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31  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Squeenix' best surprise EVER!! (Adv. of Mana) on: July 04, 2016, 05:07:52 AM


TL;DR: We got a game, and I'm shocked.

Ya know, I'm ALWAYS too longwinded. That pretty much sums up the whole enchilada for me as well. Here's hoping for dawn of a new era (where we get the games we want).




That said, the bigger surprise for me was seeing Romancing SaGa 2 getting localized after 23 years and a number of failed or unfinished attempts at a fanslation (and rumor has it that it too will have its Vita version localized; though don't take anything from this yet as this is rather unsubstantiated).

Yea, Romancing Saga 2 and 3 for that matter were always really tempting offerings for me. I had the import of 3 for the SF as a kid and tried to play with a translation FAQ I printed in my school library. That didn't go well. Plus I was forbidden from using the school library printer afterwards for obvious reasons (page volume, ink, non-academic whoring out use of school tech). A Vita-TV compatible variety of either of those games would be nothing short of fulfilling a life goal for me.
32  Media / Game Journals / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: July 03, 2016, 05:23:27 AM
@Klyde:

I think you might need to talk to Bud and/or Lisa for a hint?


Yup, did that. Pointed me toward Gaeus on the highway. Gaeus claims he suggested going to see the "Selkie" (Sp?) and here is where I hiccup. Problem is, I vaguely remember the name/term being tossed around but I swear I've yet to encounter it/them. I checked my encyclopedia's in game and not one entry makes mention so I assume I haven't stumbled across where I need to go yet.

Cool part about this game is how much I could tend to and accomplish in the meantime without getting hung up on the lil' cactus quest. Under normal circumstances I'd be tempted to fish for hints from you guys or check a faq eventually but this game gives me plenty of content to satiate me whilst exploring with that on in the back of my mind.

My other thought is that it is the race of someone I've encountered before so I'm going to make my rounds and hit up locals I've visited, that will without doubt unlock even more stuff for me to do.
33  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Squeenix' best surprise EVER!! (Adv. of Mana) on: July 03, 2016, 05:01:51 AM
Just saw the news article on the front page from earlier this week that detailed, without a word of warning, the Adventures of Mana PSVita Port localization.

This is huge for me.

I am presently playing Legend of Mana and I'd be lying if I didn't say the franchise was amongst my absolute favorites. I never thought we'd see the Vita incarnation of this Adv. remake in english unless some ambitious fans took it upon themselves to turn it into a "project".

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Now that I've addressed that I want to complain in a first world fashion for a moment. Ok, here goes..

WHY THE DEVIL DID YOU DO THIS TO ME NOW SQUARE!!! YOOUUUU JUST HAAAAD TO WAIT TIL I CRIPPLED MY WALLET DURING THE SUMMER STEAM SALE AND LINED UP THE NEXT ODD 2 YEARS OF BACKLOGGERY FOR MYSELF TO DROP THIS BOMB DIDJA!??? Well I'll tell ya one thing, the excessive CAPS are warranted as the symphonic hype and overload I feel is emotionally compromising right now, FER REEEEEAAALZZZ! ----(ok I'm done, back on point)

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So the this thread is to lament our wallets if you are in fact in the same boat as me, celebrate the release and of course provide any hands on experience anyone might have had with the port. I'm super curious to hear if this another Mana-dud or if we really got a sprinkle of Seiken-tastic magic here.
34  Media / Game Journals / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: July 02, 2016, 04:04:10 AM

Also for the love of god, don't sell your weapons until you have 15+ types since one of the masters requires that you have 15 different types of weapons.

Man, you having mentioned this reminded me of just how many masters I missed or screwed up getting. Playing blind without a guide, I can't imagine anyone actually having the patience to find some of them.

Now speaking of missing out on stuff

LEGEND OF MANA/ Good golly I sure wish I could find my lil' cactus. Pretty sure he is somewhere I haven't opened up yet/explored cause Gaeus direction suggested he went to find someone I didn't recognize. This sucks because in the process of looking I'm completing more quests I can't report to the little rascal!

The good news is, looking for the cactus prompted me into exploring lands and placing more artifacts. Of particular note is the Midas Ruins for the soundtrack, atmosphere, and strange design. Seriously, the dungeon that is the whole of the Ruins is like half a dev's scrapped plans and one whacko programmers obtuse idea of a "puzzle" (both of which I suspect got fired). Yet, somehow, the local still drips enough Mana-quality charm to make it journal worthy here.

Also, I LOVE Watts in this game. Hands down, best Watts incarnation going. End of story. "Under a great.... helm???"

Side note: It is amazing how the knives make this game feel like you are totally playing SD3 as hawkeye. I wasn't using them before but now that I've connected those dots they are firmly in rotation with the Gloves (for Hp bonus at level), the Bow (unique gameplay), the Spear (skill level up) and 2H Axe (power level up, and I never use axes thus NEW)
35  Media / Game Journals / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: July 01, 2016, 03:06:28 AM
Thanks for that, Klyde.  Is that Controller Companion just a bit of software?  I don't have a 360 controller so I'm not sure how much it's worth it for me to go through all this to get any one of my 7-8 year old DS3s tied to my laptop.

Just software, you don't need an xbox controller as those are in essence just xinput devices as far as your computer and this program are concerned.

Lets say you had a 10 buckaroo logitech gamepad and switched her over to "X" either by way of the gamepad or through devices on your com. Well then this program would be helpful to you because with it not only can you remap everything for your game but you can also have mapping to use the controller as an interface to replace mouse and keyboard function.

Now getting a DS3 to work with your labtop is a different story entirely. But don't think it difficult. Its only intimidating because various idiots across the net have made it seem like it is. The mayflash device I linked to is how you do it most simply. You just plug it in, that it.

Alternately, the more cost effective (free) avenue requires a couple steps but should also not take more then 5 minutes. 10 if you need to really pour over this tutorial for the first time --

http://www.hardcoreware.net/how-to-use-a-ps3-controller-in-windows-8/

Mind you, some folks have difficulty with the motionjoy software which is why I highly recomend just spending 15 bucks on the mayflash adapter if ever that is truly your aim.

If ever you really want to get picky with this crapola and are lost though my friend let me know ahead of schedule and I'd be happy to make myself available to help get whatever peripheral you do have working how you want it to.

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Renowned Explorers/ The game is deceptive. At face value, you'd never take it to have the strategic depth it does. Utilizing moods and attitudes as a means stat buffs/penalties is as amusing as it is brilliant.

I went to Mali and was nearly insulted out of a tribal, third world, witch doctors treasure. All that after pacifying some wild hyenna via some friendly tactics.

Then in an old medieval castle in hungary I scared the pants off some occultists until they posed no threat.

Best of all it felt like I was playing xcom the whole time.  (I'm not saying the game is LIKE Xcom. It simply scratches the same itch.)

speaking of BoF III.  The difficult spikes are really frustrating me.  I've been cruising along slightly ahead of the curve when out of nowhere on the other side of Mt. Boumore there are Orcs that take half your hp in one swipe.  So when there are 2 of them (and there are often 2 of them) suddenly half of your 2 person party is wiped out before you even get to act.

I'm 6 hours in and have already spent an hour of it grinding... I'm not looking forward to MORE.  As rote as this plotline is (and as fantastic as IV and DQ's are) I'm a bit confused over why this game is held in such high regard within the series.

I just played BOF3 a year or two ago and I'll lend one piece of critical advice. There is NO NEED to grind if you begin taking advantage of battle formations and masters. Damn near everything within the main plot is totally doable if you use the formation with Ryu in the lead/front with massive attack boost (I forget the name of the formation) and utilize obvious/logical support characters behind him. Couple that formation with every available form of attack buff and watch EVERYTHING drop without much effort.

As for the praise the title recieved? Well look where 3 came from.... That is, fans had BOF1 and 2 on SNES and then 3 came along with all its lov-er-lee presentation. I think that is where it fostered a good rep. I contend though, while I enjoyed my time with the lass, I can't defend her. She doesn't hold up so hot nowa'days. In truth, I am shallow gamer and enjoyed it strictly for the eye candy and atmosphere.
36  Media / Game Journals / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: June 30, 2016, 04:36:47 AM
This might sound weird but I think it's increasing the amount my eyes have to move to such an extent that it's giving me really bad eyestrain and making me unable to follow the text. I AM really curious if the writing's kind of bonkers in the original language though.


Ya know, I too play everything on large monitors in dark environments and sit entirely too close. I also have a terribly hard time following on screen text in some titles. I never connected the dots here. The situation has had me seriously questioning my comprehension at points until I'd pick up a book and confirm I can still read. Now I suppose I need only question my profound tendency to be ignorant to the obscenely obvious.

Grand Kingdom looks so darn beautiful.

I will second that. That game is a sure-fire purchase for me in the distant future (very distant given my present library) based on aesthetic alone. I noticed a translation patch exists for Grand Knights History for the PSP and looking at that alone was enough to entice me for Kingdom.

Also, I feel like a fool Arvis. I new to re-address the PC peripheral inquiry from the other day as I TOTALLY forgot another solution that may be worth keeping in your back-pocket should the need arise in the future.

Now, your specific inquiry aside I HIGHLY SUGGEST CHECKING THIS OUT IF ANYONE OF YOU HAVE ANY DESIRE FOR GREATER FUNCTIONALITY OF CONTROLLERS/GAMEPADS on PC's or with steam. This is essentially all the versatility of the steam controller at a much lower pricepoint (if you want to look at it like that) and it is far more user friendly than the SC.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/367670/

Now, if you want to make sure you have an optimum experience no matter what you are playing. Have the DS4 utility I listed the other day, ^^^ this handy little utility here and an xinput controller of some sort and finally finish the ensemble with a gaming mouse and steam controller and you effectively never have to worry about having  "the best" controller for your game ever again.

Finally I have one additional note for those with extra PS3 Dual Shock 3 controllers sitting around.

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-Wireless-PS3-Controller-Adapter/dp/B00DSFW5MA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467275638&sr=8-1&keywords=ps3+controller+pc+adapter

^^^ That device is literally plug n' play tech for your DS3. Makes it IMMEDIATELY recognized by windows and works just as you'd expect the 360 controller too. The only drawback is the inability (without some serious workaround) to remap the d-pad and analog.

Ok, I'm done. Sorry folks. I'm really passionate about having the right controller in my hands.

EDIT: I should note that there are innumerable options/workarounds/set-ups/utilities for PC peripherals and compatability thereof. The suggestions I've listed are those I've had nothing but success with, all without laborious configurations, driver necessities/conflicts or troubleshooting. I'm saying this because you can seriously run into some headaches when addressing this if you opt for some of the other various solutions floating around.

37  Media / Game Journals / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: June 29, 2016, 04:15:05 AM
The dualshock 4 stuff can be found here http://ds4windows.com/

*Explodes*

Thank you. I have a couple games (mostly dotEMU ports) that could really use a controller with a d-pad, but won't support my PS4 or Saturn-style USB controllers. And what I used before hasn't been updated in years, and won't work on quad-cores. That should be a big help. Garou, here I come!


Enjoy! I shared the elation when I discovered that program for the d-pad specifically. Coolest part is how easily the UI gives you total control of custom mapping.

PRO TIP: if you get your hands on a dead DS4 with which the only problem is the analog, you can disable it with that program and still use it strictly with the D-Pad as a dedicated PC controller (2 buddies had DS4 controllers they didn't want that I now make perfect use of on 2 seperate PC's)

IN MY WORLD OF GAMING Finally calmed down after having set up the new PC and realized I needed to narrow my "now playing" focus. It was time to cut the fat and make some hard choices (omit games from my rotation that are not presently holding my interest).

I've recently been obtaining and trying a TON of new games with the PC and I'm just too stoked to move on to new exciting prospects. The long and the short of it? The ONLY two I'm keeping in present rotation are Legend of Mana and Renowned Explorers. Can't drop either, love em both and they got me by the nardicles if ever media has.

38  Media / Game Journals / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: June 28, 2016, 03:37:04 AM


3. I don't know. Fallout 1 was about 15 hours long and didn't overstay it's welcome at all. I've spent at least six hours on FO3 -- around half of FO1's total playtime -- and done all of two quests outside of the starting town (one of which broke. See above!), and it's already starting to feel kind of repetitive.

Excellent point. I didn't start to hate fallout 4 until about hour 20 or so. Heck I may have even loved it if it was condensed and ended by the 15 mark. Timeframe aside (and I've posted plenty about this already so I'll be brief) the cardinal sin of Fallout is that I can think of NO OTHER game that so aggressively disrupts my ambition to progress and utilize my time productively.

Also, heading back to your last post Mesh... ***REWIND***

I think you can save Gilbert at some point. If you want to. Also I THINK the cactus diaries carry over in New Game+

Unrelated question: Is there some RPG that has... a character or an empire named Bairados or Beirados or something like that?


Thank you so much for the Cactus diary tidbit. I feel ok about screwing up now.

And your naming inquiry drove me bonkers because I knew there was a Balbados in something but couldn't remember where. Shamed to admit it but I threw in the towel and googled it for my own sanity and the Balbados (at least the one I was trying to recall) was an inventor in Star Ocean 3.

Can't you USB a controller instead? I believe the game has full controller support.

My USB controller doesn't seem to want to work with Stardew Valley even though it has worked with every other Steam game that has gamepad support.

It's fine, the $10 mouse I just ordered will do the job.

If you have a PS4 you can try out your dualshock 4 for not cost/effort with use of a simple program. I suggest this because I had the same hiccup and the DS4 worked like a charm.

Also worth noting, although this might be obvious, some controllers are recognized differently depending on what you have them set up to be recognized as through "Device Manager" on windows. I've had this happen too. In other words, (example) the game wants an X BoX controller, which you have but in device manager it is set to be recognized as a generic gamepad (or vice versa).

The dualshock 4 stuff can be found here http://ds4windows.com/

Last note, FYI for the future. The steam controller works with literally everything (so long as your willing to screw with it) through steam. If you are interested in a super unique compatible peripheral I highly suggest it. Although be forwarned, I hated the steam controller for like 2-3 weeks until I got used to it. Now I couldn't imagine steam without it to be honest.

 
39  Media / Game Journals / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: June 25, 2016, 02:08:02 AM

Anyone buy anything good on the Steam Summer Sale, yet?  I bought Stardew Valley and am a few minutes from starting it up for the first time.

Taking opportunity to praise PC game sales. The lovely community model of steam/valve allows clients of mine to now tip me with crap on my wishlist. Being a Sony kid up until present this is new and awesome for me.

I just got the gaming PC up and running 2 weeks ago and already have waaaaaaaaay more titles on it than I do console. Long term cost effective gaming is apparently a major appeal of steam/gog/origin et cetera, that totally eluded me.

But to the point, steam summer sale specifically....
-Ys Origins, Ark, and Oath
-Pillars of Eternity 2
-Freedom World
-Valdis Story
-Incitement 3 (1 and 2 included)
-All the Endless Legends expansions and DLC
-Van Helsing
-Battleblock Theatre

In other news.

LEGEND OF MANA/ I was happy to see Gilbert's rocky fate (hahaha, see what I did there?) as I have a degree of contempt for hopeless romantics. Then it was back to the junk-heap thanks to my cactus' shenanigans. Pretty sure my sequence of reporting in to the cactus got screwed up now since he wasn't there until after I finished the broom quest-line which then negated my ability to report what I finished prior. --- Please no one tell me how bad this screws things up (if it in fact does) as I will become discouraged. I would prefer to maintain ignorance in the matter. I sort of went into this game knowing full well I was going to miss content playing blind anyhow (the game sort of doesn't leave you much chance NOT to miss things with your first playthrough it seems).

EDIT__ I have my PC hooked up to a 40 inch Samsung monitor. I sit roughly 3-4 foot away (just enough for field of vision) in a theatre-like set-up. At the expense of burning out my eyeballs eventually, this is EXACTLY how I dreamed of playing the Ys games since I discovered them years ago. My attempts at various means of upscaling since then have always left something to be desired.

Long story short. ^^ this set-up + Ys on steam = a 1080'progressive dream come true for me.
40  Media / Game Journals / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: June 24, 2016, 01:42:30 AM
Shadow Hearts is frustrating and I hate it think it's pretty average. Still going to keep playing though...

This plus your review on The Last Story (plus your reviews on about a half dozen other games I love) has led me to believe that we enjoy games for VERY different reasons...

The judgement ring is bar-none the best battle system in a turn based JRPG

edit: I'm interested to know what it is about SH that you find frustrating?

I gotta side with Andrew on this one. I just played Shadow Hearts last year and it was a bitter sweet experience for me. Presentation and atmosphere were wonderful. Virtually everything else DID frustrate the sin out of me. That being the case, the pros more then made up for cons and I did see it through to the end.

As for the judgement ring mechanic itself, I can't call it anything other than polarizing. It keeps you more engaged than you typically feel in turn based gameplay which is great. However, doing so with a mechanic that relies so heavily on rhythym-esque timing execution may not be everyone's cup o' tea. I personally suffered more agony than joy as a result of the ring but I also have hated rhythym based gameplay since the dawn of guitar hero.

The last point
I remember SH:C's font being /really/ hard to read on my old TV :S

EVERYTHING WAS HARD TO SEE!!!!! Various visual design choices hurt my eyeballs. (Subjective matter)

ETERNAL EDEN/ Finished it up Klyde did. Sadly I don't feel as positive about my experience with the ending as I did the journey. There is a terribly obvious and unforgivable means of sequence breaking the last hour or two. Thing is, doing so yields out of place text, dialogue, events et cetera that should not trigger yet. What is worse yet is the fact that the pay off nullifies any chance of even the slightest difficulty for your final confrontations.

In short my final verdict on Eternal Eden is as such. Beautiful and charming journey that had the potential to yield magic lost with the SNES era but is FAR too casual and broken to ever realize such possibilities. The unforgivable mess of an ending needs to be viewed as seperate from the rest of the experience to appropriately appreciate the title, which is a shame. That isn't to say the game isn't worth the time. The ending and shortcomings only account for a fraction of the experience they just happen to be too damning to ignore when discussing my experience.
41  Media / Game Journals / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: June 22, 2016, 11:36:32 PM
Dude, Platinum's are to celebrated. I don't care whether you are a trophy hunter or not. And even if one is of the persuasion that "they don't play for achievements and could care less", a plat in an RPG such as DAI is to uber-commendable.

42  Media / Game Journals / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: June 14, 2016, 07:30:03 AM

RENOWNED EXPLORERS

You've got a fancy gaming PC and the first thing you do is play a Dutch indie game? That is awesome :D

Here's a fun fact: Renowned Explorers: International Society is an acronym. 'Reis' means 'journey' in Dutch.

I couldn't help myself!! I was eye-balling how cool RE:IS looked for a minute! It was part of what prompted me to want a new PC to be honest. The old gal' I was playing on couldn't even handle that so I said to myself "Gee, maybe its time I look into new hardware"... Not one to half-commit, I figured "ahhhh screw it" if I'm gonna do this I might as well do it proper, hence the gaming pc.

Anyhoo thanks a bunch for the REIS tidbit. I love that type of thing ;)



I don't recall anything involving the Jumi Questline locking you out of anything. And yeah, pretty much everything involving Niccolo ends with somebody getting PO'd by his antics, not that it really affects anything since its played for comedy. Of course, for all of mine and Mesh's bitching about Gato, Niccolo's best quest occurs there.

Vital info appreciated as always. As for Niccolo, something about him I find very unlikable. Not in a "poor character design" sort of way but more of a "I just don't like him" type of way. So in this instance I'm gonna side with the fairy.
43  Media / Game Journals / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: June 13, 2016, 10:55:31 PM
So then, has Klyde dropped Legend of Mana yet?

Nah, not even close. Quite the opposite actually. I was TRYING to hold off on picking it up until I finished some other stuff and got my feet wet with the PC but couldn't curb my enthusiasm for Mana no matter how hard I tried. There isn't a snowballs chance in hell of me dropping this. I assumed anything that effectively got me to put down Dark Souls won't be out of rotation til the credits rolled but I've confirmed it now. I have a brand new computer and a steam library of amazing titles I've wanted to get to for sometime and even with that on deck LoM still seems to me to be exactly what I want right now..... Ok I'm lying, LoM has been what I wanted to play for like 2 years now, I'm just horrible at A) Abandoning a game/agenda for something else B) Giving myself what I want instead of what I think I should have.

LEGEND OF MANA/ I'm laying out everything and exploring/re-exploring each area before I talk to Elazul or do anything Jumi-related, as that seems intuitively what I should do at present. Started my coral (love the pet system) and gathered me some berries with Niccolo last night. Something tells me my berry picking may have displeased a fairy.

ETERNAL EDEN/ Pretty sure I'm approaching some serious plot folks. End-game beginnings. I'm happy to report that in spite of some really poor writing here and there the story itself (and pacing there of) has totally kept me hooked. Pretty sure I broke this game though. I don't think it is intended to be approached as seriously as I have played it. I feel like I undermined the difficulty entirely at this point.

RENOWNED EXPLORERS/ I had to try something out on the new PC and I don't think I could have picked better. This game makes for an obscenely charming pick up and play title to go along with my main gaming endeavors ATM. What makes it great is how streamlined yet engaging all the strategy elements prove to be. Tons of systems and management to take advantage off but it ALL MAKES SENSE (this is huge) through a super friendly UI.

I'll comment more on this as I spend more time with it.
44  Media / Game Journals / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: June 12, 2016, 09:39:57 PM
I've been absent for a week because I finally took the plunge into PC gaming. This is entirely new to me and the first time I ever owned a computer capable of running anything.

With no know-how or experience, the last 5-6 days have been spent figuring out the finer points of all this. Mind you, this computer was built part by part and also required a fair amount of me learning/playing around with things I knew quite literally NOTHING about beforehand.

Thankfully this was due to the kindness and guidance of one of my clients, without whom I may never have considered the endeavor.

Long and the short of it, I sit a week later with a new toy I'm super proud of but I'm TOTALLY GAME STARVED (didn't actually get to playing much of anything yet).

I think therein ^^ is why I've always favored consoles and viewed PC's as something to suit a different role entirely (not gaming). That is, to summarize, PC's require A HELL OF ALOT MORE TINKERING AND WORK BEFORE YOU EVER ACTUALLY GET TO THE GAME PART!!!! This was something that was always obvious and intimidating to me thus making it an unexplored frontier of my hobby til now (in my thirties-LoL)

Forgive this unconventional journal entry for me, but the amount of frustration, elation, failure and success (finally) this week yielded, demanded I blow off some STEAM somewhere (ahahahaha PUN INTENDED).

Congrats to Mesh and his dedication to the Mother series! Yea, I'm a week late with that one but not letting it go uncelebrated. Finishing Earthbound was a milestone of my adult-gaming-career so I'd be remiss in not commending your completion of the franchise, Mesh. **Thumbs up**

EDIT: I'm actually just using this edit as a test to make sure with the um-teenth-gillion forms of browser protection I have now running I can still successfully post here without problem (yes, this is how dumb I truly am)
45  Media / Game Journals / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: June 05, 2016, 08:42:58 PM


Yeah, Legend is really fucking good in the writing and charm department, but just as you mentioned how the mechanical flaws seem to melt away in the face of the writing, you're going to find that at certain points, those flaws will come roaring back to haunt you later on in spite of all of the loveliness of the game's ascetics.



I feel like rough mechanical edges and gameplay flaws are something I developed thick skin to after some endeavors of the last few gen. Mind you, this is ONLY in the genre of JRPG's because of the aforementioned charm/writing/oddity they inherently have.

If I can survive and thoroughly enjoy back to back playthroughs of Persona 2 IS and EP, as well as titles the likes of Agarest then I can't imagine I'll be too put off with Mana's shortcomings.

Since I'm on the subject.

LEGEND OF MANA/ The Gorgan Eye quest was endearing if no other reason than having a turtle character straight outta a Jim Hensen production (Dark Crystal?). Couple Hensen-tastic with the lake environ which gave me a very "NewEnglandish" vibe and the quest scored two thumbs up.

Now, Flame of Hope? Not so impressive. Rueben the Ruby Knight came across as dramatically generic vs every other design I've seen yet (they can't all be amazing right?) and inherent design choice of forcing you to run back and forth to find the sproutling in the beginning yielded more rabite load screen than anything else.

After hitting up Domina, Lumina, Gato Gratos (sp?) and seeing the first few mazes I totally see where Mesh was coming from with how they set up the player to fall drastically and deeply into the lore that crafts the world. I love games that don't feed you every detail through windy volumes of reading but rather introduce you to its world through its characterization and clearly LOM is the embodiement of that. <<<< This is the difference between getting to know a fantasy world vs. studying it IMO which is how I feel with A LOT of western tolkien-rip fantasy I could otherwise love.
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