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« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2011, 09:20:41 PM »

It may not actually all be staged. I'm sure it's encouraged, but there is a strong belief amongst many DPRK residents that Kim is some kind of benevolent leader. It's screwed up, but hey, you'd probably believe it somewhat too if it's all you were ever taught.

Well it's not all staged but i'd say the majority of people are happier then what they're showing. Who's to know without experiencing the lifestyle? I wonder how many know of a defector, and then how many see them as a traitor. Interesting time's and possibly dangerous times, Whatever happens it's still a country of hostages at this point.
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« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2011, 10:25:25 PM »

Regardless of what anyone says, being "happy" that Kim Jong-il is dead is silly as hell.

What's silly as hell is that you have access to the internet, video games to play, food to eat, and thus have a much more privileged life than most of the world, thus allowing you the elbow room for your self-righteousness.  I know cartoons and JRPGs have taught you that death is terrible and stuff, but when victims have had their entire extended family put into concentration camps and/or executed for the slightest infraction and a few have beaten the odds and escaped from that shithole of a country where stealing food isn't even an option because there's barely any food to steal as just another result of Kim Jong Il's failed leadership, to say that being happy he is dead is silly as hell is utterly ridiculous.

How bad the USA has been in the past or is currently in the present has no bearing on the matter.  His successor could be just as bad and nothing may change there, but the world has one less toolbag and there's plenty of reasons some may be happy about it.

Oh shit, that's right, I totally forgot that since Jong-il's death the borders have opened up, all the people are being reeducated that the US isn't quite the monster it's thought to be, and the whole peninsula is reunited. Oh fuck...no. Nothing's changed. At all, except that one man, part of an entire machine that kept the country in that state, has died. Yeah, and those other people they are totally just going to sit back and let Jong-eun do what he wants.

But that's okay, one is gone. I mean it's so obvious that we all care so much about what is happening in that country, and we clearly all know what we're talking about. Oh, thank you for mentioning the few fortunate people to have escaped and make it out and tell their story, I totally forgot about them, and knowing that obviously makes the whole thing much better. Let me now put a smile on my face for them now that Jong-il is dead, because they still don't have to live with the fear of being caught and sent back to North Korea and face charges of treason.

I also didn't realize my remark had anything to do with death being bad, and lord knows where that comment about cartoons and JRPGs came from, but again, whatever. I'm sure you, being the king of trolls that you are, will come back with some new witty remark to "put me in my place" about how I'm so privileged and blah blah blah, because you know, I'm totally unaware of my status in this world and totally need someone else over the internet to put me in my place. Thanks for that by the way. I also know however, that pretending to be happy for the death of some guy, terrible as he may have been, isn't doing shit for anyone in North Korea, nor myself.

Anyway, don't let me spoil the fun. I can see the door. I hate to sour the party.
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« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2011, 10:40:10 PM »

I see somebody's grumpy today.^_^;

Anyways, I agree with some people are saying that it may not change anything, but at least now there's some ray of hope, as faint as it may be.
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« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2011, 10:45:12 PM »

It may be true that Kim Jong-Il's death will change nothing, but each day he was alive, suffering and horror existed in his country. Now that he's (hopefully) burning in hell for the destruction of the free will of millions, there is some potential for change - little, maybe even miniscule, but the potential is there all the same.

If you think that people shouldn't be happy that a power mad despot is gone from the world, well... sometimes the world really is better off without some people - some DO deserve death. I wouldn't call you self-righteous, but definitely overly idealistic.
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« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2011, 11:38:39 PM »

I wouldn't call you self-righteous, but definitely overly idealistic.

Quoted for mother fucking truth.
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« Reply #50 on: December 21, 2011, 12:16:24 AM »

Regardless of what anyone says, being "happy" that Kim Jong-il is dead is silly as hell.

What's silly as hell is that you have access to the internet, video games to play, food to eat, and thus have a much more privileged life than most of the world, thus allowing you the elbow room for your self-righteousness.  I know cartoons and JRPGs have taught you that death is terrible and stuff, but when victims have had their entire extended family put into concentration camps and/or executed for the slightest infraction and a few have beaten the odds and escaped from that shithole of a country where stealing food isn't even an option because there's barely any food to steal as just another result of Kim Jong Il's failed leadership, to say that being happy he is dead is silly as hell is utterly ridiculous.

How bad the USA has been in the past or is currently in the present has no bearing on the matter.  His successor could be just as bad and nothing may change there, but the world has one less toolbag and there's plenty of reasons some may be happy about it.
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« Reply #51 on: December 21, 2011, 12:28:44 AM »

I hate to sour the party.

Yeah, sure.  Fart in the room, then act like we're the assholes for calling you out on it.  The smell is now lingering.

You managed to completely miss the point of my post.  I'm not asking you to be happy that he's dead.  I'm not happy about it either because deep down, I honestly don't give a shit.  His life and death had a negligible impact on my life.  But there are people whose lives were affected in some manner, big or small, and you're a shithead for condemning them over being glad that he's dead.
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« Reply #52 on: December 21, 2011, 12:30:46 AM »

I have a wish to be in front of Parn in some line, like at a store or food joint, and take too long asking all sorts of questions. I want Parn to yell at me in this situation
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« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2011, 10:00:47 AM »

It may be true that Kim Jong-Il's death will change nothing, but each day he was alive, suffering and horror existed in his country. Now that he's (hopefully) burning in hell for the destruction of the free will of millions, there is some potential for change - little, maybe even miniscule, but the potential is there all the same.

If you think that people shouldn't be happy that a power mad despot is gone from the world, well... sometimes the world really is better off without some people - some DO deserve death. I wouldn't call you self-righteous, but definitely overly idealistic.

I can think of one reason to not be happy and that's that the country has become less stable. We have no idea what kind of plans his successor has. It's not unthinkable he'll act as an agressor in an attempt to prove his worth as the new leader. That why South Korea is so nervous right now. Things may have been terrible to begin with, but they could get even worse.

I'd rather be an optimist though. If this new guy starts to slowly open up the country, that would be a reason to be happy, wouldn't it?
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« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2011, 10:29:12 AM »

I have a wish to be in front of Parn in some line, like at a store or food joint, and take too long asking all sorts of questions. I want Parn to yell at me in this situation

Pull out a checkbook and wait until after everything has been rung up before you start filling it out.  That's a great way to troll the shit out of me.  Well, me and everyone else in the line.  Bonus points for screwing it up and having to write another check.  If you see some people move to another line, you won real life.
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« Reply #55 on: December 21, 2011, 01:14:37 PM »

The issue I have with random internet fuckwads (see: us) being glad that someone is dead is that he, as Parn pointed out, doesn't impact our lives in any meaningful way. It's morbid to say you're glad about this, because chances are you know he's a big bad dictator man and that's it. Oh, and he's dead.

Now, the people who actually had to live through that regime? Let them tubgirl all over his fucking grave.
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« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2011, 04:13:37 PM »

I'd rather be an optimist though. If this new guy starts to slowly open up the country, that would be a reason to be happy, wouldn't it?

Why, the glorious leaders have already done quite a bit to open up the country for capitalist exploitation. "Foreign investment" is already there, and tens of thousands of North Korean workers are sent every year as cheap labor to China and the Far East of Russia to work their asses off for food. The NK leadership isn`t really opposed to the idea of a full transition to a peripheral capitalist economy which NK already partially is anyway. The main concern of the local bureaucracy is how to hold to their positions of power during the said transition. Their Chinese comrades have done quite well in this regard and now we a have a "socialist" state with billionaires, sweatshops and widespread child labor.
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