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1921  The Rest / General Discussions / Forced Abortions in China on: September 07, 2007, 06:49:09 AM
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He faced a fine of $660 to $1,330 for not having gotten a family planning permit in advance, so he treated Di to the Peking duck lunch on Aug. 15, 2000, hoping to escape with a lower fine since this was his first child.


This probably wouldn't have happened if the couple just went ahead and paid the fine instead of trying to get out of it by bribing the officials with a dinner. I'm gonna go with being an asshole and say that the parents are partially to blame here (Not that I don't think this whole thing is disgusting, just stating the fact that the citizens are just as ready to manipulate the system as the officials are).

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Zhai Zhenwu, a sociology professor at the People's University Institute of Demographic Studies in Beijing, said that while forced, late-term abortions do still occur sporadically, they have fallen sharply.


Is the argument here just that "current China sucks", which I agree with to an extent, or "they're not improving", which you know they are obviously trying to do.

Like Leyviur said...it's obvious from this article that this is the result of corrupt officials and not the fault of the PRC itself that led to an event like this. Though it's pretty clear that this article is written in such a way that if you just skim it, you'll think "omg china forces people to abort babies" or something along that line.
1922  The Rest / General Discussions / Wow.....China bans reincarnation w/o goverment approval on: September 07, 2007, 06:31:45 AM
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The Dalai Lama has already said that he would accept Tibet as an Autonomous Region, provided it was actually autonomous. Interference in spiritual affairs however, is not permissible. That much should be determined by the at-home culture. Further, there has to be large political standing given to minority groups, especially where industrialisation and commercialisation are considered, as well as human rights. These things are still heavily lacking in the PRC structure, and have been since its founding.


The problem with not intervening with the religious system is that the Dalai Lama, as I said before, has tried to go for independence, and Tibet does have a long history of not separating their church and state. Obviously I can't prove the current one has any intention of wanting to do so, since if he outright made it obvious to everyone there'd just be a huge uproar. I believe China is going more for the "Safety first" rule to an extent, but like I said before, I'm not really in agreement with the methods involved, either.

But on the other hand, does it really make a difference who the Dalai Lama is or not? Even if China does get to choose who gets to be the Dalai Lama, either way, he should be just a religious leader and nothing else?

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In regards to the India-China issue, that is debatable. Both are trading partners with the USA, which places them in a bit of an economic obligation. Attacking one another would probably prove extremely unfavourable, especially since both are nuclear powers. Where in a historical context Tibetan occupation may be seen as necessary, it is less so in modern political context. Further, the Chinese occupation has been far more damaging to Tibetan culture than was ever necessary merely to keep a border closed.


Well expanding on that, Tibet would not only be with India, but more importantly, Tibet would be more pro-America if anything. Indeed, the world is at peace for the most part, especially when it involves any kind of nuclear power, as it can easily mean the end of the human race if conflicts arise between huge powers like China and America.

However, it doesn't mean there's no tension. Being blunt, China and America arn't on very good terms with each other. They're huge trading partners with one another, but it ends about there (Just from that, actually, there's a lot of tension because America is always criticizing the quality of Chinese products and then ends up having to get them anyway). If Tibet becomes a independent nation, America could easily station troops there. While normally this isn't really a big deal, it doesn't make much strategic sense to constantly keep a potential enemy in your backdoor. Sure, America and China have a very, very small chance of kicking each other's ass, but that's only because it can lead to much larger consequences than just millions of soldier deaths. Tension is there, which is probably why you're rarely seeing any Americans media outlets actively praising China in any way, just a lot of criticism.

I personally think that if China was still weak as hell, the Western nations (and probably Japan, for that matter.) would have no real hesitation to tear up China fast.

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As to the Taiwanese issue: Taiwan is generally better off than the PRC where human rights are concerned. There is a higher standard of living, not only in major cities but in rural areas as well. But even more necessary to cite is the recall issues ongoing in Taiwan. Chen's position is currently being challenged by the Pan-Blue coalition and Shih Ming-te, a very open battle against the administration which could not happen in the PRC.


Oh definitely. Taiwan is miles ahead of China, but keep in mind that so is Hong Kong, but they have no need to break apart completely. While Taiwan has been, for many years, much like an independent nation, there's no real reason at this point to make it official- all that's going to accomplish is pissing a bunch of people off.

Human rights, however, are as open as they can be- it's just that if you state your opinion and it happens to be pan-blue, the government tends to screw you over a lot because the majority of the high ranking officers are pan-green (Except for Taipei Mayor, but it's hard for him to accomplish much on his own).

I'm mostly indifferent to the whole concept of Taiwan independence, but I don't see why the Pan-Green has to go and make it all official if it's just going to cause a lot of needless conflict.
1923  The Rest / General Discussions / Need Some Advice. on: August 21, 2007, 06:32:51 AM
I was going to post this in The Helper Monkey, but I don't think I'm going to get the most out of it there.

I'll try to keep the simple and to the point.

A few months ago I graduated from high school, so I'm about to be separated from one of the few people I've considered a true friend to me. He's been a little annoying for the past few years, but I thought that was just his growth and not really anything to worry about.

Of course, gossip leads me to find out- he's taking Prozac. And he's been taking it for years.

Somehow after I heard this a lot of things seemed to fall into place, he's always been a very nice person, though he lacked a lot of common sense and was, in my opinion, masochistic in many ways. He's the type of person who's constantly worrying about his grades and would be completely depressed over the smallest things (Like a girl turning him down for a dance or something).

Prozac isn't exactly famous for its ability as an effective medication. Many people on Prozac end up killing themselves, or worse- hurting people around them. For all I know this guy I've known for years is just the mask that is put on by his medication, and I've never really met the guy.

The worst part is that he chose an extremely good school to go to, definitely one of the top in the country, and nobody he knows that gives a damn about him is going there.

I fear for the worst, so I'm not really sure what I can do as a friend right now.
1924  The Rest / General Discussions / Wow.....China bans reincarnation w/o goverment approval on: August 21, 2007, 06:01:18 AM
Phew, lots to tackle, so speak up if there's anything important I miss.

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One because neither was a Han government. Jurchans/Manchurians and Mongolians were not part of China proper (and the latter isn't at all), and in fact can be seen as occupying forces. In the Yuan case especially, the Mongolians were seen as an oppressive force who allowed for little actual Chinese involvement in government. Therefore this cannot be a precedent at all.


This can be debated, especially for the Qing government, as the difference between Manchurians and the Chinese are very minute by now. The most famous of Qing emperors, Kangxi, greatly respected Han culture and customs, and was very willing to let the Manchurians and Hans become a melting pot. In fact, my mother can be considered one of these examples, she is about half Manchurian, making me 1/4 so. The Manchurians are very rarely considered separate from Hans as far as I know by now. Hell, most people probably don't even know where Manchuria (used to be) is. Furthermore, the Qing empire was very open to letting the Han people become officials (Of course they were rarely the highest ranking ones, but they were definiately satisfied) as opposed to Yuan, which completely suppressed Han peoples which caused its eventual downfall.

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Secondly, there has never been credible evidence to capitulation on the Tibetan government's part to the Qing authority, and certainly never to a Han Chinese authority. Prior to the Yuan dynasty, the most influence China ever had in Tibetan was the marriage of Wen Cheng to Songtsan Gampo. Being that she was the niece of Emperor Tai-tsung (Li Shih Min) of the Tang Dynasty, this was an important marriage, but has nothing to do with Chinese authority over Tibet.


I believe that was after Tibet was recognized as a sort of client state to China, and the purpose of marrying his niece was to keep the peace, as marriage justifies the Tibetans and the Hans as a family of people (So it was thought, at least).

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The PRC has every interest in controlling Tibetan politics, and by extension, religious and secular affairs. Why is really beyond me, as there is little to be gained through control of Tibet, save perhaps to keep a secure border with India.


That's probably the main reason, since China isn't on the best terms with India. It's the same reason they need North Korea as an ally; North Korea is a "barrier" for China to the North (And of course they realize this so they always know China is going to back them up, as Kim Jong-Il has indeed used to his advantage). If China allowed Tibet's freedom now, they would almost undoubtedly be allied with India, which can spell all kinds of danger for China.

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The point is that China is still way behind in dealing with its modern realities, not the least of which is multiculturalism. It's not just the PRC either, most dynasties after the Tang have had a record of Han conformist policy.


China has had 100 years since the collapse of the Qing to get back on its feet after getting their asses kicked in The eight-country alliance and Opium Wars. The Sino-Japanese War and others didn't help very much, either. It's hard for anyone to expect China to come out and be a super-advanced country as their business allows them to, yet people constantly hold China by the high standards in Western Countries, when they're still licking some of the wounds they have.

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Hence the issues that came to Taiwan, where now most of the island speaks Mandarin despite originally being ethnically and linguistically distinct. I do prefer the Taiwanese government (I know YOU don't, but that's a different argument), yet there are clear effects of this historical policy in action through the ROC as well as the PRC.


Whole different can there, but I sincerely doubt you can convince any non-"Taiwanese" that the Taiwanese government isn't holding up an extremely unfair elitist standard. My mother's family came from outside Taiwan, and even though she was born and raised in Taiwan, the current Taiwanese government feels the need to treat these people like outsiders, simply because their ancestors were not in Taiwan.

They are constantly ruining the lives of those that "don't belong there". A family friend of mine worked for the Taiwanese government, and they forced him to work in Spain, which was basically "You better quit or we'll keep screwing you over" in disguise. Because of this, his wife left him, and he had to return home to take care of his children, losing his job in the process.

The Taiwanese government is screwing up the economy, it's not uncommon to hear entire families commit suicide because of money issues, and kidnappings (especially those of rich travelers) is extremely common. Oftentimes, in fact, your own family members kidnap you and kill you before asking for ransom (Because obviously the kid knows who kidnapped him).

If you've kept up to date anything Chen Sui-Bian has done, you'd know he cheats, lies, and steals. For example, he won his second term by doing things like shooting himself in the leg, and then claiming Chinese spies are attempting to assassinate him, putting all policemen and such on alert, making them unable to vote (Because he knows darn well that the police force in Taiwan is mostly anti-independence). He has stolen money from the government, and accused his opposition of corruption even though the so-called corruption is a loophole through Taiwanese traditions (I can explain more on that if you don't know what I'm talking about).

America may be in support of the Taiwanese government, but they sure as hell look down upon corrupt scum like them.
1925  The Rest / General Discussions / Ultimate Connection Used for Newspapers on: August 21, 2007, 05:36:19 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19832184/wid/11915829?GT1=10150

Who wants to guess how much porn she can download?
1926  The Rest / General Discussions / Wow.....China bans reincarnation w/o goverment approval on: August 21, 2007, 03:09:56 AM
Tibetians arn't Chinese, but thousands of Chinese have lived in Tibet for a long time, and the Dalai Lama (Not sure which number, though) once tried to drive them out in order to establish themselves as an independent country. I doubt China's intention is to delete their culture here, it's just difficult to stop something like this from going out of control without looking like an ass.

The argument here is that Tibet has already arguably strongly established itself as a territory of China for a long time, much like Xinjiang, and China is going to do what it takes to keep it that way. It's not a black-white situation where China is a suppressing evil superpower.
1927  The Rest / General Discussions / Wow.....China bans reincarnation w/o goverment approval on: August 21, 2007, 02:36:41 AM
That's the problem, they need to be able to determine who the Dalai Lama because it wasn't very long ago when the Dalai Lama was both a spiritual and political leader, and strived for independence in Tibet, which China doesn't want.

China isn't just doing this for kicks.
1928  The Rest / General Discussions / Your Video Game Band Name on: August 20, 2007, 11:30:20 PM
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"Now Bear My ARCTIC BLAST"

There, I said it.
1929  The Rest / General Discussions / Wow.....China bans reincarnation w/o goverment approval on: August 20, 2007, 11:03:39 PM
I don't think it's as simple as it seems, the Dalai Lama was driven out of political power several hundred years ago in Tibet, and after a war with India, China successfully regained Tibet. I think this is a (rather inefficient, though) way of preventing the Dalai Lama from attempting to regain political power within Tibet. The Dalai Lama has been working with India to get independence for Tibet for a while now, But that's not really something China is going to allow.

It's not an easy issue, you can't just say "lol china is teh totalitarianism", they have a lot more trouble keeping their regions from going for independence than the US does. The last time that happened was during The American Civil War, and the US wasn't exactly very nice to the South either.
1930  The Rest / General Discussions / Mario: Frustrustion. on: August 12, 2007, 04:41:13 AM
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/video/frustration

To be honest, I'm surprised he gets as far as he does.

My favorite part is where he goes in the pipe.

"Fuck, I should've realized that."
1931  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Any FFXI players still around and Discussion on: August 06, 2007, 09:54:58 AM
I'm taking a short break for now, but yeah, I'm still playing. Level 75 NIN and no other jobs going up really much, so I'm open to doing some stuff with some low level people when I get back to it. I've been doing a lot of endgame stuff mostly, so I only have one high-level job.

FFXI is fun, that's pretty much the reason I've been playing it for 2 1/2 years...or however long its been out, anyway. I think FFXI is really a love-it or hate-it game in a lot of cases, as well as being a huge timesink.

Yeah, exping is a lot easier from mid-levels up now (A good party averages about 10k/hour when you're doing merit parties), but low levels are still just as annoying because nobody is willing to experiment with certain areas, and you end up in overcrowded areas where it's hard as hell to find something to kill.

Compared to other MMOs, the only other one I've played for a relatively extended period of time (to me, at least) is WoW, mainly because I have  a lot of real life friends that also play it. The setting, art style and control for FFXI are what push it for me, I suppose.
1932  Media / Anime, TV, and Movies / 300 recut for PG audiences on: July 05, 2007, 02:14:10 AM
The irony of this is that this would be even more horrifying to children than the actual movie.
1933  Media / Anime, TV, and Movies / .hack anime series on: June 15, 2007, 10:10:31 PM
I enjoyed .Hack//SIGN, but like most people, I found painfully slow-moving and boring a lot of the time. A lot of episodes the characters sit around basically repeating everything that's already known, and the series would have been a lot better on a 13-episode or so format.

One thing that few can deny, though, is that .Hack//SIGN has one of the greatest soundtracks in anime.

Unless you're patient or you can stomach several episodes a day, you probably don't want to watch it.

I watched .Hack//Roots too. I'm a big fan of .hack. Still, this series fell short on a few areas.

First, the characters were pretty shallow. Unlike .Hack//SIGN, which was interesting not only for the story, but also for what you learn about the characters as the series progresses, .Hack//Roots had boring and lame characters most of the time. Probably the worst part of this is that the characters don't feel very human at all, especially the main character. His actions don't make much sense and are overly angsty. The character in SIGN were characters you can actually understand a little. The only character I found really interesting was Phyllo. If the series actually focused on telling you something about the characters rather than keeping all of them mysterious and cool, the series would be decently impacting. The way it is, it's just a normal action series.

Second, the soundtrack was unique and catchy at times, but it kept playing at the most unnecessary of times. It just felt out of place and ruined the mood all the time. It's not particularly good, either. Just really...weird. Well, it's definitely impressive.

Personally I don't think it moves very slowly, especially when compared to SIGN. There's a decent amount of actual action and fighting in the series instead of sitting around talking back and forth. As far as plot pacing goes, it's probably worse than SIGN, mainly because there's no real plot. The entire series is dedicated to setting up things for the game, instead of trying to be its own story like SIGN.
1934  Media / Multiplayer RPGs / Well that's surprising.. on: May 12, 2007, 08:15:56 PM
As far as the past of Vana'Diel goes, it's pretty expansive. Go here if you're interested:

http://www.shadow-ffxi.com/HistoryofVanadiel/

From the looks of it, the point of the expansion is to talk about the stuff during the wars between the three nations. It will probably have some information about the first rise of the Shadow Lord, too.

It might be a good story to tell, but I hope it won't be like Chains of Promathia, which is interesting, but annoying beyond all words to complete. If it comes close to the amount that ToAU added to the game, I'll be happy. It would be interested to learn about the war though, since that can mean better PvP, heh.
1935  The Rest / General Discussions / Name A Forum, 2007 Edition on: February 21, 2007, 08:15:06 PM
Actually, I'm a fan of abstract art too. I just figured that apparently the trend here for our taglines is always along the lines of "sarcastic asshole". :P
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