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5281  Media / Single-Player RPGs / 1up rumor: REAL, console PE3 still coming on: June 26, 2007, 11:46:04 AM
I'd like an English version of Policenauts.

As for PE3, I hope hope hope hope hope it's true.
5282  The Rest / General Discussions / GameIndustry.biz writer rips into Manhunt 2 on: June 25, 2007, 04:17:28 PM
Personally, I think TT should set up their own online distribution system.

Advertise it, package and sell it themselves, circumventing places like EB altogether.

At least with the AO version.

Somebody who orders by credit card can have their DOB checked before they complete the order.
5283  The Rest / General Discussions / GameIndustry.biz writer rips into Manhunt 2 on: June 25, 2007, 12:14:08 PM
Quote from: "Leyviur"
The potential damage that might be caused by the game releasing is greater than the potential damage that the game not releasing might cause. Maybe you're right in that there is no positive effect in keeping it under the rug, and maybe you're not, but even then we're still going to have to choose the lesser of two evils. In this case, it's not letting Rockstar ruin it for all of us.


You and Eusis have made the same point - and I understand what you're saying. In the short term, we may be better off. I think in the long run, that no positive effect will come out of it.

Quote from: "Leyviur"
Besides that, using JT and his ilk as a gauge is a bad move for ANY argument, since he's now a complete laughingstock.


Well, that's a fair point - since even Fox News can see through him now. (Or was it MSNBC?)

Quote from: "Lard"
A) abusing a child - that's not a speech issue at all. You're getting into rape laws, which is a different kettle of fish altogether.

What if the child agreed to it? Or maybe some asshole is gonna say "it's artistic nudity! FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS YEAAHHHHH!"[/quote]

Still age of consent laws to deal with.
5284  The Rest / General Discussions / GameIndustry.biz writer rips into Manhunt 2 on: June 25, 2007, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: "Leyviur"

Quote from: "Lard"
The point I've been trying to make all along is that it's not an either/or case.

Okay, now we can have a debate. My response is that the world isn't black and white like you apparently think it is. THere's a whole mess of gray areas in EVERYTHING. Even the smallest things have gray areas. Sometimes you just have to make a sacrifice for the greater good. This is one of those times.


Eusis made the same argument, and while I understand the point, this is *not* a time where things should be sacrificed.

Once Thompson and his ilk see that (or think that) they wield some power over the ESRB, they're going to run screaming over anything they don't like and scrutinising every single game that comes out. (And I *have* been saying this since the first page)

This is partially a fight about Manhunt, and it's partly about not letting anybody get a foot in the door regarding the ESRB. That's why it's more black and white than you (and others) think.

Quote from: "Lard"
And, honestly, comparing child porn to a video game is like calling someone a nazi. It's old, lame and misses the point entirely.

Actually, it's quite effective. You're going on about free speech, I'm taking your ideal to the next level. It's funny how incremental free speech can get. Like you said, give an inch, take a mile.[/quote]

It's a completely different situation. It's

A) abusing a child - that's not a speech issue at all. You're getting into rape laws, which is a different kettle of fish altogether.

B) Manhunt isn't being marketed to/nor does it feature children (as far as I know) It's made for adults by adults, featuring adults.
5285  The Rest / General Discussions / GameIndustry.biz writer rips into Manhunt 2 on: June 25, 2007, 11:07:47 AM
Quote from: "Dincrest"

Meh, I just think Rockstar Games is pandering to the lowest common degenerate denominator in much the same way that many Japanese developers do with their often degenerate hentai games.  Seriously, the stuff you find in many of those games is some of the sickest, most twisted filth shit in gaming.  And there are more H-games than most anything else in Japan, if I'm not mistaken.  


The Simpsons reference is a good one actually.

The point I've been trying to make all along is that it's not an either/or case.

You either have free speech or you don't. It's not incremental. The only cases where it *is* incremental is when it's being taken away.

And, honestly, comparing child porn to a video game is like calling someone a nazi. It's old, lame and misses the point entirely.
5286  The Rest / General Discussions / GameIndustry.biz writer rips into Manhunt 2 on: June 25, 2007, 11:00:13 AM
Quote from: "Lucid"
Lard, so far you haven't made much of any kind of argument. You've stated what you believe, and that you think your view is correct, however the opposing views you've childishly labeled, and just lambasted as ignorant or whatever else without providing a why or counterpoint. It's been 'You're wrong I'm right". So why bother joining the discussion if you consider your opinion the penultimate one? If you have an opinion, cool, but after you've stated it you can continue a thoughtful argument or be done with it. Instead you've chosen to throw pedantic one liners at people that have no relevance to the discussion at hand. Calling someone a coward doesn't give any insight into anything here, and makes you just seem insecure about your own opinion. These boards have a reputation for carrying more mature conversation(usually), so if you can't at least try to be cool with that then maybe you'd be happier somewhere else like gamefaqs or 4chan.


I've made an argument the best I could

Or at least tried to counter Eusis' argument that censorship is okay sometimes...(because he's the only one who's even tried to actually have a conversation without just dismissing the topic at hand)

And been met with:

 "I'm not interested in it, so it doesn't matter if it's banned."

"It's not a work of art, so it should be banned"

"Who gives half a dog's shit?"

I'm not taking all the blame here. (Nor am I blameless)
5287  The Rest / General Discussions / GameIndustry.biz writer rips into Manhunt 2 on: June 25, 2007, 09:49:19 AM
Nothing as deep as "who gives half a dog's shit", no.
5288  The Rest / General Discussions / GameIndustry.biz writer rips into Manhunt 2 on: June 25, 2007, 09:22:56 AM
No, it doesn't.

And you're a coward for saying so.
5289  The Rest / General Discussions / GameIndustry.biz writer rips into Manhunt 2 on: June 25, 2007, 08:30:39 AM
I tried making a valid argument and got responses like

"Games like Manhunt really aren't my cup of tea. So if a game were to fall to the rating boards, this one might as well be our pariah."

"Games like this give other games that would otherwise have some legitimate form of artistic expression a strike against them already, making it even HARDER for those games to get approval from those who vote on these matters. "


which are ignorant and hypocritical. And certainly not intelligent or well thought out.

And of course, there's the old minefield of one person what's art and what's not. Apparantly Sensei is allowed to dictate to everyone what games are artistic expressions and which ones aren't.

Quote from: "Eusis"
You're just brainlessly thinking 'CENSORSHIP BAD CENSORSHIP BAD' without considering that extreme attitude could really just force the government to impose real censorship. Look at my exercise analogy, if the game industry just throws around a bunch of games that go to the absolute extreme possible, then it'll blow up in everyone's faces and there may be real laws that force censorship. And if it's not that, then it could be retailers dropping to T rated games to cover their ass or whatever.


The problem with nutjob religious zealots and assclown crusaders like Jack Thompson is that if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile.

If they score one victory, it's not going to make them back off. It's going to make them confident - scrutinising every single game out there for things that they don't like.

Better to give them no victory at all.
5290  The Rest / General Discussions / GameIndustry.biz writer rips into Manhunt 2 on: June 25, 2007, 12:07:32 AM
How else can you respond to something as idiotic as being pro censorship?
5291  The Rest / General Discussions / GameIndustry.biz writer rips into Manhunt 2 on: June 24, 2007, 11:31:29 PM
It makes me sad to see that this forum is pro censorship. I thought you were video game fans.
5292  The Rest / General Discussions / GameIndustry.biz writer rips into Manhunt 2 on: June 24, 2007, 04:38:52 PM
It's been heading that way for the last year or so - Manhunt 2 certainly wasn't the cause of it.
5293  The Rest / General Discussions / GameIndustry.biz writer rips into Manhunt 2 on: June 24, 2007, 04:13:58 PM
You can't go around saying "one kind of censorship is okay and another isn't."

Games are games.

Just because *you* don't like the idea does *not* make it okay to be banned.

It should bother you, because the last thing we need is fuckers like Jack Thompson getting a foothold in the ESRB
5294  The Rest / General Discussions / GameIndustry.biz writer rips into Manhunt 2 on: June 24, 2007, 01:48:46 PM
Saying "it probably sucks - let it be banned" is advocating censorship - not matter how you try and spin it.
5295  The Rest / General Discussions / GameIndustry.biz writer rips into Manhunt 2 on: June 24, 2007, 11:39:59 AM
Quote from: "Sensei Phoenix"
Y'know, here's an idea. Rather than making this an issue of "freedom vs. censorship" why not take a stand as a gamer and say, hey, I recognize that Rockstar is just trying to go over the edge to get media attention, and I'm not gonna fall into their trap.

So let's decry this as a shitty game that we aren't going to buy, rather than as a bastion of free speech.


Then release it and let it bomb. Saying it's okay to censor it is just giving them all the attention they want. If the game sucks, word of mouth will spread quickly. Whether you like it or not, it *is* an issue of freedom vs. censorship now.
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