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1921  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Rumour - Kingdom Hearts 3 PS3 exclusive and will be at TGS. on: September 03, 2008, 05:48:26 PM
Quote from: "Hidoshi"
Again, "fun" is a very wide blanket term. Is it mindless fun? (Trigger Heart Exelica is 'fun' in this sense, but it's not what I'd call a great shooter compared to Ikaruga.) Is it sensual fun? (Hi there dating sims!) There's variations even on this theme, so I'd say much more careful consideration has to be given for a fair review before you could really approach 'editor's choice'.

An example: I consider Persona: Revelations 'fun', and I had a good time with it. But I could never score it very well because despite the great enjoyment I derived from the game, it's /not/ technically well made, the translation is horrible, and there are far better games out there not only in its genre, but in its own series. Conversely, Persona 2 is a far better game, and I had fun with that too, but for some reason not  as much fun as Persona: Revelations -- yet I would score Persona 2 much higher for its actual merits.

Addendum: I do want to make it clear however that I'm not saying you need to throw a wide net. That only accomplishes the reverse, which is writing a colourless, pale review that does nothing to explore the game from the viewpoint of a satisfied (or dissatisfied) customer, and reflects none of the personal experience. Merely that you need a net wider than "fun".


I getcha. Just merely saying that if I find a game fun it will at least be a somewhat positive review. I just happen to think KH2 is a very well made game that also happens to be very fun. Great voice acting, dominant music, pretty good story, excellent graphics at the time, and combat that is fun = editor's choice in my book.
1922  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Rumour - Kingdom Hearts 3 PS3 exclusive and will be at TGS. on: September 03, 2008, 04:25:44 PM
Quote from: "Hidoshi"
That's the issue though -- while I agree with the maxim that games should be /fun/, you have to go beyond fun and start looking at the genre as a whole, the technical execution of the game (not just in terms of software, but in terms of writing, direction, etc), and so on. The more you do this, the closer you can get to something thoughtful as a review.

It helps to know a bit of history too. People laud MGS4 without considering its genre, or its series. As a standalone product it might seem good, but so does bad food if you completely forget you ever tasted anything better. It's like claiming a McDonald's hamburger is better than a properly prepared rack of ribs. The food may taste 'better' to you, but you haven't done the proper thinking involved when considering its actual quality, versus your comfort zone.

Just my two cents.


I know all these things, I just think fun is the most important aspect because it's the entire reason we play video games in the first place.
1923  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Rumour - Kingdom Hearts 3 PS3 exclusive and will be at TGS. on: September 03, 2008, 03:02:48 PM
Quote from: "Hidoshi"
Quote from: "Blace"
Well you all can shove it cuz I love KH :P. I'm pretty sure Pat does as well considering he gave KH2 an editor's choice, which I would have done the same.


That's... great. But defend your choice at least. If you want to make an argument that is. It's kind of silly to claim you'd give such and such a game an ed's choice award without really explaining /why/.

But hey, I get the distinct feeling you and I would not enjoy the same kinds of games, nor do we subscribe to the same kind of reasoning. I for one think MGS4 is subpar for its series and genre, for example, despite its high production values and well-directed cinematics.


Yeah I'd say we probably don't enjoy the same type of games and have different reasonings for liking/disliking games.

As for my reasoning on liking KH2, it's simple: fun. I had so much fun playing through that game and I still don't think to this day I have played a game since KH2 came out that was as fun. I played that game for 40 hours within the first 3 days of release, something I still haven't matched since then. Closest I guess would be the 20 hours I poured into MGS4 in 2 days. What a coincidence :P
1924  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Rumour - Kingdom Hearts 3 PS3 exclusive and will be at TGS. on: September 03, 2008, 01:48:36 PM
Well you all can shove it cuz I love KH :P. I'm pretty sure Pat does as well considering he gave KH2 an editor's choice, which I would have done the same.
1925  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Rumour - Kingdom Hearts 3 PS3 exclusive and will be at TGS. on: September 03, 2008, 10:38:33 AM
I've never seen so many negative comments for KH in a single thread before. I freakin love those games.
1926  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Rumour - Kingdom Hearts 3 PS3 exclusive and will be at TGS. on: September 03, 2008, 12:38:01 AM
Well, Sony needs *something* to counteract all these new exclusive RPG's on the 360. I'm not gonna believe it till its official.
1927  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Infinite Undiscovery on: September 02, 2008, 06:06:49 PM
http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/944B7C03-65C5-4066-AE4E-B71F7CE7CAE9.htm
1928  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Valkyrie Profile: The Accused One on: September 02, 2008, 06:01:57 PM
Gameplay!

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/39419.html
1929  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Tales of Vesperia - Special Edition on: September 02, 2008, 03:15:27 PM
Quote from: "mizuki_no_beatdown"
Dice's sig has made me curious...  
 
 Is there a voice-over option in ToV? What I've heard of the NA voices hasn't been my style.  Especially after ToTA's great dub.
 
 
 Can't wait to get back to Louisiana and see if my house and X360 are okay.
House comes first, but only by a little.


I actually think Vesperia has the best voice over work in the series so far.
1930  Media / Single-Player RPGs / Infinite Undiscovery on: September 02, 2008, 03:14:27 PM
Quote from: "mizuki_no_beatdown"
Anybody here picking this up today?


I did, but I have work and don't get to try it until tonight.
1931  The Rest / General Discussions / RPGFan Gaming Journal: The Road to Infinity on: September 02, 2008, 12:28:32 AM
I've played Tales of Vesperia for 15 hours now. Digging it so far, although the air of familiarity is definitely there. Oh well, still a great game.
1932  Media / Anime, TV, and Movies / Recently Viewed Movies Episode 2: The Vampire Bites Back on: September 01, 2008, 11:54:52 PM
Quote from: "Adapheon"
I watched 28 days later for the bazillionth time. It's still a pretty awesome movie. I really wish the sequel wasn't complete ass.


Wow I never thought I'd find another 28 Weeks Later hater. I thought that movie blew as well, but all my friends liked it and so did the critics. 28 Days Later is WAY better.
1933  The Rest / General Discussions / Kevin Pereira defends Too Human on: August 31, 2008, 07:25:08 PM
So we agree it isn't always bad, but I'm still going to say this: the reason PSO is better than Too Human even though they both only have 4 levels is because PSO didn't scale, it had difficulty settings. Meaning if you wanted the challenge, you just got on a bigger difficulty. I think that's what Too Human should have done.
1934  The Rest / General Discussions / Kevin Pereira defends Too Human on: August 31, 2008, 05:41:20 PM
Quote from: "daschrier"
Scaling is stupid in a hack and slash.

One of the appeals of the game is to watch your character grow and destroy the enemies.

With the monsters always the same strength as you, what's the point.


I did just buy Too human and put in about an hour.

The camera does suck pretty bad, but it's fun so far.

Scaling was done in Oblivion so that the player could explore any part of the world whenever they wanted, you can't really compare Too Human and Oblivion.


You explained that far better than I did. Good job. :)
1935  The Rest / General Discussions / Kevin Pereira defends Too Human on: August 31, 2008, 03:33:03 PM
Quote from: "Parn"
Quote from: "Blace"
The enemies scaling to you was definitely a retarded move. There's no sense of satisfaction from leveling up because you're always going to be the same level as the monsters.

And yet, your favorite game this console generation is Oblivion, a game that features enemies that scale in level.

Oh, OK.


Yes, the enemies did scale in that game and it was one of the very few things about it I didn't like, but since the game wasn't freakishly difficult like Too Human it didn't affect me too much. I still had a very fun time with Oblivion.
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