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601  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days on: January 04, 2014, 03:27:06 PM
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

(That's actually a horrible cliche that normally I dislike, but it seemed appropriate here...)

Seriously, Klyde, if you don't like the game then just don't play it.  Games are supposed to be fun.  Recreation.  Why do you do this to yourself?
As someone who recently forced his way through Last Rebellion because of the fact that it had been on his backlog for years, I think I can answer that. Some people simply have a compulsion to complete things, and once you have started something you cannot leave it unfinished. It is like a nagging feeling. If you ignore it, eventually it will weaken, but it never truly goes away! It is simply the way we are wired.

I could not have answered the question better myself. Thank you Ranadiel.

A few years ago I ended up in the hospital with horrible health issues. The few games I was playing at the time I dropped. Every time I turned em on after that I felt reminded of that hellish event. To this day those few irk me and that was years ago.... The "unfinished nagging" does not ever truly go away.

Funny you brought that up though.... I actually finished XIII-1 around that time. My discomfort with XIII-2 may actually be entirely a result of that. All the more reason to get through it and lay to rest a major personal hang up whilst reclaiming "comfort" from Final Fantasy.
602  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Warming up to a new title on: January 04, 2014, 03:10:27 PM
Something similar happened to me with Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter. I hated the game when I first tried it. It just felt to different from the previous games. Fast forward a few years and I end up loving the game once I gave it another chance.


Without a freaking doubt! 

When I first played Revelations: Persona on Playstation, I got bored with it after about 10 hours.  Months later, I had decided to trade it in for a copy of Star Ocean 2 when it came out.  That summer, I needed an RPG to play while waiting for Star Ocean so I revisited Persona... and the game completely opened up and I ADORED it!  It made me a Megami Tensei fanboy and I found myself extolling the Persona, and Megami Tensei, series to anyone willing to listen.  Bear in mind, this was back in the PlayStation era when Megami Tensei and Persona weren't popular like they are now.  I'm really glad I kept the game and stuck with the series, especially since Persona helped me a lot in my personal life.   http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2010/376.html

If something in my brain hadn't said "revisit Persona" I would probably not be the Dincrest I am today. 
 
I can say the same thing about music.  A lot of people weren't thrilled about Tool's "Lateralus" album (especially after Aenima), but once it grows on you, you realize that it's f'n brilliant!  When I first listened to the Kyuss album "And the Circus Leaves Town" I was meh on it, but I revisited it years later and now I think it's a phenomenal album. 

 

Revisiting at a later date with a different frame of mind really has shown me just how subjective my RPG experience can be. First time I played Earthbound I never even made it to threed. Years later it still plagued me that I gave it up and two summers ago I played it and beat it. Fell IN LOVE.

- I struggle with enjoying things because I'm goddamn nuts and force myself to hate everything because. To prove a point. I don't know. I want to say I have this contrarian drive, but that's not really... accurate. I'm just mood swingy in general?


- I complain about things because I want to be proven wrong. If I come into a game and I don't like it, I'll talk about everything I hate about it because I want SOMEONE to tell me, "oh, that starts making sense eventually" or "it gets better after X point."

- Usually if I don't like a game at the start it's because of annoying tutorial bits or exceedingly long narrative content at the start. Or if it's overly slow in giving you new mechanics, whatever.

You have once again summed up quirks of my own personality more appropriately and concisely than I could have. ^^ These points  in particular are without a doubt part of my (broken and defective) thinking and behavior that stretch well beyond game time for me...

To expand on one point, I become OBSESSED with wanting to know WHY I hate something once I do. I feel like it becomes an integral matter of discerning some uncovered aspect of my personality. Once identified I can often actually enjoy a title. This in particular is the KEY to geting past my "discomfort" with some games.



Kingdom Hearts titles also have this problem as well (mostly the Disney Worlds though, for acting out a C-grade version of their original plots... the games usually feature some sort of "half-time show", like how BBS had both Radiant Garden to intrigue players, and Disney Town to "entertain" them). 



KH 1.5 Final Mix was a hard fought warm-up for me due to the gameplay and platforming factors. Fast forward 5-6 hours into it with a host of abilities opened up and I was mega addicted. The difference with KH and most games though, while I ended up really enjoying myself with it, the lack of any narrative pay-off and complete distaste for the whole cast leaves me feeling pretty uninspired to play any more of the series even though I am well aware the gameplay gets much better.

Actually KH  is sort of the opposite of FFXIII-2 for me. XIII-2 is hard for me to warm up to for yet unidentified reasons that have more to do with me than the game and the pay off being completely narrative to me. I am so curious about the convoluted tale of lightning (whom I adore) that I am compelled to continue despite the rest of the games setting and "feel" being a total downer for me.

That is actually why I suspect I may really like XIII-2 by the end and XIII-3. Falling in love with just one character is usually enough to seal the deal for me and make any grueling aspect of a game worth it.



Edit: Also, I suppose I should admit the traditional, strict Atelier style was quite hard for me to get used to.  Rorona was easy enough, but when you go back to the stricter games like Elie, it's almost ridiculous.  But now that I've come to a realization of how they're intended to be played, they're very fun.


Atelier evolved my gaming mind. I used to hate crafting and whatnot until I played the Atelier games and Ar Tonelico. And while atelier could not relieve my distaste for time limits, I love becoming OCD about collecting and crafting now! LoL

Klydes warm up strategy

I've noticed that playing a different game on the weekend and having a routine with my gaming totally helps me overcome the warm up. Often now when I initially hate something for a week and get to something different on the weekend, I often feel compelled on monday to re-attack a title with a fresh perspective and even feel very eager to do so.

The key here is being disciplined enough to keep the routine because often what ends up happening is I get to the end of the week and don't want to put a game down. Then I get to the end of the weekend and don't want to put that game down.... When this occurs however I rarely feel compelled to ever drop either title and while the switch is jarring each weekend, I constantly stay inspired and hooked without feeling much of a title ever becomes "stale" or "chore-like".

I am employing this strategy now with FFXIII-2 and Tales of Vesperia.
603  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Warming up to a new title on: January 03, 2014, 08:44:01 PM
I had an epiphany today! Ok so not so much an epiphany as a realization that I probably should have noticed ages ago...

As some of you may have noticed, I have been severely struggling to appreciate Final FantasyXIII-2 as of late. I phrase it that way because I really like the character of Lighting, thus I want to be able to move on to XIII-3. On top of that, I actually find the story very intriguing after putting in the elbow work to comprehend it. Yet despite my excitement, each time I've gone to play it I have found myself very uncomfortable with the experience, as in it just has not scratched that "itch" or hooked me.

Now on to the point.

Upon reflection I realize that this happens occasionally to me. For a few days or a week I may completely dislike a new title I start, feeling as though I have totally made a bad choice, only to find myself totally wrapped up in it and really enjoying the experience in the end. I never realized or took note of this before as it seems only to happen when I play something a wee bit unconventional. That is, if I pop in a game and find it familiar territory I have no discomfort or apprehension about committing myself to move through it.

Case and point. Last spring I decided to try out P2 Innocent Sin. I started off being very dissatisfied with it. Two months later I had played through IS and EP back to back and discovered one of the most compelling casts and narratives I have ever come across.

So the question I pose is this. Does anyone else experience this "warm up" period for new titles, particularly those with gameplay or elements that are unfamiliar? How long do you typically give a game to hook you before deciding it is not worth the effort? Or am I the only one who experiences this phenomenon somewhat akin to a fear of commitment to a game I'm unsure about.

NOTE: I placed this in the single player board because I never typically have this problem with any other genre of games aside from JRPGS or multiplayer. Other genres (when I rarely play them)  are easily identifiable as hit or miss for me and multiplayer fun is automatic due to the social aspect.

Second NOTE: Thank you FlamingRift for posting about P2 IS earlier today and reminding me my experience with that title.



604  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Megami Tensei Topic on: January 03, 2014, 05:58:38 PM
Just started playing through Innocent Sin and loving it so far. I was a little hesitant since the reviews criticised its aged game design, but I think it's pretty fantastic. It's also interesting to see how it feels a lot more like other SMT game than P3 and P4 do.

Plus, it's fun to see the massive changes that happened between P2 and 3. The extra people in the velvet room is a really interesting one (particularly Belladonna singing Aria of the Soul), and it's funny to see so many people using personas when it's pretty much only the main characters (bar a few others) in P3 and P4.

For those of you who have played it P2, do you think I'd like P1? I skipped it since it was even older, but since I'm really enjoying P2, is P1 pretty similar?

Man, I adored Innocent Sin. So much so, I immediately went right into Eternal Punishment with no break. While I agree the gameplay can feel a wee bit less than enjoyable, the plot MORE then makes up for it.

I too skipped P1, although I did play it when it was released for the psx but that was waaay to long ago to recall much about it now. I fully intend to get to that (again) someday.
605  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days on: January 03, 2014, 01:06:36 PM
For the love of god guys I tried... I read, reviewed and watched everything I could... I filled my brain with enough FFXIII info to write an incoherent sci-fi novel with religious overtones.

Try as I might though, moving onto XIII-2 for the last 4 nights of gaming in a row has left me feeling just as uninspired and uninterested as XIII did.

Funny thing is, I actually can't tell you what I don't like. In every measurable sense I truly believe these are good games. I'm just certain at this point that they are not for me.

It disheartens me because I WANT to like them so bad (particularly because I am fan of lightning), but I just can't. I'm good at forcing myself through titles and even enjoying them in spite of the fact that they may be sub-par in some senses. Rarely do I drop games however the XIII-trilogy is officially dropped for me.

I post this for two reasons.

A) to apologize and beg forgiveness from the gaming gods for not completing my focus and....

 B) To ask you guys out of curiousity what you feel is the common thread between the XIII trilogy and X that leaves me with no desire for this type of final fantasy. I ask this because I've already reviewed the creative team behind them and it seems everyone responsible for the games worked on other titles I love and I just can't put my finger on the root of what I don't like about them..... then again maybe its as simple as I just don't like Sci-Fi anything with the exception of Evangelion, the Xeno games, X-Com and serial experiments lain.


EDIT: Disregard the whole part about dropping the game. Everything else, including my inquirey as to the common thread between X and XIII stands. But being the basket case I am, after stewing about it again, I am yet undecided as to whether or not I could leave this alone just yet...
606  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: The NEW Game Journal on: January 03, 2014, 01:40:47 AM
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Also, Ephemeral Phantasia is very entertaining...why hadn't I given this game a chance before?

My wonky PS2 launch RPG of choice is Eternal Ring :T

Speaking of which.

Dark Souls - Got uncursed. Also I think the new version of dsfix improves my framerate? If I set the target FPS to 60 I definitely drop through floors and stuff. Ghosts are still bullshit but at least I can upgrade my anti-ghost sword.

Race the Sun - I think I like this. I have reservations about liking it -- it does feel sort of cheap (as in cheaply made) in some ways -- but it really DOES feel like Noctis meets Outrun which is what I wanted?

That Weird Fingerbang Simulator By The Company That Made That Weird Deer MMO - Yes.

Kokuga - Able to beat level A. I think I might briefly play with the hard modes to see what happens.

Mesh, I've never told ya but I greatly admire your ability to juggle games buddy. Every day I come to this journal and am impressed with your list of updates.

Compliments aside, I know exactly how you feel about Race to the Sun (even though I'm not familiar with it). Your words describe PERFECTLY how I feel about FFXIII-2. Its just so clearly flash and pretty pictures over substance and meaning... and as an artist I can appreciate the beauty of it... but it is just way more "slick" stylistically than what I am used to. The result is the fact that I am literally unsure if I like it (yet) or can become comfortable with it.
607  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: The NEW Game Journal on: January 02, 2014, 10:01:00 PM
Klyde, thus admitted my Tales game experiences are nowhere near as extensive as many here, but Vesperia is quickly becoming my favorite and I m currently 42 hours in, no idea how far that is as I have refused to look at any walkthroughs!

I freakin' love tales man. And I KNOW my vesperia experience is going to be awesome. Which is precisely why i need to do xiii-2/xiii-3 now before I entertain Tales. I know myself, and my curiosity about the XIII-Trilogy with how invested I am in the story (or lack thereof) will drastically handicap my ability to enjoy Tales. I actually went so far as to watch an 8 hour movie and read a great deal of literature to re-familiarize myself with everything that I had forgotten or confused me in the first place (played through XIII-1 upon release, haven't looked at it since).... On that note alone, not seeing it through at this point would really be shooting myself in the foot so to speak.

I just had this problem with Suikoden 2. Awesome game. But I totally could have enjoyed it more without my mind wandering to XIII-2 so much.
608  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: The NEW Game Journal on: January 02, 2014, 06:12:22 PM
Well three days of replaying and comparing segments of Vesperia's beginning and FFXIII-2 has led me to the conclusion that while I will indeed enjoy Vesperia more, I can't do it without getting through XIII-2.

I just had in my head for too long that I was gonna play it before XIII-3 came out. My madness has compelled me to see it through.

I feel like after the XIII trilogy I can move onto my X-box library with a clear head. Right now my head is filled with thoughts of time paradoxes, false gods and getting to dress up hollow empty heroes that look real pretty.

EDIT: I do want to reiterate my thanks to this community for getting me to choose Vesperia as my first X-box title, which was a whole seperate issue I was having I feel very resolved about now. To those ends I am grateful.

609  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: What's the haps? on: January 02, 2014, 06:08:37 PM
Klyde - I tried FFXIII and I did not like it.  I couldn't force myself to finish and I have no interest in the other games.  If I needed to know what happened I'd just look it up on the Internet. 

I really appreciate your taking the time to respond to my madness, Clueless. Your advice is sound. I envy your ability to not force yourself to completion. I feel waist deep in FFXIII and fear the only way out is through at this point...


My mind does shit like that too :( This is partially why I hardly complete games ever, why I'm prone to just *collecting* games and impulse buying stuff (I'm not a fan of the Nomura flavor either, but I bought TLS for some reason), and why I get these caffeine induced mood swings so much (Caffeine: I CAN FOCUS. Caffeine Crash: I HATE EVERYTHING).

In other news, where the hell are they getting the money for these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/My-Little-Pony-FIM-WhiteDove-Creations-Flutterbat-plushie-/201013103350

In other news, my parents keep making references to Duck Dynasty that I don't get because I haven't had cable television since 2010.

Also what's with these ads I'm seeing lately where they have someone drawing on a real/fake white board, and delivering some lengthy narrative about whatever they're selling? Why has this formula become popular?

Yes sir Mesh. Secretly now, for quite awhile, I have suspected (based on your posts) that you and I have similar "quirks" in a manner of speaking.

I feel very comforted in some sense that you "get" what I am talking about though... makes me feel like I'm not alone in my madness.

Finally my conclusion on the matter? I need to play FFXIII-2. I did all but align the stars in the sky to see this trilogy through and after the hell I went through in XIII to finish that, and then the amount of material I poured over to really undertstand it I just cannot abandon it now. Good or bad, hate it or otherwise, I think I need to play it.  Ultimately NOT playing it will devalue any enjoyment I can get out of Vesperia at this point.

I have however learned a valuable lesson about myself through all this, and vow to never craft or schedule gaming agenda's based on anything other what I like. I should have learned my lesson with Kingdom Hearts. And while I ended up appreciating it in the end, I had to torture myself to do so.
610  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: What's the haps? on: January 01, 2014, 05:43:07 PM
Happy new years friends! And nice to meet ya, Chronopower!

Rough years end for me. Dumb as it sounds, I've been so screwed up deciding whether or not to play tales of vesperia or ffxiii-2 I legitimately wasted my whole night last night.... back and forth, sampling and reading and deliberating... it took like 4 hours for me to figure out that I simply have a strong distaste for the "Nomura flavor" in a manner of speaking.

Seriously,  every game that felt like a chore for me to play Mr. Nomura has worked on (or at the very lest been responsible for the visuals). I don't know how I missed this correlation in the past given what a rough time I had trying to "make myself" enjoy the latter FF's and Kingdom Hearts. Something about his work is just too slick for me. Like current western mainstream rock music to me.... it may sound good but it is just too "something" for me to actually like it (I really love early 90's rock personally).

Funny thing is, after all that deliberating, deciding on Tales and pretty much identifying the fact that no matter how hard I try, I just don't like the FFXIII franchise I'm still screwy and somewhat unresolved.

Good God am I messed up. LoL
611  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: The NEW Game Journal on: December 31, 2013, 03:51:28 PM
Oh boy lots to say... here goes

@ Aeolus, Mesh, Clueless and Klutz/  I genuinely thank you for your advice. I am resolved on Vesperia as far as the X Box titles are concerned.  You guys cinched that one for me!

I am however still torn on whether or not I should move onto Tales or muddle my way through XIII-2..... I feel like if I don't get through XIII-2 first, I'm going to feel as though I am making an ill decision that can distract me from Tales. Although I gotta say, playing XIII-2 will feel as though I'm getting it out of the way just to move on to Tales.

So with the aforementioned conflict, I guess the answer is blitz through XIII-2 to clear my mind of any doubt or distraction.

I'm sorry to be such a weirdo about this. XIII REALLY felt like the biggest "chore of a game" I played through this past gen. I didn't really particularly like any aspect of it aside from the character of lightning. In particular, the setting, cast, and generally "sci-fi" of it all was really a turn off for me. So I suppose my desire and curiosity to move onto XIII-2, strictly because I may want to play XIII-3 is sort of illogical in a sense.

In all honestly even though I am fan of lighting, love costume changes and am really excited to experience the gameplay of XIII-3, I have a real problem with constant changing of the attire during battles whilst switching between classes.

Taking all these "negatives" into account, with the ultimate fact that I always enjoy fantasy settings a great deal more than sci-fi, maybe I really should abandon the XIII franchise all together for Tales.

Ugh.... still torn.... at least I've narrowed it Tales vs. XIII-2 & XIII-3. That is some sort of progress I guess.

Moving on...

Suikoden 2 and Aeolus (a spoiler-free report and message)


First I must say upon completing Suikoden 2 I see it now as a most beautiful and broken masterpiece. Beautiful in its story telling. Amazingly intriguing atmosphere created by a marvelous plot and soundtrack with a cast that kept me emotionally evolved. These aspects form the foundation of a great game. Suikoden 2 has a STRONG foundation indeed.

Now to the broken.... The biggest problem I had with Suikoden 2 was the complete lack of challenge via gameplay. Not one single battle, be it boss, war or duel presented ANY challenge. I did not grind. Half the time I didn't even sharpen my weapons.... Yet the challenge of this game was solely tied to the grand (and game-long) puzzle of finding 108 stars, and NOT the combat.

To keep it brief, this game makes it into my top 10 ever for narrative alone. BUT, it would have made it higher on my list if the game required some sort of strategy (even if it were superficial to just keep me interested).

And finally... My gratitude to Aeolus.... a message to the bearer of the true rune of great gaming insight and advice.

Sir, I am happy to report that due to your fine advice and tips I completed with 108 stars and lovely save file to move into Suiko 3 when the time comes. I COULD NOT have done this without you (or at least not without tearing my hair out). Your select but key advice was crucial to me and the operation was a success. To these ends I honestly thank you.

I am shamed to report however that despite my efforts I did need to use a faq to get the best ending. I knew I screwed something up due to various hints you (aeolus) dropped to me in previous posts. And thank goodness I checked because I would have NEVER figured out exactly what need to be done to get the "best" ending (I tried, beat it 3 times last night before become exceedingly frustrated that my efforts continued yielding the erroneous ending).

And finally, I would like to say something about the ending itself. I wish more games would take a cue from Suikoden 2. Even the "bad endings" are conclusive without being longwinded. Very seldom do I EVER feel endings are suitable or conclusive and yet Suikoden 2 accomplished it not once but twice for me (both endings "work" IMO).

612  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: The NEW Game Journal on: December 30, 2013, 08:28:53 PM
Ohhh boy I am about to finish Suikoden 2.... I'll be back when I'm through with it for the full report!!!

ADVICE DESIRED, PLEASE READ
This leaves me at a cross-roads of sorts... I know I have enough time to play FFXIII-2 and be all ready and set for XIII-3. This was my initial plan.

However...

I have had an Xbox 360, sitting idly, for over a year now. I own all the exclusive JRPG's for it I want. This includes Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia, Lost Odyssey, Magna Carta, Infinite Undiscovery and The Last Remnant.

I always move onto the next thing I think I "should" play. Often times neglecting what I want to play or think will provide the most enjoyment (I hope that makes sense...). The result is I have yet to touch even one of those X-Box games. And while I feel I should play XIII-2 so I can move on to XIII-3 upon release because I am terribly curious about it, part of me is very tempted to move on to an X-Box titles. More then likely Vesperia.

Now I tried XIII-2 briefly, and while it didn't seem bad I just can't decide.

I also know within myself that if I don't play XIII-2 now I doubt I ever will. Admittingly, it is the hype of XIII-3 and prospect of playing as lighting with a new combat system that has me tempted.

I think I'm pretty set on XIII-2 but taking that road will pretty much decide the next two months of my gaming agenda, so before I make that move I would love to hear any opinions that may get me to re-think things.
ADVICE DESIRED: END: THANK YOU FOR READING

NOTE: I apologize to anyone who gets pissed off by the redundant "help me decide" what to play questions. In truth, I really trust your guys advice ever since my "Rorona" incident a few years back (for those who remember). Secondly, let me just state that yes I do indeed have mental problems and these decisions weigh far more heavily on my brain than they should, I am indeed aware of this (in case anyone was speculating).

EDIT: my alternative plan is to play XIII-2 on the weekdays and X-box on the weekends as a "best of both worlds" agenda but I don't know if that would prove to much narrative to focus on at once... Maybe XIII-2 as a main and bastion and some XBLA titles as weekend alternates? I have been dying to get to bastion ever since I tried it out like 14 months ago....
613  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: The NEW Game Journal on: December 26, 2013, 06:07:03 PM
Suikoden 2: Something undead is brewing near tinto.... things are getting INTENSE!!
614  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: What Did You Get For the Holidays? - 2013 Edition on: December 26, 2013, 06:05:17 PM
You guys made out like bandits!!

I'm not even going to make a list..... I love givings gifts personally. I give them to damn near everyone I know. Hell, even the guy I like down at convenient got gifts from me. Others don't seem to share the sentiment.... and I don't have any close family, friends or relatives so while I looooove to give, the return for me leaves a bit to be desired.

Don't misread me though. I am not bitching. I give myself gifts and the week off from work. That is plenty-good-enough for this Klyde.

I did however get a nice plaque with my name on it and some clock parts for my sculptures. Both made me exceedingly happy :)

615  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: What's the haps? on: December 26, 2013, 05:55:48 PM
Klyde! That is ingenious! I spent a lovely Christmas day in bed with a 101 fever, feel a little better today but still pretty yucky. On the flip side Little Lady got me a 3DS XL and SMT Devil Summoner so hopefully today I shall christen it!

Thanks Bytor! Appreciate your compliments on that note... I really was proud for having come up with that. I was excited on a "still a kid" level tearing that crap open yesterday. I will make that a yearly tradition for myself I think.

Congrats on the 3ds!

In other news, I took celebrating too far... For the first time since august/september I decided to try and eat something other than fish and organic spinach. I opted to make, what I considered to be, "safe" (for my gut) christmas cookies with minimal ingredients (used only almonds, peanuts and coconut)..... BIG MISTAKE... they tasted awesome but I'm really paying for it today. Back to flounder and greens for me.

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