game, except in most of the Atelier games I find it more forgivable since there usually isn't much urgent happening.  Here I would literally spend hours in a shop crafting stuff and listening to conversations when there were supposed to be pressing things happening storywise.  Part of me just wanted to get on with it because I was interested in the main story, but the obsessive completionist in me would say not until I've crafted everything I can craft at that point in the game...

For what it's worth while the dive segments still have that other wordly quality to them at the same time they're probably a big more directly relevant to the events that are unfolding than in most AT games.  At least I thought so.

As far as the battle system goes maybe you should just read this.  Lots of neat ideas, but I felt it was poorly implemented.


Thanks for all the insights sir. My primary concern here was being lost without the narrative background of Ciel and Quoga ultimately. All shortcomings otherwise seem pretty forgivable. I'm going to reiterate my earlier statement that AT2 was a GOOD game. Good enough to have me highly interested in Ar Nosurge. It just wasn't a stellar experience for me or quite as good as the first.

As I re-read I realized this was beginning to really sound like I didn't like the series. The only leg I will say I blatantly thought was garbage was Quoga, which was a shame because visually and auditorially I was pretty enticed with that one.
2  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: New NIS announcements - Battle Princess Arcadia and Fencer Fairy F for NA on: September 19, 2014, 12:57:57 AM
Well I don't know what it is you didn't like about AT2 since it was my favorite in the series, but Ar Nosurge is definitely a lot more like AT2 than AT3.  Because it isn't really anything like AT3.  In fact I would say that it has less fan service/sexual innuendo than any of the AT games.

Though one thing that's unique to Ar Nosurge is the whole...meta aspect.  Like it tries to make the player feel like they're interacting with the game universe directly rather than controlling a character in some fictional setting.  That's always kind of tricky to do and I know not everyone is going to go for it.  Personally I felt Ar Nosurge did it...OK.  Could have been worse, could have been better.  It's not really something I want to see a lot of but I guess it's kind of fun once in a while.

Thanks for the hasty response Kev, sorry it took me a day to return to the thread here. (Lots o' work)

Essentially my problems with AT2 are precisely those that Dice pointed out, however to expand a bit...

The crime within the writing and dialogue for AT2 was that not only is it longwinded in execution but 90% irrelevant to the main plot. This was my problem with Escha and Logy as well. I can happily read for the better part of an hours worth of playtime. However, if that reading is neither pertenant nor entertaining it just doesn't hold my attention.

The awesome battle system became crippled in the wake of an extremely easy difficulty. Once exploited, the gameplay became so broken that I can't say I had trouble with any adversaries up to and including the final boss. In fact, I didn't even know there was a gamebreaking glitch at the end if you didn't polish off the one boss in a few rounds because I just naturally did so.

It is totally worth noting that the soundtrack and art direction I found top notch. Those saving graces kept me happily plugging to the end. The problems I have with AT2 are personal matters based on my play-style and taste in terms of writing. Had I not broke the game and if I had a greater tolerance/appreciation for "slice of life" anime I would deem the title a real winner.

On a very superficial note, I really adored AT1's cast. The main cast of 2 was a let down by comparison for me. Once again, a completely subjective matter.

3  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: New NIS announcements - Battle Princess Arcadia and Fencer Fairy F for NA on: September 17, 2014, 06:02:43 PM
I got Fairy Fencer F.  I probably won't start it till this weekend.  Not a Compile Heart fan but I'm giving them another shot cause this one looks/sounds better than their other stuff to me.

Battle Princess of Arcadias is pretty fun btw but I can understand people not liking it.  It could certainly use some polishing up but I had a good time with it.  It's more of a beat em up than an RPG.  Other than having a fantasy setting it's really not any more an RPG than Senran Kagura is.  Better than Witch and Hundred Knight imo.

While I only essentially sampled Arcadias knowing full well I wasn't going to delve in and finish it (was playing shadow hearts at the time) I loved the first 4-5 hours I played. Minus how brutal the very beginning was (Dincrests review sums up my feelings about it perfectly), I felt like they had a pretty unique gem there with Arcadia. I expected an Odin Sphere clone and what I got felt very fresh to the point of, dare I say, original.

I'm interested, but Ar Nosurge is much higher on my interest list than this, so I'll eventually get Fairy Fencer F, but I'm definitely getting Ar Nosurge next week.

Now that one I'm really torn on. Loved Ar Tonelico 1. Found AT2 to be pretty "meh". Hated 3 so much I couldn't play it (pretty rare for me). So being that I sat out on Quoga and know nothing of Ciel Nosurge I just don't know if I should/can  jump into Ar Nosurge. I'm gonna hold off and see how other people who are pretty in the dark about the series respond to it. I'm hoping the narrative works in a relatively "standalone" type fashion so I can enjoy it though because it sure does look appealing.

NOTE: I have a funny feeling Kevadu could advise as to whether I can jump in and enjoy Ar Nosurge or not *hint hint*
4  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: New NIS announcements - Battle Princess Arcadia and Fencer Fairy F for NA on: September 16, 2014, 05:24:55 PM
So I'm reading/hearing some "not so terrible" impressions of Fairy Fencer F. Anybody picking this up?? I was highly considering it myself (once I finish Xillia 2) and the positive remarks I've been hearing about the soundtrack and over-all production value are swaying me.

I'm just not sure if I am ready/willing to play through another Hyperdimension title yet. LoL

What concerns me the most is the fact that I hear the game is pretty easy. Easy + turn based combat + lighthearted anime narrative = boredom for me. 
5  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed on: September 16, 2014, 05:11:27 PM
Those figures are beautiful! It was really the Milla and Ludger figures that sold me on Xilla CE's and now I can clearly see I WILL NOT be able to quell my desire to procure those gems as well. I could have bought a PS4 with the amount of coin I've invested in Tales extras at this point. I've gotten good at "just saying no" to the NISA crap but Tales gets me to open my wallet every time!!!!

6  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed on: September 15, 2014, 04:33:03 PM
Double posting on account of the fact that I am speaking on an entirely different subject.

THE END OF CHAPTER 10  WAS "GIVE ME GOOSEBUMPS" QUALITY- COOL!!!!

The end
7  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: What's the haps? on: September 14, 2014, 05:16:36 PM
Burnt the fuck out of my hand when a styrofoam coffee cup I was holding cracked and blew up.

I just healed a burn across half my neck as a result of the same thing!!! I like my coffee black and HOT HOT HOT (I microwave it after its brewed), so the burn was no joke.

You have this Ninja's sympathies sir.
8  Media / Anime, TV, and Movies / Re: Anime/Manga Journal on: September 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
"One Piece" was always something I really wanted to get into but the size of it intimidates the hell out of me.

Just decided to start "D-Gray Man" (wanted to years after learning of it) and even that intimidates me. I'm a 12-26 episode kinda guy. Despite my love of epic RPG's I have commitment issues when it comes to other media. Then again, I DID manage Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and then GT last year so I suppose I can muster the dedication when the mood strikes me.

On the D-Gay Man: So far so good. Really love the autumn/halloween appropriate tone. Not so thrilled with the dub (voice actors) but I sort of expected that.
9  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: September 13, 2014, 05:19:29 PM
decided to play some borderlands 2 today so as to A) not lose my interest entirely while playing xillia 2 and B) enjoy Xillia 2 all the more when I get back to it tonite/tomorrow.

I just discovered the whole "gearbox shift code" thing.

Stuff like this ^^ happens all the time. That is, I discover some interconnected community/network features or options that I never knew existed despite the many hours I've spent with a title.

It reminded how much gaming has evolved and how behind the times I am. To me gaming is still " put game in system and play" and totally forget about the fact that it has evolved to encompass so much more than I know or understand. To me DLC is still cutting edge crap. I sort of feel constantly in the dark and like I am not taking full advantage of the functionality of the hardware at my disposal.

In other news, I just realized Fairy Fencer F is right around the bend. I'm sort of torn on whether or not I'm gonna hop on board for that one. At first I was excited for it but everything I've learned about it since has seemed pretty underwhelming.
10  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed on: September 13, 2014, 03:36:52 PM
Ludger takes on a whole new personality for me when I dress him like this:

That is why I love the attachments/costumes Xillia offers so much. It really gives you a sense that your characters are far more individualized than in most JRPG's. I just wish they did a better job at keeping them on the character models instead of floating all over the freakin' place while your moving about. I personally keep putting the headphones on Leia and making them pink because I feel like it is appropriate for some reason.

Pro "dress-up" tip
-Hair Attachments/Ponytail (DLC)+ hat style hair+ glasses (any type)+ any alternate outfit= a damn near perfect formula for an entirely different MC

Got my eye on both the Ruca and Sheena costumes next! LoL

Additonally some favorites of mine at the moment
-Aviators on Alvin+ xillia 1 outfit and hair
-Angry glasses on Elize + Elles backpack + Cat hairpin + alt. color costume (the angry glasses on Elize are key!!!)
11  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: What's the haps? on: September 12, 2014, 04:10:41 PM
I've been a bit gloomy the last few days and trying to work out of a small rut between friends and family and some other pressures.

My BFF moved away; and as someone with only a small group of peeps I hang with, this has made me pretty damn sad.
You know how it is, it's fine and fun to have "alone time", but a whole other thing to be "lonely"; and I'm kinda scared of that.  So that's bad.

Anyways.  I've been back at the gym in full swing and feel a lot better with that going down.  A lot less self-loathing and more "Hey, I look better naked lately".  So that's good!

The thing about increasing "alone" time (I've found) is feeling lonely is just a necessary phase of a very healthy process. At this point in my life I don't view the emotion as loneliness so much as a segway into getting to know myself better. The "loneliness" if you will, is merely apprehension at the onset of having a golden opportunity to rediscover and delve further into things that I truly value.

I actually rediscovered my love of gaming and anime after being crushed by the end of a seriously relationship years ago. Thing was, I was with the girl so long I'd forgotten how much my tastes had become altered. I didn't purposely give up things I cared about for her it just naturally happened.

One of the most profound things anyone ever said to me on the subject was "Loneliness, discomfort and being ill at ease with yourself alone is just the feeling of personal progress and evolution. Don't fear it, for it marks the potential for growth."

^^ I don't know if that helps you at all Ms. Dice but it helped me a great deal. I don't like hearing people I deem awesome are sad, so I wish you well. For what its worth someone in Notheast Pennsyl-tucky here is hoping you smile :)
12  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: September 12, 2014, 03:58:29 PM
@ Mesh. I totally hear ya on the autumn thing sir. I picked Dragon's Crown up again not too long ago for that very reason. Something about Sword and Sorcery, D&D and beat em ups remind me of the fall. To expand, the Ninja Tutles, D-Gray Man, and loads of halloween specials also "fit" this time of year for me.

However, as of late I've nothing to report aside from being Xillia 2 obsessed. Grinding for money to buy chips to buy costumes today a bit because poker is useless. And on that note Ludger's gambler costume is freaking ugly.

I am certain now the optional content has effectively rendered this game damn near broken on moderate. I may have to creep it up to "hard".
13  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: September 12, 2014, 03:38:37 PM
I find it somewhat dubious that the "New 3DS" will fly off the shelves.

Majora's Mask remake exclusive for the New 3DS could be a start.

If they really wanted the system to sell, they'd make the new Ruby&Sapphire remakes exclusive to it.

If they really really wanted to sell systems they would make it so I could hook it up to my tv. How cool would the new model be with audio video out and a little button to change display from screen to screen on the fly?

Ohkay ok, I'll take it without the display switch function. Just let me play Dragon Quest 4-6 on my TV already dammit!

Lets be honest though, if Nintendo's aim was strictly sales and to increase profits there are a TON of logical ways they could increase fan-base and interest. I do have a certain respect for any company that shoots themselves in the foot economically to make a product the way they want but in Nintendo's case it seems to yield products that are less appealing to fans which is what really baffles me. Between ports that could be available, functionality, new designs for hardware, 3rd party support, ad infinitum... Nintendo could really "fan the flames" in terms of sales and interest if they wanted. 

NOTE: Yes, I sound like a broken record about this functionality (the TV out thing) and have been wishing for it (vocally within these forums) for years. And no, I will not stop.

Seriously though, at this point, methods for playing DS and 3DS titles IS NOT far fetched.
14  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: September 11, 2014, 01:33:21 PM
I came here to talk about the gorgeous looking 3ds model that has me reeling with jealousy toward those, unlike I, who can enjoy a handheld. Seriously, that has to be the coolest LE model system I've yet to see. The drawback is obviously no game which is such a joke. I mean who the hell is gonna shell out 200 for that and NOT buy the game? I call shenanigans.

What I am leaving with? An itch to play Lufia 2... (thanks Aeolus!) LoL
15  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed on: September 11, 2014, 01:24:38 PM
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I hate that.  As much as I like Ludger, he's clearly the poster child of any party you'd make.  I remember loving Graces because just about *any* party member was a blast to play as.  But if fusions are powerful and Sore-eh is OP for it....well, shucks.

That's why I already miss Xillia: being able to switch members mid-battle made the whole team important. Turns out you're going to need more healing items in a tough boss battle? Just switch in Leia. Plus, I liked many of the battle styles.

I think I prefer Tales games with small parties. Six people and a (playable) mascot is perfect. It ensures there's enough time for everyone to interact with everyone. When there's 8-9 members, like in Symphonia and Xillia 2, interaction is spread too thin.

I LOVED playing Hubert in Graces F. Richard however was one of my favorite cast members and his gameplay felt pretty stiff in comparison to most.

As far as Xillia 1 is concerned, it was really refreshing switching between Jude, Alvin and Milla for me. That being said I will still take the Xillia 2 gameplay over 1. Just "feels" better to me in 2 (tighter, faster).

What I don't like about 2? Well, I am pretty surprised at how easily you can sort of pull off cop-out strategies here. Trouble at a boss? Out of items??? NO PROBLEM! Free Run your ass off, MORPHIN' TIME, rinse repeat and you'll be fine in a lot of cases. The difficulty in this game seems damn-near perfect to me without the transformation mechanic. That is really my only gripe.

^^ This bias is probably influenced by the fact that I think Ludger morphing using a pocket watch is just TOO "typical shonen stupid" for my taste.
I know this is off-topic, but why are you guys down on Shining Resonance?

I love the way the art direction looks for that game. I'd deem it the most appealing looking thing I can think of that will probably never get localized. Then again, I am really not "in the know" in terms of its chances. I mean it DOES stand the "late in a systems life cycle" chance of making it to the west right?
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