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 81 
 on: April 16, 2014, 04:59:28 AM 
Started by Ranadiel - Last post by TiamatNM
2. There is absolutely no correlation between the Editor's Choice award and a game's "mainstream appeal." We all love RPGs here. Nobody cares if they're niche or mainstream, we just care if they're good. Conception II is not that good.

http://www.rpgfan.com/boards/index.php?topic=10987.msg256669#msg256669

You can't say nobody does cause the Gungnir reviewer clearly passed on giving out the Editor's Choice due to lack of mainstream appeal.  I understand it's not in the official blurb about Editor's Choice Award on the site but I remembered this one cause I asked about it.

 82 
 on: April 16, 2014, 02:35:27 AM 
Started by Yoda - Last post by Tomara
I never understood the whole "cat person" or "dog person" thing. I think both are awesome. We have 2 sister cats, and they're great. Cats are about as low maintenance as it gets with pets. One of them follows me around all the time, so my wife calls her my dogcat.

I like dogs as well, but with cats you always know where you stand: they like you because you do stuff for them.

Dogs are weird. I babysit my sister's chihuahua sometimes and when it's over at my place it acts like a dog (more or less). I'm the boss and what I say goes. No sitting on my lap when I'm working, no barking at the door and I won't give it its treat before it sits down properly. When it's with my sister, it acts like a spoiled, clingy toddler. I'm suddenly very low in the chain of command and it will even bark at me when I leave.

 83 
 on: April 16, 2014, 01:46:13 AM 
Started by Ranadiel - Last post by ZeronHitaro
Yeah, I think I can see how the 1-Track vs diversity thing would make one particularly more unbearable over the other. So far there hasn't been any other form of comedic attempts aside from said subject material. Honestly I can't really say if Conception II takes itself seriously or not simply because so far there's enough evidence for both sides to have a valid argument.

For example. Early, early on the game exposits about how male Disciples have their power measured by their Ether Count. Even I can tell through the context this is basically set up for a 'sperm count' joke. However there's just 'something' about the delivery and its tone. There are no winks or nods to the audience. No forced press of the subject matter. It flows out unusually naturally and doesn't 'feel' like forced innuendo humor at all. Very much like the whole Crystal Insertion scene from the original Ar Tonelico. It's obvious it has that 'double side', yet the material treats the scene so straight that you have to feel it's sincerely taking itself seriously.

And then it throws pedo-priest-Roshi at the audience not two minutes later and gives us a girl with literal stars in her eyes as, yet again literally, a nun with a gun...
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If you're looking for a 'why' there's really no other honest answer than 'it works'.

Not in a complimentary or praising way mind you, at least by my opinion. Just a fact of the universe that it somehow 'works'.

I've always had the same thoughts of 'why' for all Western comedy sitcom material that endlessly shows anything male as being hopelessly sex-minded, idiotic, and a chronic liar despite being the 'protagonist'.

Strangely, now that I think about it, there's an odd parallel to be drawn here.

 84 
 on: April 16, 2014, 01:32:25 AM 
Started by Dincrest - Last post by Dice
I bought Little Mermaid on Blu-Ray and recently watched it with my bf's niece and I can honestly say I still love it.  "Part of Your World" is my personal favorite with "Kiss the Girl" close behind.  "Under the Sea" is my bf's favorite.  So it had three songs I still sing 25 years later...holy crap that was a long time ago.  I had to google the release date.  Damn I feel old.  Who knows.  Maybe 25 years later adults will be singing "Let It Go. "

Anyways I see The Little Mermaid as being a story about being born in the wrong body and finding the freedom to be who you were truly meant to be.  Of course that is my adult take on it.  I don't think the kid thought about it.

I'm sort of torn.  Your interpretation is about 1,000x better than the one I saw of a girl constantly finding ways to get the slip past her father (maybe that has something to do with me being the occasional prick to my dad).

Monty Python: Quest for the Holy Grail. STILL the funniest fucking movie ever made!  At least IMO...
I can almost recite the movie start to finish.

I think the fact the Monty Python's humour is enduring that's truly amazing.  I nearly flipped my lid when Dragon's Crown had a killer rabbit boss and laughed (and died in-game) for about a minute because I was too distracted by it.

 85 
 on: April 16, 2014, 01:27:01 AM 
Started by Ranadiel - Last post by Dice
Also kinda find it very pot and kettle how many people here railing on Conception II with one fist but used the other to handwave pretty much all of Stick of Truth; which anything South Park is pretty much as juvenile, low-as-you-can-go, bottom of the barrel not-funny humor. I'll point it out again. SoT utilized ABORTION and ANAL RAPE (possibly of a minor; have no desire to research this particular topic but considering how many characters in the SP universe are children I think the odds are good enough to assume this until someone corrects me) multiple times for 'comedy'. Guess what it got? Editor's Choice. And yet Conception II is being ragged because of minor to moderate innuendo? *brain blown*

I don't want to go too in-depth here and I do think it's an *extremely* fair point to bring up South Park.  But I think it's the degree of humour.  South Park is much more diverse in its humour, Conception, from what I've seen/heard is much more one-tracked with titty jokes galore.  I also find it kind of sucks that, dialogue and scene-wise, a lot of the jokes have all been done before whereas South Park makes a point to see how far they can go.  A lot of South Parks attempts at showing nudity is usually showing off the 'ugly' side of it as well, not getting girls in bondage situations or other titillating scenarios.  My issue has been more that we've seen this before, and I don't get why titles like this always seem to get away with the same jokes, same scenarios, and same dialogue about large breasts and the like.

Conception plays perversion for cheap, done-before laughs and excuses to get girls interested in [veiled] sexual relationship with men under the cover of a Teen Rating.  You can't tell me Conception takes itself seriously (or maybe it does), but its out pandering to a specific market.  It shows girls in an unrealistic and cheap way too and puts emphasis on other 'assets' and quirks of theirs, but... eugh, whatever, characterization (I'm more talking about the dialogue than the character models which, hey, interesting new outfits are always fun).

South Park makes a point to be satiracal, crass, and painting the 'ugly truth' in any issue it takes on.  Often times the show served as a critique of 'today' and whatever current events more than it was trying to get simply 'yuks' from slapstick or crazy hijinks.  Also, the probe and abortion scenes were censored to some extent (iirc) but it did sit itself as a 'con' for a number of reviewers.  Otherwise, the show had effectively satirized post-9/11 hyperbole, repeatedly making ironic comedy about racism in many forms, mocking Scientology, and mocking the current state of television numerous times.

Again, I do think you're totally right to the extent of humour the games get into.  But I do think the type of humour and the type of game are quite different as well and respectively aim at a different audience.

EDIT: Also, you make it sound like South Park has *never* been in the news for its content. :P
This show came out in the late 90s, television was still in its family friendly sitcom days.... South Park stirred a TON of shit. x)

Also I know Bravely Default was reviewed by different people for this site but how do you explain that game having a significantly higher graphics score than Conception 2?  I played the demo for both (in Conceptions case I did for both consoles) and I just don't see any way to explain it other than dragging down the graphics score for the Conception 2 review to match up with the 60s it got in the other categories. 

I personally loved how Brave Default is stylized.  It gives off that SaGa Frontier II feel what with the hand drawn backgrounds.

 86 
 on: April 16, 2014, 01:23:29 AM 
Started by Ranadiel - Last post by Embryon
1. Consider that reviews are written by different people with different tastes.

2. There is absolutely no correlation between the Editor's Choice award and a game's "mainstream appeal." We all love RPGs here. Nobody cares if they're niche or mainstream, we just care if they're good. Conception II is not that good.

3. Conception II's in-engine graphics are pretty damn ugly. I'd argue that Bravely Default looks significantly better, despite its intentionally low-fidelity style. That one's a matter of taste, I suppose.

 87 
 on: April 16, 2014, 01:07:20 AM 
Started by Angelo - Last post by kkhohoho
my life has since turned to ruin....i report in from a ditch

my life has since turned to mediocrity... I report in from my parent's home when I should have landed a job, (or rather, not get fired from the old job that I had,) with not much to do but take college classes for a better career.

 88 
 on: April 16, 2014, 12:56:15 AM 
Started by Ranadiel - Last post by TiamatNM
^  I agree about the South Park thing.  I was thinking the same thing and thought how since that's mainstream it's apparently ok.  Back when that review came out I noticed that it got an editor's choice award with a 90% yet I remembered Gungnir also getting a 90% (I just checked and it was 92%) yet that didn't get editor's choice because it wasn't mainstream enough.  Something about "broad appeal" iirc. 

Also I know Bravely Default was reviewed by different people for this site but how do you explain that game having a significantly higher graphics score than Conception 2?  I played the demo for both (in Conceptions case I did for both consoles) and I just don't see any way to explain it other than dragging down the graphics score for the Conception 2 review to match up with the 60s it got in the other categories. 

 89 
 on: April 16, 2014, 12:50:20 AM 
Started by Angelo - Last post by Angelo
@Neal: Of course! It's the most epic of renamings.  "YourAss, make them bleed!"  Do you still play bass?  I'm way late to the party, but I've been learning guitar the last 2 years.  I forgot the sheer joy of performing music all these years, and now I'm once again afraid to perform in front of a crowd, but I'll get over it.  I'm not one of those crazies who buy ocarinas at conventions, but I want to get back to business with my other instruments as well.  I wonder if there are any 80s revival bands who need an alto sax in the area, or a crappy jazz band who needs a crappy clarinet player, or ...someone who doesn't know anything about music aptitude at all who thinks they need an F recorder player.  At any rate, good to hear from you!

(edit: ok, I see you still play bass, but I'll leave it in for posterity. I think it's awesome you still play!)

@Pat: I'm well, my friend. How are you and yours?  I still love music (and especially anime and game music) more than life itself.  Hence my love for Theatrhythm FF.  I just wrote a review of Robotics; Notes for my friend Mike at Anime Herald, and I'm slowly but surely developing the concept and content for my own AD successor.  I hope to be in contact with you (well really, "you guys") soon enough.

@Mickeymac92: what do you plan to do with that..fffffffish~

 90 
 on: April 16, 2014, 12:36:52 AM 
Started by Hidoshi - Last post by Bytor
yes to first, no to second

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