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[MeshGearFox]

The Abercrombie & Fitch catalogue is basically porn, and you get a free copy whenever you buy any article of clothing there.

Nobody's REALLY shopping at A&F for the CLOTHES, people.

[pseudonym]

Is that the company with the smokin hot male models?

I love A&F models.  Literally, a billboard when you enter the store isn't a model with the clothes on --- just a blown-up poster of gorgeous man-chest staring you down.


I avoid their brand mainly because I refuse to pay thirty-fucking-dollars on a tank top, and $80 on a flimsy sweater.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3-WzqfbVHU

[Hathen]

Atmospheric CO2 reaches 400 ppm for the first time in history.

I propose we eat pieces of dry ice to celebrate.

[Klutz64]

So Plants vs. Zombies 2 has been confirmed as a free-to-play iOS exclusive with in-game purchases. That was the joke several people made given that PopCap has been bought by EA. We all laughed, and then it came true.

It's kind of like waking up from a nightmare only to realize you're still having a nightmare.

[Annubis]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-57587189-235/oculus-vr-co-founder-33-killed-by-speeding-car/

Now, imagine if the Oculus ends up being a revolution in technology and the guy never even got to appreciate his own work =/

[Yoda]

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/jesus_christ_spotted_on_dogs_butt

[Dice]

^ Poor dog.... I also hope there isn't any crazy religious person to grovel at a dog's butt thinking it might be a sign or something...I saw this, because strange things do happen.

Curious what you guys think about this; I don't really know or have any input...IN TIME FOR FATHER'S DAY TOO.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/12/is-forced-fatherhood-fair/?smid=fb-nytimes&WT.z_sma=OP_IFF_20130613
So, is forced fatherhood fair?
On one end, no one forced the man to do the deed, it was a choice and a consequence you pay for or deal with if a kid comes from it.
On the other, if he doesn't want it, but she does....what does that do (certainly fucks up mum and the kid's chances at poverty)?

...or maybe we should just go the Chapele Show route: Sign a love contract before sex. :P

[ZshadeZ]

Colorado'ss on fire again this year.

[Desert Walker]

On one end, no one forced the man to do the deed, it was a choice and a consequence you pay for or deal with if a kid comes from it.

There's no easy solution to this issue and as a result of that I try not to be too harsh toward any given viewpoint, but that argument always creeps me out just a tad because it's the very same one used to justify banning abortion. :(

EDIT: I'm not aiming that at you, of course, I know you're just throwing out ideas.  Unfortunately I've seen more than one (really bad) feminist blogger rant about how anyone who takes the "You took the risk, you need to take the responsibility" argument against abortion is a filthy misogynist and then be shocked!  Shocked I say! when they later insist that any man who gets stuck paying child support/marrying a woman because of a kid he was manipulated into having (the woman lied about use of contraception, for example) should "deal with the consequences of putting your dick where it didn't belong" and gets responses that involve quoting the previous post and calling the blogger a filthy misandrist.

[Dice]

On one end, no one forced the man to do the deed, it was a choice and a consequence you pay for or deal with if a kid comes from it.

There's no easy solution to this issue and as a result of that I try not to be too harsh toward any given viewpoint, but that argument always creeps me out just a tad because it's the very same one used to justify banning abortion. :(

EDIT: I'm not aiming that at you, of course, I know you're just throwing out ideas.  Unfortunately I've seen more than one (really bad) feminist blogger rant about how anyone who takes the "You took the risk, you need to take the responsibility" argument against abortion is a filthy misogynist and then be shocked!  Shocked I say! when they later insist that any man who gets stuck paying child support/marrying a woman because of a kid he was manipulated into having (the woman lied about use of contraception, for example) should "deal with the consequences of putting your dick where it didn't belong" and gets responses that involve quoting the previous post and calling the blogger a filthy misandrist.

I posted it here because I definitely want more of the guys-side (but I'm happy being a girl asking it, insofar I don't want this to go all "BROS BEFORE HOS" and *immediately* fight for their own side).  And also, while I threw some thoughts out there, I really didn't have "my answer" to the issue.
And I agree, if the woman is willing, it's more than "he put his dick in and he's responsible" because it takes two to tango.

But I just wonder if there should be a contingency to the issue in the event that one or the other doesn't want the child (talking more about the man in this situation) where he shouldn't HAVE to be responsible.
Even still, I find it's a really bad idea for most young couples to have a kid (be it teens or peoples who just aren't making enough money in their careers to support a kid; income-wise, you will increase your chances of poverty). 

[Desert Walker]

On one end, no one forced the man to do the deed, it was a choice and a consequence you pay for or deal with if a kid comes from it.

There's no easy solution to this issue and as a result of that I try not to be too harsh toward any given viewpoint, but that argument always creeps me out just a tad because it's the very same one used to justify banning abortion. :(

EDIT: I'm not aiming that at you, of course, I know you're just throwing out ideas.  Unfortunately I've seen more than one (really bad) feminist blogger rant about how anyone who takes the "You took the risk, you need to take the responsibility" argument against abortion is a filthy misogynist and then be shocked!  Shocked I say! when they later insist that any man who gets stuck paying child support/marrying a woman because of a kid he was manipulated into having (the woman lied about use of contraception, for example) should "deal with the consequences of putting your dick where it didn't belong" and gets responses that involve quoting the previous post and calling the blogger a filthy misandrist.

I posted it here because I definitely want more of the guys-side (but I'm happy being a girl asking it, insofar I don't want this to go all "BROS BEFORE HOS" and *immediately* fight for their own side).  And also, while I threw some thoughts out there, I really didn't have "my answer" to the issue.
And I agree, if the woman is willing, it's more than "he put his dick in and he's responsible" because it takes two to tango.

But I just wonder if there should be a contingency to the issue in the event that one or the other doesn't want the child (talking more about the man in this situation) where he shouldn't HAVE to be responsible.
Even still, I find it's a really bad idea for most young couples to have a kid (be it teens or peoples who just aren't making enough money in their careers to support a kid; income-wise, you will increase your chances of poverty). 

Like I said, I've seen people use the argument in a very hypocritical (and nasty) manner which makes me find it off-putting, but I didn't think you were delivering The Answer or necessarily advocating for that viewpoint. :)  Of course, it is an argument that must be considered.

In any case, I agree that it's a really bad idea for young couples to have a kid (even if they're planning on a long term relationship) before they can afford it, and there are a number of issues that factor into that problem, some cultural and thus rather difficult to discuss without things getting ugly, but I think that one issue that people should* be able to reach agreement on would be easy access to reliable contraception for people, including teenagers; I'm often skeptical of government subsidization of various things but helping out with contraception pays off well both in terms of reducing government expenditure (less people on welfare) and in raising standards of living.

*I say "should" because, as you have probably been informed, there is a cultural divide between the US and Canada on this matter.  Witness the battle we had over people under 17 being able to get access to the Plan B pill as an example.  I recall seeing one woman from a "pro-parent" group on the news arguing that it should only be available with a prescription because allowing it to be sold over the counter "destroys the ability of parents to control their children's lives." (Actually used that phrase.)  Lady, if you seriously have to worry about your thirteen year old daughter sneaking off to buy a plan B pill you've already lost control of her.

[Akanbe-]

^ Poor dog.... I also hope there isn't any crazy religious person to grovel at a dog's butt thinking it might be a sign or something...I saw this, because strange things do happen.

Curious what you guys think about this; I don't really know or have any input...IN TIME FOR FATHER'S DAY TOO.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/12/is-forced-fatherhood-fair/?smid=fb-nytimes&WT.z_sma=OP_IFF_20130613
So, is forced fatherhood fair?
On one end, no one forced the man to do the deed, it was a choice and a consequence you pay for or deal with if a kid comes from it.
On the other, if he doesn't want it, but she does....what does that do (certainly fucks up mum and the kid's chances at poverty)?

...or maybe we should just go the Chapele Show route: Sign a love contract before sex. :P

That's a really tough question.  So many angles that come into play.  Ultimately, whether the man wants out or not, it's the woman who has to live with the consequences (to carry it or use Plan B and live with what happened) no matter what happens.   

I really don't have a good answer/opinion on the issue. There's just no really good answer to it except that more women should be open to doing anal.

[Starmongoose]

That's some brain teaser and I don't think I'm qualified to answer or even cover all the bases.

If I had to say, due to a million billion ways circumstances can be unique regarding the matter, it's one of those things society should morally uphold but not...by law.

[Jotacon]

Yup, very tricky situation. I can say this growing up poor I've seen my fair share of shitty dudes who skip town leaving too many women to fend for themselves. Heck, it happened to my sister. If a Mom can get money from a deadbeat dad, more power to her. So as you can see I have a bias. Of course that is totally emotionally motivated and doesn't look at all into the actual business at hand regarding freedom of the individual in this capacity. IMO it is not fair, not by a long shot, but it is a way to help those who need help. If the government would do it that would work too. /communism

Ultimately I agree with Starmongoose in that this SHOULD be something that isn't legislated, but there isn't a good way for this to work if you do that.

[ZshadeZ]

In todays news, I was recently surprised by:




I remember this as being a very frowned upon topic. Has that changed? o_O