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46  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Thread -- Making people crazy since 1987, kupo! on: March 24, 2013, 11:16:39 AM
See, arguing this over a forum takes too long, too much to type and most of it gets lost behind other posts. I don't dislike turnbased games, but I'm not going to ask for them instead of games like dragon's dogma, or ni no kuni, or tales of anything. Turnbased is boring, lacks strategy, and makes an otherwise gripping adventure a challenge in how long I can smash my x button before I notice I should heal. And say what you want about the shin megami shit, I've played a few and they operate mostly the same outside of status effects actually working well, meaning I need to heal for those too. Bash XIII all you like, but it required a tad bit more strategical thinking in later fights then hit hit heal repeat. Even tactical rpgs give you positional control so you can target enemies in groups better.

Yes, I enjoy the hell out of games like Chrono Trigger, but fuck balls if I asked them to lleave the battle system alone if they remade it again.

Really? I feel the same way about action. Smash my X button until I notice I need to heal, stop and heal, go back to mashing X. I always felt that turn based games offered a bit more strategy vs. more "realism" in an action game. The action pauses, you can consider your next action, and execute it without being rushed. Turn based games often seem to have more relevant spells, etc. than action games, where they do seem to be mashing one button for the majority of the battle (ok, so random encounters you will often use just the X button too, but at least I don't get sore hands/thumbs from the mash-fest).

I'm going to step in and say I think it totally depends on the game.  Action RPGs can be done very well (see: Witcher 2, Ys series) but when they aren't done well, it just comes down to whether or not you can mash buttons fast enough and long enough without getting sore fingers.  And that gets incredibly boring.  On the flip side, I love turn-based tactical RPGs like Shining Force 1-3 and Fallout 1 & 2.  The problem is many turn-based games can also be incredibly boring because of all the random encounters that aren't strategically challenging and only exist because the game requires a lot of grinding to beat the bosses; which was arguably done not to make the game more enjoyable, but because it would artificially extend the length so that the publisher could advertise "Over 50 hours of game-play!!!".     Real-time and turn-based battle systems can both be implemented poorly and either way it makes the game start to feel like work more than fun. 
47  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Looking for some good western style RPG's (No elder scrolls games or PC games) on: March 24, 2013, 10:38:23 AM
My PC is a little old but can run the original Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare just fine. The only reason I said no PC games are because a lot of the "great" RPG's are a little older from at least the 90's and I don't want to buy them used because the whole CD key thing and I don't hack or use key generators or anything. Other reason is compatibility issues even though I'm using a Windows computer. I might have to change that little exception of PC games....

In that case I'll echo everyone who has said, just get older PC games from GOG.  Their versions are optimized for modern Windows PCs.  Or in the case of Baldur's Gate 1 get BG: Enhanced Edition.

Here's some must-play PC exclusive RPGs:


Neverwinter Nights (with both expansions):  The main reason to get NWN is for the player made content.  The official campaign is mediocre at best, but players have used the toolset to make some truly awesome (and totally free) campaigns.  If you like I can recommend a few of my favorite modules (I prefer the role-play heavy ones) but the NWN vault has a rating system (Unfortunately the vault is plagued mediocre modules with scores of 8 or 9, presumably to avoid hurt feelings). 

Neverwinter Nights 2 + Mask of the Betrayer expansion- like NWN there are some great player-made campaigns on the Vault, but unlike NWN1, the official campaign is quite enjoyable (although a needlessly battle heavy in some parts).  Making your character from a large selection of races and classes and taking him/ her all the way to level 30 by the end of the expansion is a great immersive experience.

The Witcher 1: Enhanced Edition

Baldur's Gate I & II +expansions.  Great games that offer quite a bit of freedom of player choice.  My only real complaint is the economy of both games is so messed up and you'll likely end up with far more gold than you could possibly spend and more loot and items than your party can possibly carry.   

Drakensang: River of Time-   The battle path-finding is a little clunky but it's such a great little game. 

Fallout 1 & 2

Planescape; Torment-  I'm playing this one right now.  It is showing it's age but there's great character interaction and a huge amount of player choice. 
48  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: I wanna play Growlanser Generations but I dont because of this persistant rumor on: March 24, 2013, 09:31:09 AM
When I read the thread topic I thought the rumor was going to be "Growlanser Generations is so freakin' awesome it makes most other JRPGs seem like monotonous, linear trash in comparison". That rumor is basically true.[/spoiler]

I've played GG and probably a few other blue discs and my PS2 is still kicking so I think you're good to go. 
49  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Looking for some good western style RPG's (No elder scrolls games or PC games) on: March 23, 2013, 09:49:03 AM
I really wish Deus X: HR wasn't first person. I'm getting tired of hearing how great it is, but knowing I couldn't tolerate it being in 1st person.

I normally dislike first-person games (they tend to give me a headache), but I gave this game I shot and loved it.  Also, while it is largely first person, it switches to a third-person viewpoint whenever Adam takes cover, climbs ladders, uses certain augmentations, and makes melee attacks.  For some reason this combo works really well. 
50  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Screw announcements, let's just release the game (Atelier Totori Plus) on: March 21, 2013, 04:01:06 PM
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51  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Looking for some good western style RPG's (No elder scrolls games or PC games) on: March 21, 2013, 02:50:45 PM
I've only played the PC versions of the following but all are available on 360.

Witcher 2- Although I would certainly recommend playing the first one on your PC (it's really not very demanding), it really isn't necessary to enjoy the 2nd game, which arguably has much better game-play anyway. 

Dragon Age: Origins

Deux Ex: Human Revolution (although I'd argue it's really more of an action game with light RPG elements, it's a good game).

Risen 1 & 2

The reality is most of the best Western style RPGs are PC exclusives.  And contrary to popular misconception, you don't need a powerful gaming rig to play most of them.
52  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Shadowrun Returns on: March 20, 2013, 02:50:57 PM
This was the very first game I kickstarted (although I also backed Wasteland 2, right before their campaign ended).  I really hope it is a huge success so there can be many expansions beyond the already planned Berlin DLC. 
53  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution Thread (merged) on: March 20, 2013, 02:48:28 PM
I really liked this game but was kind of disappointed with the ending.  Just seemed a bit too abrupt for my tastes.  I'm hoping that the rumored possible DE: HR2 is in the works. 
54  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Curious to see others opinions on Working Designs if it was a new company.... on: March 19, 2013, 11:18:05 AM
I liked their ambition, but I think I'd end up skipping a lot of their games now, if they were new, if they had kept the same style of localisation.

Their humour was forced and shitty, and I cringed at it back in the day. I can't imagine people not ripping it apart now.

I think they did a great job with the localization of Growlanser Generations (II & III).  I never played any other WD games, but I've heard they made a lot of pop culture references.  However, I don't remember them adding any really obvious ones in the Growlanser games; perhaps they avoided it because the subject matter is so serious (lands being torn apart by war). 
55  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Recommendations for RPGs on a PSPgo? on: March 18, 2013, 10:21:08 PM
The Etrian Odyssey thread has be wondering, what is the consensus for the best wizardry-clone (is that the proper term?) on the PSP?

I know that EO is for the (3)DS, but wondering how the PSP options compare.

Thanks!

"Unchained Blades".   I'm not really a fan of that sub-genre but it seems to be quite well liked among people who are.   I don't think there's many other PSP dungeon crawlers that are on the PSN. 
56  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Shadowrun Returns on: March 18, 2013, 10:06:07 AM
Yes, it definitely reminds me of Fallout 1 & 2.  I've also seen it compared to Jagged Alliance 2 and X-Com: Enemy Unknown but haven't played either of those.

Hmm, I'm rather surprised that RPGFan hasn't previewed this game at all yet.  I'm hoping this will change once the game is closer to release.
57  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Recommendations for RPGs on a PSPgo? on: March 17, 2013, 08:16:35 AM
What are general impressions of Gungnir (the fairly new SRPG)?

Reviews seem very mixed, with the only thing everyone agrees on being that it's very hard.

That sounds appealing to me though.   I often end up handicapping myself like this to some extent in most SRPGs to counter power creep that comes with having all those end game skills at your disposal.  When playing FFT, for example, I'd pick a strange party of vanilla recruits (say, 5 chemists, no special chars except ramza), go straight there and use that for the rest of the game with no grinding allowed.

A game that is already that hard from the get-go would be a nice change.

I have Gungnir but have barely played it.  The battle system seems decent; it's a nice turn-based SRPG style although the isometric perspective can sometimes make it difficult to keep track of your characters positions relative to the enemy.  But really the reason I haven't played it more is the story was rather boring and generic.  And as soon as Growlanser: Wayfarer of Time came out, I put Gungnir aside and played through Growlanser twice (original route and modified route).  I still need to play it again on the "evil" path.

I'd recommend Jeanne D'Arc over Gungnir if you want a turn-based SRPG. 
58  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Shadowrun Returns on: March 16, 2013, 08:52:59 AM
Whoa, that was seriously impressive. This looks like the kind of Western RPG I've been waiting to see. Glad Kickstarter worked out for them, and it looks like they'll be delivering. Where exactly can I pre-order, btw?

Just go to Harebrained Schemes Website.  Yeah, pre-ordering now if you haven't is definitely a good idea because it will be $5 off the release price and I recall them saying on another recent video that they will be closing pre-orders soon. 
59  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Shadowrun Returns on: March 15, 2013, 09:55:54 AM
I'm so excited for this game!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MiMjQwd2VE

I enjoyed the Genesis game immensely back when it came out.  Played the SNES game more recently which was also pretty cool.  But I love that this spiritual sucessor is going to be turn-based.
60  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: Recommendations for RPGs on a PSPgo? on: March 15, 2013, 09:35:32 AM
You should look into Growlanser, they're pretty challenging and have a neat twist on strategy/real-time battle systems, and have similar amounts of political intrigue to FFT/Ogre.

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