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5566  The Rest / General Discussions / Manchester Cathedral upset over Resistance: Fall of Man on: June 10, 2007, 10:15:07 AM
Quote from: "Ramza"
You're so wrong Lard.

1) it's not a cash grab because there's no way in hell the church would win a law suit against SONY. Remember, it's free to threaten to sue, but it costs money to try to sue.

The Church of England is considering legal action against entertainment firm Sony for featuring Manchester Cathedral in a violent PlayStation video game.

Really? It looks to me like they're going to sue - or try and get a settlement. Cash Grab.

2) it's not a cash grab because what the people @ Manchester Cathedral really want is to not have the cathedral in games where there's violence. If you think there's some ulterior motive, than I think you've lost touch with reality.

But the Church said Sony did not ask for permission to use the cathedral and has demanded an apology and the removal of the game from shop shelves - otherwise it will consider legal action.

I'm sorry - *censorship* and a cash grab.

3) there are big differences between this instance, and say, using the NYC skyline or the "Escape From" movies. For one, the films you mentioned would have gotten permission (and even had PLENTY OF COOPERATION) from relevant government officials, etc. Apparently, Sony did not get permission from Manchester, so that's one difference. Next, I doubt Manchester officials are joking or exaggerating when they say that there has been gun violence in their community and it legitimately frightens them. Not that NYC or LA *doesn't* have gun violence, but it also happens that we here in America are big fans of glorifying it.


Look. A building is not copyright. I don't need permission to draw a picture of a church. If I paint a picture of a church, and sell it, I don't need the church's permission.

If I draw the same church being burned down by some fanatic Norwegian black metal fan, and sell it, I don't need the church's permission.

If I decide to make a horror game, put a church in which several young children eat somone and then hang themselves, sell it, I don't need the church's permission.

A building is not copyright. THe Church is simply trying to go for a cash grab and bully Sony because they think they can get away with it.
5567  Media / Miscellaneous Games / Sci-Fi Racers, recommendations? on: June 10, 2007, 08:16:53 AM
Yeah, the gameplay and soundtracks on Wipeout are great.

Photek? Check!
5568  The Rest / General Discussions / Manchester Cathedral upset over Resistance: Fall of Man on: June 10, 2007, 08:12:24 AM
Quote from: "Ramza"
I feel like none of you have any tact in this situation. Imagine being the people who attend that Cathedral on a regular basis, and then discovering media like Resistance: Fall of Man exists and is readily available for your teens. It would shock you.


No. It's got nothing to do with "sensitive" people and how they'd react.

This is a simple cash grab on the part of the church.

The endless amounts of games featuring Germany as Nazi "bad guys" no doubt pisses them off.

Eusis' example of the cathedral in Franch in Eternal Darkness is an excellent point.

Next you're going to tell me that NY can sue Rockstar for using the NY city skyline.

How is this *any* different from movies like Escape From NY/LA or any disaster movie that features a real life location?

It's not.

This is a simple cash grab because video games are under attack from everywhere nowadays, and the church probably figures they can at least get as far as a settlement, with Sony paying them off, because they'll probably lose.

As for Sony - they *are* the good guy - because they didn't do anything wrong.

We have no taste in this situation?

You need to lighten up.
5569  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Suikoden General topic on: June 10, 2007, 03:32:15 AM
Quote from: "Lucid"
I like how they adeptly portray politics in the games. That was the only real let down of III for me, it didn't have much of a political atmosphere. it made up for it with the characterization of the villain though.


I thought they did fairly well with political stuff in Chris' story, never mind Thomas' - which was largely political.
5570  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Re: How are the PSP RPGS anyway? on: June 10, 2007, 02:58:17 AM
Quote from: "Morwan"
If you haven't played Ys VI or Valkyrie Profile yet, you should definitely pick them up. I really enjoyed Ys, and you can drastically reduce the load times by playing it off the memory stick instead of the UMD.


Well, I played VP on the PS1 ages and ages ago, so I'm not in a rush to get to it yet, but I will eventually. Thanks though.

I probably will check out Ys at some point.
5571  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Suikoden General topic on: June 10, 2007, 02:56:38 AM
What I liked about III is that they tried a whole bunch of new things.

If you can get past the Lego people style walking of the characters, it's a great game.

Granted, the battle system is pretty broken, which is what makes it good - instead of great.

Six people in your party and you only control three? Ass.

Your fire spell harms....your party? Ass.

The game itself had a serious payoff for fans of the first two games, and they seemed to really try to push the boundaries of the past two games.

III gets alot of flack, but no way in hell is it worse than IV.
5572  The Rest / General Discussions / Manchester Cathedral upset over Resistance: Fall of Man on: June 10, 2007, 01:44:13 AM
They're bitter because Sony didn't ask "permission" to use the cathedral.

I'm sure Germany can now turn around and sue every WWII FPS maker that exists today!

Let's clog the courts with useless lawsuits like this one!
5573  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Suikoden General topic on: June 10, 2007, 01:36:21 AM
What the hell was wrong with Thomas?

And the CORRECT ranking is II, III, V/I, IV
5574  Media / The Soundroom / s0nG oF tEh mOmEnt on: June 09, 2007, 01:44:57 PM
Napalm Death - Incinerator.

Even though it's a cover, it's still one of my favourite NP songs.
5575  Media / Anime, TV, and Movies / Recently Viewed Movies on: June 09, 2007, 01:42:41 PM
The Messengers - which was better than I expected.
5576  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Suikoden General topic on: June 09, 2007, 01:30:51 PM
That doesn't excuse the name.

I just hope that Suikoden VI picks up after where Suikoden III left off.
5577  Media / Single-Player RPGs / How are the PSP RPGS anyway? on: June 09, 2007, 01:29:19 PM
Quote from: "KeeperX"
If you like beat-em-ups, both X-Men Legends and Marvel Ultimate Alliance are worth a run-through on the PSP.  Lenneth is a great pick.  Most of the stuff I play for my PSP tends to not be RPGs, though.  Both Metal Gear Ac!d games are great, and cheap, now.


I'm more interested in MGS Portable Ops, as I *loved* MGS3.

Is XMen Legends anything like Age of Apocaplypse? I played that on PS2 and enjoyed it.

I don't know Gurumin - but I'll look into it, thanks.

I haven't forgotten about Crisis Core, but that's ages away yet.
5578  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Suikoden General topic on: June 09, 2007, 05:22:18 AM
Quote from: "KeeperX"
Concrete donkey.  Also, test post - the boards seem to be having issues with the e-mail system.


I keep getting error messages about debug mode when I post.

Like this

Ran into problems sending Mail. Response: 504 LOGIN mechanism not supported

DEBUG MODE

Line : 126
File : smtp.php
5579  Media / Single-Player RPGs / How are the PSP RPGS anyway? on: June 09, 2007, 05:17:17 AM
I've heard Ys is good but has brutal load times.

Poplocrois is good but pretty "trad".

Tales.....I'm not sure I'll bother with.

Breath of Fire 3 - I'll probably run through it once for fun. Been ages since I've played it.

Am I leaving anything out?

(Besides the obvious homebrew PS1 games)
5580  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Suikoden General topic on: June 09, 2007, 04:54:17 AM
Quote from: "Eusis"

To be fair, I really don't see this as a series that would've entertained her. She's purely for gameplay, and while Suikoden's generally serviceable and sorta fun... Without the plot and characters you're left with, depending on the installment an average or slightly sub-par RPG with a character recruitment gimmick.


I wouldn't say that's quite fair....I quite like the battle system in Suiko.
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