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76  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality. on: May 01, 2014, 05:13:13 PM
Re assassination attemt: More importantly why did they feel the need to drop massive gates, totally giving away the fact that shenanigans were afoot and giving Edea time to put up the shields.

You mean this? http://youtu.be/Zuc62lLk6kQ?t=13m46s
That was part of the show, it was a planned thing, don't forget that SeeD was being helped by Rinoa's father who knows everything about the parade and probably had a hand in it's design for strategic purposes.


Edea looks super shocked when that gate falls if you ask me. It also makes no sense for the gates too fall, what good is a trapped float?


Well that was the backup plan. If Irvine failed to shoot her, they would trap her and try to kill her then, when I said show I meant the assassination plan not the show show xD. The shot she deflacted was after the initial failure and it was a last resort sort of thing, she was supposed to have been sniped earlier(without her knowing that she was being attacked ofc) but Irvine chickened out for reasons that were already talked about.
77  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality. on: May 01, 2014, 04:44:45 PM
Re assassination attemt: More importantly why did they feel the need to drop massive gates, totally giving away the fact that shenanigans were afoot and giving Edea time to put up the shields.

You mean this? http://youtu.be/Zuc62lLk6kQ?t=13m46s
That was part of the show, it was a planned thing, don't forget that SeeD was being helped by Rinoa's father who knows everything about the parade and probably had a hand in it's design for strategic purposes.

As far as NORG goes.. It's an inoffensive plot thread, is it the fact that he is a big yellow fat thing that annoys people lol?
He comes from the Shumi Village, a village full of those beings and they are established as having sentience and intelligence. It's just a different species I don't see anythng wrong with it.

Less that he exists at all and more 'why is he trying to call the shots/pull the plug on Cid's operation now/living in Garden's basement?'. At best, you could say that he was woefully inept at that whole 'usurper' thing he was trying to pull, but its more likely that the writers just wanted to toss in a divided factions/questionable allegiances sort of thing like the whole SHIELD versus HYDRA thing going on in the Marvel Movie-verse right now but didn't bother putting in any effort beyond "Are you with Cid or NORG?" (especially since after you take out NORG that's the last you ever hear from his supporters, and outside of the masked dudes, everybody was still there and carrying on like nothing ever happened).

Additional plot threads of questionable quality: The Prison Break sequence, the White SeeDs, Rujinn and Fuyinn jacking Balmb (not the Garden, the Town where Zell grew up in).

"After the assassination attempt the sorceress is furious. She orders Balamb Garden and Trabia Garden destroyed while she takes Galbadia Garden for herself. NORG is furious at Martine for revealing Balamb Garden's part in the plan. He decides to do all he can in order to calm the sorceress's wrath and intends to hand over those involved in the assassination to show the Garden's sincerity. Cid refuses to do so, and as a result, an all-out war breaks out between those who side with NORG, and those who side with the Headmaster.

NORGs cocoon
NORG's cocoon after being defeated.
After losing the battle, NORG summons Squall and his party to his chambers and explains his fear of the sorceress and his plan to hand them over to her in order to save "his" Garden. When Squall refuses to obey NORG and outright declares the Garden doesn't belong to him, NORG goes mad and, driven by obsession and selfishness, attacks the SeeDs. Defeated and despairing, NORG closes himself away in a cocoon-like form.

NORG isn't seen again after his defeat, but if the player visits NORG's chamber again, they can meet a couple of Shumi who intend to retrieve the cocoon and apologize for NORG's behavior. "

Basically he was afraid of the sorceress.

Why are those of questionable quality? If it's something to the same extent as NORG, it's probably beccause you already forgot a lot about the game. FF8 has a very cool kind of story structure in that a lot of the twists are foreshadowed way before they happen and if you don't make the connections after the twists happen you are not going to even understand the plot(many people still have no clue why Irvine failed to shoot Edea.. simply because when the orphanage twist happened they didn't think back to disc 1 to connect the dots), for example the fact that Irvine doesn't shoot Edea is an allusion to his memories of the orphanage. "Edea's" speech is an allusion to Ultimecia being in control and an establishment of her motivations:
"...Lowlifes. ...Shameless filthy wretches. How you celebrate
my ascension with such joy. Hailing the very one you have
condemned for generations. Have you no shame? What happened to
the evil, ruthless sorceress from your fantasies? The
cold-blooded tyrant that slaughtered countless men and destroyed
many nations? Where is she now? She stands before your very eyes
to become your new ruler"

it's kinda like the thing where Tifa lies about Cloud's memories being right when he falsely recalls them in Kalm. Her confusiion will only make sense later after you learn about the truth. FF8 story is basically a collection of that kind of storytelling, very subtle.

Oh wanna bring up why the crowd cheers as Edea openly threatens them. I got answers.
78  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality. on: May 01, 2014, 03:41:07 PM
Yeah, I have to agree that the plot of FF8 was kind of not good. Just a bunch of loose plot elements thrown together into something only mildly coherent. The worst bit to me was the whole thing with Rinoa getting taken over by Ultimecia which would mean she's also a sorceress except that fact stays relevant for only as long as it takes the party to rescue her.

Pretty much describes every plot element in the game, it only contributes to the story until the story no longer needs it to contribute.

If FFXII's battle system was too much like FFXI's, then magic might actually be worth a damn. As it stands, its pretty dull unless you play on Active Mode with limited gambits, but then the later fights become impossible.

Why would they continue to refer that she was a sorceress? Was there any reason to? Does the game have to scream, hey you are a sorceress every second after the issue is resolved?
Obviously the fact that she was a sorceress was kept a secret from the general public or she would be ostracized otherwise. The information that she is a sorceress is safe with her friends and Laguna, the president of Esthar.
Ultimecia was a product of the discrimination against sorceresses, hated and driven mad by her contemporaries disdain against her resulting in her isolation and lonelyness(not to mention the prophecy that she was going to be killed by the legendary SeeD).. She ended up perpetuating her suffering by unwillingly establishing the loop of her own failure.

As far as NORG goes.. It's an inoffensive plot thread, is it the fact that he is a big yellow fat thing that annoys people lol?
He comes from the Shumi Village, a village full of those beings and they are established as having sentience and intelligence. It's just a different species I don't see anythng wrong with it.

FF8 is a weird game, I'll give you that but it's more quirky aspects don't affect me at all.

Oh also regarding the assassination failure.. Irvine was the only one who hadn't used GF's up until he met the party so he still had memories of the orphanage, he hesitated in killing Edea because he still remembered her as their matron, their mother essentially... so yeah there you go.
79  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: A Game Journal Reborn on: May 01, 2014, 11:52:30 AM
Playing Nier 4 hours in.. Did all the sidequests  so far but I think Ill just progress with the main story. I hear you need to collect all the weapons for some endings? Are these endings C and D worth getting?
80  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Random and Amazing Pictures, Please! on: May 01, 2014, 07:38:09 AM
81  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: FINAL FANTASY XV, This is a fantasy based on reality. on: May 01, 2014, 06:46:57 AM
I just want the story to not be as terrible as FF8 and the combat not as boring as FF12.

Is that too much to ask?

I liked the story to FF8 and the combat to FF12 so I guess yes.

+1
I dislike the orphanage twist as much as anyone but that's not enough to ruin the brilliance of other plot threads.
82  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Misc. Gaming News Topic on: April 30, 2014, 08:09:45 PM
Sad news, RIP.
83  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: What's the haps? on: April 30, 2014, 07:52:55 PM
Teenagers' skin and teeth freak me out so much.

why?
84  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Misc. Gaming News Topic on: April 30, 2014, 07:48:25 PM
I still think X-2 is canon though. Sorry. :P

I'm in the disregard Word of God completely and accept the actual work itself, even if I don't like it, camp.

Yeah, that's fine, completely subjective, there is no one "truth".
Still bro fist level presidential because I think you can atleast get my position even if you don't necessarily agree.
85  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Misc. Gaming News Topic on: April 30, 2014, 07:39:55 PM
No one likes the Word of God.

What xD? I fail to make sense of these words in the present context.

The Word of God.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod

Exactly.. That's one of the points I was trying to get across.

Yeah, I'm agreeing with you.

/hugs
and
86  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Misc. Gaming News Topic on: April 30, 2014, 07:37:36 PM
No one likes the Word of God.

What xD? I fail to make sense of these words in the present context.

The Word of God.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod

Exactly.. That's one of the points I was trying to get across.
87  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Misc. Gaming News Topic on: April 30, 2014, 07:34:55 PM
No one likes the Word of God.

What xD? I fail to make sense of these words in the present context.
88  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Misc. Gaming News Topic on: April 30, 2014, 07:30:43 PM
Sorry, at the end of the day, you know ffx2 is canon,is part of the story, and will always have an influnce on whatever future additions to the FFX universe are made. Closing your eyes and saying "nah nah nah nah nah nah" isn't changing it.

Hmm so what?
It doesn't impede me from ignoring it just like a creator can declare anything he made as non-canon. Once again I think this is just a difference in perspective. I don't really care for the "status quo" of officiality. The works of fiction are there and I can interpret them however I want, atleast I do that myself.

Besides I see each entry of a series as it's own thing with it's own merits and flaws, a sequel won't "ruin" the others.. that's not how I work.

Respect the work enough to acknowledge it, cuz not for nothing,I don't see too many creations of yours out there for others to tear apart and ridicule, and if so, I'm pretty sure every hurtful jerk out there calling it a joke and disregarding it would be a lovely kick in the balls for you. You may not like it, but who are you to ignore it?

I know FF X-2 exists and I accept that it exists.. but personally I choose to ignore it just like the writers can snap their fingers and say it was a dream(imagine if they did that and you actually liked x-2)??!!! I believe that both writers and readers have agency in a work of fiction, in the way it is interpreted or consumed, not created(even though it can happen).. In fact writers acknowledge that their work will be interpreted in different ways by different people, a fiction does not belong to the writer or the reader, it belongs to our "culture" like scientific discoveries and such. I respect the creators and acknowledge their hard work and they deserve credit/scrutiny for what they put out but it doesn't mean that I am forced to consume or accept it lol.

How dare you for disregarding/ignoring/deciding not to play every single game you never played!!! THE NERVE lol
89  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Misc. Gaming News Topic on: April 30, 2014, 07:23:06 PM
Sorry, at the end of the day, you know ffx2 is canon,is part of the story, and will always have an influnce on whatever future additions to the FFX universe are made. Closing your eyes and saying "nah nah nah nah nah nah" isn't changing it.

Hmm so what?
It doesn't impede me from ignoring it just like a creator can declare anything he made as non-canon. Once again I think this is just a difference in perspective. I don't really care for the "status quo" of the fiction, it's malleable and ever changing, it's intrinsically connected to subjectivity imo. The works of fiction are there and I can interpret them however I want, atleast I do that myself.

Besides I see each entry of a series as it's own thing with it's own merits and flaws, a sequel won't "ruin" the others.. that's not how I work.
90  The Rest / General Discussions / Re: Misc. Gaming News Topic on: April 30, 2014, 07:14:44 PM
Yeah sure, each to it's own.
I don't see anything offensive about ignoring a sequel though or consider it to be an alternative universe/timeline or whatever. Im not forced to consume the fiction I don't want to right? It's not about covering my eyes and ears, it's about choosing what I want to experience.  I haven't played X-2 for the record based on that principle even though I kinda want to  because the battle system seems to be great.

Just a thought experiment. Imagine that Kojima loses his mind and declares every single Metal gear except for the upcoming PP and GZ as non canon. Would you take it just because it's "official"?
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