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Re: Xenoblade Chronicles X
« Reply #405 on: May 16, 2015, 09:43:58 AM »

Its a Xeno game. What did you expect? Frankly, the fact that it didn't end up as some multipart monstrosity is nothing short of a miracle.


What I expect is that the conclusion to a story has at least some emotional and logical connection to the beginning and middle.
Xenoblade was almost 2 separate stories that were just forced together. The first one was very enjoyable and had me invested and eager to progess. That roughly ended with Metal Face. The second story had almost no connection with any of the individuals character motivations for being there at all and actually invalidated their motivations for the first half! Retrospectively, they really should've just gone home half way through and hoped nothing else happened :-)

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Re: Xenoblade Chronicles X
« Reply #406 on: May 16, 2015, 06:10:03 PM »

Its a Xeno game. What did you expect? Frankly, the fact that it didn't end up as some multipart monstrosity is nothing short of a miracle.


What I expect is that the conclusion to a story has at least some emotional and logical connection to the beginning and middle.
Xenoblade was almost 2 separate stories that were just forced together. The first one was very enjoyable and had me invested and eager to progess. That roughly ended with Metal Face. The second story had almost no connection with any of the individuals character motivations for being there at all and actually invalidated their motivations for the first half! Retrospectively, they really should've just gone home half way through and hoped nothing else happened :-)

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I love/hate the "big finale spoiler".  "WE ARE GODS/SCIENTISTS FROM URTH!!!!"
...I admire that they tried to explain how a world where the Bionis and Mechonis can exist and how it's possible... except the flashback lasts about 30 seconds.  It's also severely under-explained nor do they seem to care to explain it other than "that's just how the cookie crumbled!".  Still, it works within the "Xeno" framework that chronicles what went down "after Earth" is finished and makes one helluva pretty and surprisingly subtle area for a JRPG to end... well, subtle as in it's not a giant black castle with piping organs music and purple lasers.

If they cared to explain it more I'd take it more seriously, but it honestly felt so last minute and a cheap way to 'wave off' remaining plot questions.  Most discussion of the game's plot seems to ignore this spoiler completely because it's so insubstantial.

So yeah, I actually kinda like the analysis that XB has two sort-of separate story lines.
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Re: Xenoblade Chronicles X
« Reply #407 on: May 17, 2015, 04:18:16 AM »
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I didn't mind the last 3rd of the game, to which I think I can thank Dickson(And his great voice actor) standing in as the big bad for most of it. After he got his death scene and it was time to fight Zanza though, man, things took a nosedive. Zanza's dialogue was so bad. Every awful jrpg last boss trope in the book. Such a amazing game deserved better.

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« Reply #408 on: May 17, 2015, 11:43:14 AM »
This is like the internet version of passing messages around the classroom isn't it? Ok then:

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I think the inclusion of Dickson was perhaps the 1 saving grace to the finale. He was really the only link back to the start of the story, if you ignore Fiora's connection which was just forced on her randomly. My prediction at about the half-way mark (which I did say I was speculating about earlier in this thread) was that Dickson WAS Zanza because I'd noticed similar facial characteristics between him and Arglas. The voice actor also sounded similar.  I actually think that would've been a much better twist because at least you'd care about the final boss. I didn't care about Zanza either way.

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Where are you getting the 'love' half from in your love/hate then? I think my problem is that I don't agree that it really explained anything. At least from my perspective, they explained the things that I didn't really care about and didn't need explaining. I didn't care why this universe existed in the first place. Given that I have no idea why our own universe exists at all, I'm kinda used to just accepting that sort of thing as a brute fact and in fantasy that's generally what you do. Whereas the actual interesting stuff, like the fact that you're living on a giant 'dead' god (with a little g apparently), was either not explained at all, given a kind of abritrary "well cos that's just how it is" explanation, or given a really terrible explanation like "he deliberately kills everyone from time to time so they don't forget about him".
I saw this explanation as very similar to that in Mass Effect 3. These really cool scary creatures, the reapers, were explained in terms of something not at all cool or interesting. Should've just left them as a mystery. Same thing here. The existence of the bionis and mechonis would've been much better left as a mystery and they should've just explained everything within that frame of reference.


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Re: Xenoblade Chronicles X
« Reply #409 on: May 29, 2015, 01:13:01 PM »
Back on subject with this one, a follow up from the earlier discussion about when the mechs become available:

Seems like quite a way into it! I actually like the sound of that.

http://kotaku.com/after-55-hours-of-xenoblade-x-i-finally-got-my-mecha-1707636232

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Re: Xenoblade Chronicles X
« Reply #410 on: June 27, 2015, 11:00:42 PM »
Is anyone worried like me that the previews of the imports have said that this game is quite boring from the sidequests being really shallow and so forth? I just hope this one will be more than just another MMO-style RPG with a similar combat where you have a ton of freedom with nothing interesting to do.

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Re: Xenoblade Chronicles X
« Reply #411 on: June 28, 2015, 12:00:37 AM »
Is anyone worried like me that the previews of the imports have said that this game is quite boring from the sidequests being really shallow and so forth? I just hope this one will be more than just another MMO-style RPG with a similar combat where you have a ton of freedom with nothing interesting to do.

From what I've heard, XBCX has a story, but its pretty backloaded due to the nature of the game's setting and plot. After all, it wouldn't make much sense for an alien force capable of destroying an entire planet to harry you while you're settling and exploring and growing into a force capable of repelling them, now would it?
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Re: Xenoblade Chronicles X
« Reply #412 on: June 28, 2015, 01:32:07 PM »
It's hard to go through all the drivel on the net about this game, then I found this thread on gamefaqs by an actual player (he's japanese, but his english isn't terrible) and after we all asked him some questions it really put my mind at ease. for people who haven't read this thread I suggest taking 5 min and doing so. It really put my mind at ease.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/701151-xenoblade-chronicles-x/72016172

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Re: Xenoblade Chronicles X
« Reply #413 on: June 29, 2015, 05:08:12 AM »
It's hard to go through all the drivel on the net about this game, then I found this thread on gamefaqs by an actual player (he's japanese, but his english isn't terrible) and after we all asked him some questions it really put my mind at ease. for people who haven't read this thread I suggest taking 5 min and doing so. It really put my mind at ease.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/701151-xenoblade-chronicles-x/72016172
This seems to be a nice optimistic point of view that will keep me in spirits for this game.

The question that remains on my mind is: Is it really worth buying for a Wii U for 350 dollars for a console that will more than likely die off once the NX comes out next year or two?

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Re: Xenoblade Chronicles X
« Reply #414 on: August 05, 2015, 10:55:52 AM »
In my vision, I see that one of us is going to KO the other.

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Re: Xenoblade Chronicles X
« Reply #415 on: August 05, 2015, 02:47:55 PM »
http://www.siliconera.com/2015/08/05/xenoblade-chronicles-x-limited-and-premium-packs-announced-for-europe/

Heads up EU. You're getting a LE and a VC release of XBC Wii.

*sigh*.  I can't be upset because it's only recently EU has been so lucky to get such great special editions and being ahead of the curve while NA was usually ahead of things.  That said I really hope we get this too and aren't left in the dust.

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Re: Xenoblade Chronicles X
« Reply #416 on: August 05, 2015, 04:42:29 PM »
http://www.siliconera.com/2015/08/05/xenoblade-chronicles-x-limited-and-premium-packs-announced-for-europe/

Heads up EU. You're getting a LE and a VC release of XBC Wii.

*sigh*.  I can't be upset because it's only recently EU has been so lucky to get such great special editions and being ahead of the curve while NA was usually ahead of things.  That said I really hope we get this too and aren't left in the dust.



https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/629003322540851200

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Re: Xenoblade Chronicles X
« Reply #417 on: August 05, 2015, 04:53:01 PM »
http://www.siliconera.com/2015/08/05/xenoblade-chronicles-x-limited-and-premium-packs-announced-for-europe/

Heads up EU. You're getting a LE and a VC release of XBC Wii.

*sigh*.  I can't be upset because it's only recently EU has been so lucky to get such great special editions and being ahead of the curve while NA was usually ahead of things.  That said I really hope we get this too and aren't left in the dust.



https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/629003322540851200

I was hoping that something like this wouldn't happen after their Amiibo fiasco and the way they handled XBC's release.

This will not end well....
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Re: Xenoblade Chronicles X
« Reply #418 on: August 05, 2015, 05:05:44 PM »
http://www.siliconera.com/2015/08/05/xenoblade-chronicles-x-limited-and-premium-packs-announced-for-europe/

Heads up EU. You're getting a LE and a VC release of XBC Wii.

*sigh*.  I can't be upset because it's only recently EU has been so lucky to get such great special editions and being ahead of the curve while NA was usually ahead of things.  That said I really hope we get this too and aren't left in the dust.



https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/629003322540851200



Yeah I hope it's good too.
The FFX HD differences annoyed me, so hopefully it's not like "here's an X pin with your purchase!"
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Re: Xenoblade Chronicles X
« Reply #419 on: August 30, 2015, 01:19:50 AM »
Hey everyone! Did you want the Limited Edition Pre-order?
Well too fucking late, it's already sold out!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014LNTVGK



I REALLY hope they restock this or someone else gets it too.  It's a pretty damn fine bundle for the price.
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