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841  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: What's the haps? on: January 08, 2014, 03:32:26 PM
You can also try keeping the camera at max distance (I forget if it's applicable to xiii-2 or not though). I usually get motion sickness from overly mobile camera views and extreme detail, but when there's a lot more viewing area, I can't focus as easily on one thing and it helps to prevent that focal point from causing me intense waves of nausea. It saved me from FFXI when I would get really sick overplaying it.

That is a super interesting point D!! I have done this in just about any game I had the option to just because I found it it easier to focus. The camera is without a doubt, uber-zoomed on the party leader whilst moving in FFXIII-2 which I found to be troubling to my perception from the moment I turned the game on... I almost constantly have had to focus on the mini-map to successfully navigate.

I feel your pain... I nearly needed a barf bag to get through some of those scenes in Lord of the Rings when the camera pretends it's on a rollercoaster.

What usually helps me:
-Play in a well lit room
-Don't play when tired
-Take a ten to fifteen minute break atleast every hour
-Save and quit when you start feeling bad, because it'll only get worse if you continue
(-And in the case of XIII-2: look away when the camera is having its pre-battle seizure)

It helps to know I'm not the only one! Truly it does.... I'm taking all these suggestions to heart with my gaming from now on because I really don't ever want to experience this again.

I was sort of minimizing how extraordinarily bad this is/was with XIII-2 for me.... trust me if it were a matter a minor tummy ache or simple dizziness I would cope. I HAVE experienced feeling funny after long play sessions with other games but nothing like this. To be honest, the other night after a brief leveling session I couldn't even work. I begin to become ill with as little as 20 minutes of gameplay and it just gets worse thereafter. Thats why I am gracefully bowing out the XIII franchise even though I was actually at the point where I was really beginning to love it.

In truth, I am getting what I deserve here. This is a kharmically appropriate response for me having turned it into a stress and coming on here and bitching for the last week about being indecisive as to what to play. The powers that be are teaching me a lesson right now... appreciate my gaming, don't turn it into a chore, OR ELSE!!

Anyhow, I learned my lesson and will be FAR more appreciative of the Tales franchise from now on! Lol

On a positive note, I learned a great deal about motion sickness and how it occurs. Interesting stuff. Apparently its akin to your body believing it is hallucinating and/or being poisoned which is why it affects your whole CNS and not just your tummy.

And now, for something completely different....

So I'm teaching public school teachers this month, and I'm insanely busy. It's also a little daunting but I'm teaching primary school teachers and they're a fun group.

Prepping, planning, constantly tweaking lessons. Have an open class next where are the supervisors are watching and that's freaking me out a bit.

Then again, I get to do things like set up an obstacle course and have races where the teachers sit on chairs and give directions while another blindfolded teacher pushes them.

Sometimes my job is really fun.

Teaching is the single most rewarding thing I feel I have ever done. The greatest sense of fulfillment, purpose and even fun I have ever experienced was as a martial arts instructor many moons ago. Certainly far different from what you are doing but none the less to this day I value any opportunity to have a chance to educate.

I truly miss teaching. Maybe I should look into getting a tattoo apprentice.... Dice, move down to Northeast Pennsyl'tucky will ya? LOL
842  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: What's the haps? on: January 08, 2014, 01:11:45 AM
Klyde, could be how much you're stressing yourself out over the game. Could be that you're very slightly susceptible to vertigo (hence reading in cars, which is the easiest way to experience vertigo) and stress makes anyone more susceptible to all kinds of nasty things.

Combine the two and whamo, vertigo while playing a game that's stressing you out.

Hmmm... interesting. I will look into your vertigo theory and am appreciative of the tip. Stress can cause all sorts of wonky things to occur so I don't doubt the possibility.

Klyde - I get motion sickness if I play first person games.  To combat this I wear sea bands.  Works like a charm for me.

I hope the 24 hr supermarket has them because I am going to go check right now... Between those and some ginger caps I should be A' ok for all future gaming!

Regardless I'm through (officially) with FF XIII-2 and LR. I am stubborn. I am dumb. Hell, I'm a self admitted complete fool at points. I am NOT however so idiotic to indulge something that can adversely affect my physical health and well-being like this (that I can easily choose to avoid).

I do however feel like an idiot for having had experienced this now for like 2 weeks without putting two and two together..... that part does leave me feeling a wee bit embarrassed.

To quote Kevadu's advice to me from the LR thread....

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

(That's actually a horrible cliche that normally I dislike, but it seemed appropriate here...)

I'm so frickin bummed out over this to be honest though. To add insult to injury I went to game store to pick up a replacement PS2 tonite and the Lightning Returns promo was playing the whole time.

843  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: What's the haps? on: January 07, 2014, 05:15:41 PM
Has it happened from the beginning or just recently? Might be best to shelve the game for a week or two and maybe try again later.

I put about a dozen hours into the game at this point. Every single session, has made me feel this way, I just kept walking away from it saying that it was my ill opinion of the game that was doing it... stupid I know... guess I was in denial...

Seems to happen whether I play first thing in the morning or last thing before bed. Additionally, I seem to have strange sleep disturbances on the nights following my playtime with the title.

I was alternating with Tales of Vesperia and it hasn't happened at all. In other words, it is not something that is currently occurring across the board with my gaming but rather seems localized only to this game.

As an aside I just read the funniest statement in an article while looking into this....

Getting motion sickness while playing videogames affects a lot of people, yet it seems almost like a taboo to talk about among gamers because you might not be seen as “hardcore” since you can’t play certain things.

So I guess I'm not "hardcore" anymore.... please don't ban me guys!!! LoL

EDIT: I just realized EXACTLY what this feels like. I experience the same sensation if I try to read in a moving vehicle.
844  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: What's the haps? on: January 07, 2014, 04:57:31 PM
I don't know why FFXIII-2 would be a problem for you Klyde, but I know plenty of people who have similar complaints about first person games.  It's a fairly common problem there.  Of course FFXIII-2 isn't first person so I don't know how related that would be.

Acutally, in spite of my limited experience with them, I don't recall first person games doing this to me at all.

This truly is the first time I've ever experienced this type of thing. Come to think of it, the only thing I can compare it too is how the salt and pepper shaker makes me feel at carnivals.

I'm really frustrated/scared with it to be honest.
845  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: XIII-2 Levelling and Growth Confusion on: January 07, 2014, 04:47:03 PM
I just wanted to come back and tell everyone thanks for the tips! I evened my leveling out and began exploiting the Syn and Sab roles and totally started demolishing everything.

Now my only problem is this game seems to be causing me some sort of motion sickness/dizziness (just appealed for advice/aid over in "whats the HAPS")... but that is off topic...

Once again, just wanted to say thanks folks! Your guys concise advice took me from feeling "lost" to very "at home" with the mechanics pretty quick.
846  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: What's the haps? on: January 07, 2014, 04:32:23 PM
Curious folks, has anyone ever experienced motion sickness, dizziness or nausea from a specific game?

I never have, until now. I finally figured out why I'm having such a hard time with FFXIII-2. After as a little as a half hour of play I start to feel sick.... I thought this was because I didn't like the game, but I have confirmed that is not the case. The camera during battle somehow makes me feel sick.

Let me repeat I HAVE NEVER experienced this. I have played many looooong game sessions before, with lots of different titles. Nothing from Chrono Trigger to Alice Madness returns to Mario 3d world or Zelda Wind Waker made me feel physically ill.

I'm at the point where I actually may, for the first time ever, youtube the movie version of this and Lightning Returns.

Does anyone have any suggestions? Like, if I play more will can I grow "used to it"? This is sort of disheartening for me... Although I didn't love this game, I was pretty determined to make it through for the sense of completion and move onto part XIII.
847  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Warming up to a new title on: January 06, 2014, 04:42:23 PM
the possibility you like something because it's ADDICTIVE but not necessarily FUN,

This statement you made lingered in my mind for days Mesh... I was hesitant to admit it but I think you hit the nail on the head here for me. I totally do this. In fact after really reviewing the experience I've had with XIII-2 thus far, I can safely say that is exactly what is happening to me with that game right now.

I have been calling myself a completionist for the longest time. I totally believed THAT was why I played through things even though I hated them. I now think this has been a misplaced or misguided observation of my habits.


Dirty secret: There are very, very, very few games I can play for an extended time without getting burnt out, and I basically never finish games. Ever.

I'm actually envious or that, nothing to be ashamed of there. To NOT finish something I can identify as something I don't want to (and be OK with it) would be huge for me. I can't imagine accomplishing something that would provide me with a greater sense of fulfillment than being able to drop a game. That nasty leg of my personality extends its threads into other facets of my life aside from gaming. While this character flaw of mine is a strength in many respects (work, responsabilities et cetera...) it REALLY strangles the fun-factor of games for me at times.

 For some reason it almost always feels wrong to start a new game. Like, I should be focusing on the game I need to play for work. I'm always afraid I'll enjoy the game I wanted to play so much I won't make my deadlines. This has never actually happened, and I can balance work and fun just fine, but starting a new game remains scary...

THIS^^ I totally understand. The difference is I self impose deadlines on myself based on release dates or imaginary time restricted goals. The difference being, your deadlines are real with consequences, while mine are not.

To draw from my current Tales Vs. XIII-2 experience.

With no desire for years to play XIII-2 or return the XIII franchise since I played the first I suddenly felt the need to even though Tales of Vesperia has been on my "want to play list" FOREVER.

I've had a hard to time warming up to Tales because I feel like I "should" be playing XIII-2 as a result of this self imposed deadline.
My first SRPG was FFTA. No idea why I didn't try them earlier. I don't really remember seeing any for sale. I think FFT WOTL was the first time FFT came to Europe. Could be wrong though. Had a lot of fun with FFTA although I remember wondering when I would finally get to walk around and explore.

Games featuring tactical battle systems are typically the easiest for me to "warm up" to for some reason. The more a game feels like playing chess to me, the more at home I feel right away! LoL

Likewise, turn based systems are also extremely "comfortable" to me.

And on an unrelated note, on the rare occasion a tactical battle system is paired with real walking/exploration (Growlanser) it is gaming bliss for me.
848  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: XIII-2 Levelling and Growth Confusion on: January 06, 2014, 05:52:19 AM
thanks for the help guys i figured it out what was going on.... i just sucked in battle and wasn't effectively setting up paradigms aside from trying to bum rush through the story. under-leveled and ill played you might say.

you can kill this topic now. thank you all for the hasty and helpful responses
849  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: XIII-2 Levelling and Growth Confusion on: January 05, 2014, 06:19:23 PM
I haven't played the game in ages but I remember switching between roles all the time. Focusing on just one seems like a bad call as certain battles call for certain strategies. SAB and SEN were really useful for me during boss fights. Didn't use SYN as much though.

Are you upgrading your monsters too? It really helps although you will eventually need to upgrade to new ones. You can also sacrifice the monsters to improve others but I never did this and was fine. I am guessing you mainly use MED and SEN monsters since you only leveled RAV and COM for Noel and Serah. I usually switched into MED to back up the MED monsters if they were struggling.

Sorry I wasn't much help. I am sure someone else will be able to answer your question properly.

I appreciate the guidance. I dropped some points on some other roles but with no real aim to be honest. I blindly spam leveled because I thought leveling was a pretty linear deal.

Maybe I'm just not using paradigms efficiently.

It feels like I am playing a game with a defense stat without buying or equipping new armor.

EDIT: also to clarify exactly where I am getting trounced... its the gogmagog palette swap boss in the Yaschas 10AF eclipse area. I can handle enemies fine it seems so I thought I was doing ok, but even when I switch the game to easy I can't even come close to beating him. I read somewhere that at this point some players could kill him in one stagger, whereas I could barely even get his health down a quarter way on the first stagger.

So I guess it also feels as though I am playing a game without buying or equipping new weapons as well. Although I have the best weapons chocolina offers ATM.

Between this and the fact that fetch quests drive my nuts on account of the fact that I have no clue where to look to fetch I feel so defeated.
850  Media / Single-Player RPGs / XIII-2 Levelling and Growth Confusion on: January 05, 2014, 05:51:37 PM
Ok guys, I need some serious help here.

I have not been able to really get anywhere in XIII-2 because I am clearly doing something wrong and at the point where I am getting my ass handed to me. In fact, I suspect based on how fast my characters get wiped out I am somehow missing or neglecting some mechanic entirely.

I am currently at chapter 3 Yaschas whatever (place with the eclipse) and have been pouring most all my crystarium points into COM for Noel and RAV for Serah. I did this because although I didn't really "get it" I thought choosing those roles to pour mostly everything into and keeping them primarily as those roles was a simple and sound strategy. Clearly it was not.

My monsters seem week as well. I don't know what I am doing wrong there....

I tried reading a bit from guides on the levelling system to better understand it and even they confuse they heck out of me.

Can anyone explain in a simplistic way how effectively level and progress in this game. I feel like I am going nowhere fast.

Any tips on how to survive battles would be helpful please don't be bashful with the advice guys. I really need it. I am having horrible flashbacks of 45 minute battles in XIII-1 because I screwed up the leveling in that somehow.
851  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, The Last 13 Days on: January 05, 2014, 05:38:37 PM
For the love of god guys I tried... I read, reviewed and watched everything I could... I filled my brain with enough FFXIII info to write an incoherent sci-fi novel with religious overtones.

This is an effort best saved for Paradox games honestly. For the FFXIII games just look up game recaps and whatever information is directly relevant to your interests, because it's generally better to just go with the flow and not try to take the games that seriously. This could go for a LOT of works really, but for total story information that's better spent on something like Mass Effect, and for gameplay immersion borderline necessary for Paradox strategy games.

Well  my overindulgence did have one benefit, it took a narrative I "didn't get" and turned it into something very intriguing to me. In all honesty I haven't been this consumed with a narrative in a long time.

I'm gonna be the odd man out (in most cases) and say that I actually love the story and writing now that I have deciphered it.

What I don't love..... THE GAMEPLAY AND LEVELLING. In fact I think I need to make a thread about it.

852  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: What's the haps? on: January 05, 2014, 12:54:29 AM
High of -26F with windchill on monday, low of -39F after windchill. Don't wanna work from home again, but... -39F windchill?

And then I was looking at the weather for Bowling Green, Ohio, and they've got a low of -48F with wind chill on Tuesday I think. What the HELL?

Sans wind chill the temperatures are a... moderately more reasonable -15Fs, but still. Damnguangm.

Also I just watched Felidae. That was a thing.

I went running yesterday in a windchill of -5. About 5 miles after that poor decision I began to truly become concerned for my well-being. I am compulsive about my running and I have to go every day. I have for years. Days like yesterday really make me question my judgement...
853  Media / Game Journals / Re: Final RPGFantasy VI on: January 04, 2014, 11:03:05 PM
And there I go.... I'll be back folks... count on it!
854  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Tales of PlayStation(s) revealed on: January 04, 2014, 06:11:43 PM
I just realized while posting in another thread and starting Vesperia this weekend something very unique about the Tales franchise for me.

They are truly a complete breather for me in terms of RPGs. My mind can be engrossed in them like other RPGs but they totally relax me in the same care-free manner of indulging anime or some other genre of gaming.

Typical RPG's tax my brain in a strategic sense and can really proof cognitively difficult to handle if over-done. I'm not saying Tales is void of strategic elements, but they are the only series I can think of that don't burn me out in that sense at all.

I know vesperia is a 360 title and thus not a thread appropriate title so forgive me.
855  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Warming up to a new title on: January 04, 2014, 05:53:32 PM
That's also a nice little strategy to help combat "game burnout."  I remember doing topics about "game burnout" on the boards fairly often over the years just to get new perspectives on it.  Either switch up your gaming (I think this is why many RPG fans also love intense shooters, since those games act as some kind of psychological palate cleanser) or take a day or few to not play games at all and just do something else in that time frame; like learn a new recipe or do some exercise. 

I do that with my reading too.  I'm in the middle of the Mistborn trilogy and it is stellar.  But it's a lot and sometimes I need something to cleanse the palate.  So I read a comic or a "fluff" book (that I can finish in a day) so I get the palate cleansed AND a sense of accomplishment of having finished something so I can attack the epic I'm in the middle of with newfound vigor. 

Playing two RPGs is not something I can do; I prefer to have an RPG and something else, like a shooter or a rhythm game like Hatsune Miku Project Diva F, so it's not like I have two cumbersome, if awesome, epics weighing me down.

I agree, I usually play an RPG and something non-RPG.  Or at the very least, RPGs in two different subgenres.  Hatsune Miku was my most recent non-RPG too, for that matter!

This also goes for VNs.  I play a VN and something non-story heavy unless the VN is particularly action-y.

Usually I won't try two RPG's either but in this case its doable for me because its a Tales title and XIII-2. Quite simply the action-ee nature of the Tales battle system and the "easy to digest" nature of the Tales narratives balances out XIII-2 for me. That and I need a more typical fantasy land in my life complete with swords, magic, knights and castles.... Save the swords, everything else is absent from XIII-2

Quite simply. Tales = Fun Focus, XIII-2 = Serious focus (for me). This works.

Now this would NOT work for me if it were say, Xenosaga and Suikoden. The settings may balance out (I got my sword and sorcery) but I would get really inundated with all that turn based focus and serious and epic nature of both stories.

Xenosaga and Suikoden both require patience, focus, are serious and have completely assimilar gameplay. This is NOT doable for me. Likewise, Xenosaga and XIII-2 would not work for me either.

Also to do two RPGs I cut out other narrative focus from my life. No reading or even watching new anime. Instead I watch some Dragon Ball here and there or re-watch something I've seen already. In short two RPG's is only doable if they are the only narrative focus in my life....
To expand on one point, I become OBSESSED with wanting to know WHY I hate something once I do. I feel like it becomes an integral matter of discerning some uncovered aspect of my personality. Once identified I can often actually enjoy a title. This in particular is the KEY to geting past my "discomfort" with some games.

I think this is completely reasonable. If you're not reassessing your own tastes, your own reactions to art, how can you trust your own sensibilities? You can go by the "is game x pleasurable or not" approach, but there's always the possibility you like something because it's ADDICTIVE but not necessarily FUN, or maybe you find something non-pleasurable to play but it's just because you haven't gotten good enough at it for it to open up yet. Or are you just liking/disliking something because that's what the reviews said? And so on.

it's like a canary in a cocker spaniel -- with a name like Shmucker's, you know it goes to 11.

Being hyper critical of my perception, reaction and taste in art is something I have always felt to be completely integral to developing my own "eye" and capability as an artist. I suppose one could say I believe to be a good artist one must become an art critic inherently.

Well put, and a fine point good sir!
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