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Re: Recently watched Episodes of TELEVISION BOX offerings!
« Reply #2040 on: September 12, 2017, 12:09:28 AM »
Watched Orville despite it being yet another MacFarlen vehicle for fart jokes and social commentary. Felt like watching a live action episode of Family Guy in Space, especially the part where it was never really funny (maybe worth a chuckle or three, but mostly groans). Unfortunately, from the trailers I've seen of Discovery, this is probably going to be the superior Discount-Star Trek series this fall, especially since this does occasionally take itself seriously at times.
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« Reply #2041 on: September 13, 2017, 09:37:41 AM »
Unfortunately, from the trailers I've seen of Discovery, this is probably going to be the superior Discount-Star Trek series this fall, especially since this does occasionally take itself seriously at times.

That.... I hate to be negative or buy into Internet Outrage, but that's sort of how I am feeling about Discovery, too.  I don't know what to make of it, and there just seems to be one head-scratching decision after another with it.  While The Orville looks honestly much more true to the spirit of Trek, only with a focus on comedy.

Still, I haven't seen either one, so I'll check out Orville ASAP.
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« Reply #2042 on: September 13, 2017, 09:30:46 PM »
Unfortunately, from the trailers I've seen of Discovery, this is probably going to be the superior Discount-Star Trek series this fall, especially since this does occasionally take itself seriously at times.

That.... I hate to be negative or buy into Internet Outrage, but that's sort of how I am feeling about Discovery, too.  I don't know what to make of it, and there just seems to be one head-scratching decision after another with it.  While The Orville looks honestly much more true to the spirit of Trek, only with a focus on comedy.

Still, I haven't seen either one, so I'll check out Orville ASAP.

My opinion on Discovery is that lore-wise, its set basically right before Kirk and Spock do their thing in OG Trek, which already runs into two problems, the first being that its been done with Enterprise (which had its own share of issues plaguing that series until its final cancellation) and the second being that its also occupied time with that Christopher Pike fellow (who also had this Science Officer coincidentally named Spock; although he wasn't the First Officer at that point).

Character-wise, the MC was a human raised and trained by Vulcans which is going to be interesting given the fact that the Vulcans weren't terribly big on their opinion of Humans outside of logical need (and in turn, why the hell did a pair of Vulcans raise a Human in the first place, I'm pretty sure the Federation was big enough at the time to be able to deliver a child back to the nearest Star Base or Colony or something or that a search party might have bothered to spend some time trying to track her and the rest of her ship's crew down or something).

And then Tech-wise, everything looked more Star Wars-y rather than Star Trek-y with a lot of single purpose tech like all the displays at the end of A New Hope that was tracking the Death Star's approach and firing range or the Targeting Computer (its low-fi enough for this one to get away with it) or the Rebel Base's battle plan 'display'. A good example of this being when the ship comes under attack by Klingons, the tactical display gets swamped with Klingon Empire symbols that are far too large to pinpoint any ship's location, nevermind the scenario where the ship comes under attack by, lets say, Romulans instead (or literally anything else). Do they also have to unscrew the Yellow Alert Bulb and replace it with the Red Alert Bulb before they can go to Red Alert? Even TNG was better about it than that, and they only had one bathroom on their entire ship.


Unfortunately, Orville isn't really looking a whole hell of a lot better (and in fact it could be worse as the 'Riding the Donkey' scene demonstrated since the Orville actually manages to demonstrably show itself to have two major advantages over the enemy vessel, one being the general limitation that both ships have with needing to face forward to fire their weapons and the second being the Orville's ability to pass through the enemy ship's structural kibble without incurring damage, return fire or shield collisions; the Orville could've simply parked itself within the enemy ship's rear end and plinked it to death; too bad the show was too busy making a rather weak joke to notice or care (although one could attribute it to the Orville being staffed by idiots; the crew of even the Voyager, these people ain't)).

I suppose this is the season to see the Sci-fi genre's race to the bottom in terms of quality (all we need now is an Irwin Allen style Monster-of-the-Week series and we'd hit peak awful for this generation; too bad Grimm has already come and gone; although we are not lacking for procedural crime-scene investigation dramas with crappy gimmicks).
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Re: Recently watched Episodes of TELEVISION BOX offerings!
« Reply #2043 on: September 14, 2017, 05:23:53 AM »
Like with most things I've kept myself mostly in the dark on STD (okay yeah the proper abbreviation will likely be DIS or something, but did they really expect that level of maturity from the Internets when they came up with that title), so all I know of it is from a couple trailers I've seen, the basic premise, and that parts of the story are influenced by current events.

Not much to say on that last point since that's just like...kind of what I expect from Trek, but I was unimpressed with the trailers I saw. I know it's a tired point and probably unrealistic to want what Trek used to be, but Discovery doesn't really "feel" like Trek going just off the trailers. I really don't understand why they went with the whole prequel angle if they wanted to reintroduce the franchise to a new audience- it'd make a lot more sense to do another jump several decades into the future like TNG did, it would let them dodge cries of bad continuity from super nerds not only in regards to more appropriate tech reflective of the modern day, you also don't have to deal with the clusterfuck of events taking place before TNG (and you get to distance yourself from Enterprise, which is always a positive). Plus newer Trek fans probably have seen the Abrams movies so they at least know about Romulus getting blown to bits by magic black holes.

I guess I'd still still give it a chance since pretty much every Trek series had a lousy start. Plus ultimately the "spirit" of Trek is the exploration of humanity and all that and any nitpicking I do with continuity would just be that. I've heard some weird conflicting things on this, but if I'm not mistaken Nicholas Meyer is still on board the show, so that does inspire some faith from me.

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Re: Recently watched Episodes of TELEVISION BOX offerings!
« Reply #2044 on: September 14, 2017, 08:46:39 AM »
Bottom line for me is that I'll be watching no matter what.  But if they do anything really super dumb, then I'm out.  But I refuse to be that moron that won't even inform his own decision to boycott.
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