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Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
« Reply #255 on: May 28, 2013, 08:11:59 PM »
I'm not taking issue with iterative, I'm taking issue with them claiming it's a "BRAND NEW ENGINE." That's a flat-out lie. Iterating on an engine is totally cool, but not when you make a Big! Point! That! Your! Engine! is brand new and offers incredible new experiences.
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Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
« Reply #256 on: May 29, 2013, 12:25:29 AM »
I'm not taking issue with iterative, I'm taking issue with them claiming it's a "BRAND NEW ENGINE." That's a flat-out lie. Iterating on an engine is totally cool, but not when you make a Big! Point! That! Your! Engine! is brand new and offers incredible new experiences.

That's the thing. Even a hamster will eventually learn not to nibble on the cupcake with the mild electric current running through it. Given time, even core gamers will no longer believe Ondore's lies (maybe; honestly, I haven't much hope for them or their cause).
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Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
« Reply #257 on: May 29, 2013, 09:35:05 AM »
Shuhei Yoshida announces DRM on PS Vita -- NeoGAF

"Microsoft executive Aaron Greenberg asserts that the company's E3 2013 presentation will clear up Xbox One questions." -- Gamespot

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Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
« Reply #258 on: May 30, 2013, 05:06:08 PM »

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Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
« Reply #259 on: May 30, 2013, 07:52:02 PM »
I wonder.

Let's say you buy a used XBox One game and download some patch to bypass the reactivation fee. Is that considered piracy?

Extrapolate: If you buy and play ANY used game without money going back to the original publisher, can that be considered piracy?

I don't buy used games because I want them cheap*. I buy used games because /none of the shit I want is in print anymore/.

* I spent 50-something dollars on fucking Intelligent Qube bitch this stuff ain't cheap.
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Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
« Reply #260 on: May 30, 2013, 08:06:49 PM »
I don't really care about used games that much.  I'm a hoardercollector and I never sell my games.  And the only time I ever buy used games is if the game is out of print and I can't actually find a new copy.  So I should be fine with this, right?

No.

It's not the used games that I care about.  It's the idea of intrusive DRM that needs me to constantly phone home to be allowed to play my single player content offline.  It's the fact that if they shut down those servers in a few years my entire collection will instantaneously become useless.  That's completely unacceptable.  And it's not something I hear the defenders of this stuff even addressing.  All I hear is, "used games are bad!"  I don't even buy used games, you know...

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Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
« Reply #261 on: May 30, 2013, 09:22:56 PM »
It's the act that if they shut down those servers in a few years my entire collection will instantaneously become useless.

But Kevadu, videogames are a disposable source of entertainment with no lasting merit! Nobody plays something more than two or three years old, come on!
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Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
« Reply #262 on: May 30, 2013, 09:42:37 PM »
I don't really care about used games that much.  I'm a hoardercollector and I never sell my games.  And the only time I ever buy used games is if the game is out of print and I can't actually find a new copy.  So I should be fine with this, right?

With the bolded taken into consideration I can't possibly see how anyone in that position can go "yeah screw used sales." Then again the internet seems to have revealed every possible opinion is out there regardless of how it clashes with common sense or even their own experience.

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Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
« Reply #265 on: May 30, 2013, 11:13:34 PM »
OK, a few too many large .gifs in here, and while I doubt anyone's on dial-up people DO use smartphones to browse.

If nothing else a 14 MB gif is absurd.

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Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
« Reply #266 on: May 30, 2013, 11:25:04 PM »
If nothing else a 14 MB gif is absurd.

How even the fuck..?

I'm trying to come up with a response to one of Eusis' posts -- I think gamer brand loyalty is a lot like political party loyalty and leads to the same kind of groupthink -- but now I'm wondering why I buy used games and CDs at all.

Like, earlier this year, I bought a used copy of the old D&D city builder Stronghold, and it's on floppies. My laptop doesn't have a floppy drive, and I'm not sure the original discs even work.

Or... better example. Bought a bunch of used music CDs and Saturn games last weekend. How much of that money got back to the original publisher? Approximately none of it. So why not just pirate it? Do I really want the /artifact/ that much?

I guess I do.

I'm a consumer whore and it's depressing and it's depressing that I can't come up with any alternatives.
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Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
« Reply #267 on: May 30, 2013, 11:31:20 PM »
OK, a few too many large .gifs in here, and while I doubt anyone's on dial-up people DO use smartphones to browse.

If nothing else a 14 MB gif is absurd.
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Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
« Reply #268 on: May 31, 2013, 12:49:09 AM »
I don't really care about used games that much.  I'm a hoardercollector and I never sell my games.  And the only time I ever buy used games is if the game is out of print and I can't actually find a new copy.  So I should be fine with this, right?

With the bolded taken into consideration I can't possibly see how anyone in that position can go "yeah screw used sales." Then again the internet seems to have revealed every possible opinion is out there regardless of how it clashes with common sense or even their own experience.

Well, making things available digitally can kind of alleviate that problem.  I'm pretty sure the plan with the coming gen is to make all retail releases also available digitally.

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Re: XBOX: A New Generation Revealed, May 21st
« Reply #269 on: May 31, 2013, 02:21:03 AM »
Well, making things available digitally can kind of alleviate that problem.  I'm pretty sure the plan with the coming gen is to make all retail releases also available digitally.

There's still the problem of licenses expiring (as XSEED and Atlus readily showed), of which many companies completely suck at giving advance notice for, and sometimes it seems they'll pull games for the sake of marketing, Sonic 2006 was pulled before either Sonic Unleashed or Sonic Colors (not as if that's a big tragedy...) and it SOUNDS as if the original Need for Speed Most Wanted was pulled from XBL/PSN in light of the new game, probably to avoid confusion though the easier way would've been not to use the same damn name. And unlike Sonic 2006 it sounds like this one actually IS widely considered a good game and one of the most feature rich NFS titles. Ideally nothing would ever get delisted short of being outright illegal, and even then it'd just be preserved until the legality was a non-issue, but in reality they seemingly are willing to dump old games if they happen to be inconvenient for them.