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« Reply #60 on: December 10, 2013, 07:20:55 AM »

50th anniversary spoilers (don't know if I need to mark those still):

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Moffat has confirmed that Matt Smith is still, canonically speaking, the 11th Doctor. http://www.cultbox.co.uk/news/headlines/8684-doctor-who-exec-confirms-numbering-matt-smith-is-the-11th-doctor

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« Reply #61 on: December 10, 2013, 10:21:22 AM »

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He apparently doesn't count as a Doctor basically because he and the other Doctors say he isn't one of them.  He was credited as The War Doctor, so... apparently that's his name.

That said, in another interview, Moffatt has apparently also said that Smith is officially the 13th regeneration of that particular Timelord.  11 Doctors + 1 War Doctor + 1 more for the time that Tennant regenerated into himself again, using his previously cut off hand as a blueprint or whatever.  And since we know that Timelords are only supposed to get 13 regenerations, this may be a plot point in the Christmas special.
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« Reply #62 on: December 11, 2013, 07:04:58 AM »

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« Reply #63 on: December 13, 2013, 12:00:09 AM »

I finally submitted to the hype.  On season 2 of the new series. Love it:)
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« Reply #64 on: December 13, 2013, 12:30:22 AM »

Awesome.  Be careful for spoilers with this thread, but enjoy the show!
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« Reply #65 on: December 14, 2013, 10:44:08 AM »

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He apparently doesn't count as a Doctor basically because he and the other Doctors say he isn't one of them.  He was credited as The War Doctor, so... apparently that's his name.

That said, in another interview, Moffatt has apparently also said that Smith is officially the 13th regeneration of that particular Timelord.  11 Doctors + 1 War Doctor + 1 more for the time that Tennant regenerated into himself again, using his previously cut off hand as a blueprint or whatever.  And since we know that Timelords are only supposed to get 13 regenerations, this may be a plot point in the Christmas special.

I thought-
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the regeneration limit was a rule/dictate by the timelord rulers and those in the past because bad things tend to happen when you regenerate more than 12 times (not 13, 13 is how many incarnations they get, including the original) like craziness (IE The Master), and not a limitation of the race.
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« Reply #66 on: December 14, 2013, 11:08:06 AM »

I don't know for sure either way.  Haven't watched enough of the old Who yet. :)
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« Reply #67 on: December 14, 2013, 11:41:21 AM »

I don't believe it is ever directly stated, I believe it was something that was hinted at in a novel.
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« Reply #68 on: December 23, 2013, 03:09:20 PM »

Well, quite a few mentions of it are made in classic Who, though they make it out to be a very final number, and not by choice. The Doctor's mentor (who eventually turns bad for some reason), claims he is on his last regeneration. But yeah, there is the weirdness of the "skeletor" Master, who is described as being on his last regeneration, and for the reason, looks like a rotting corpse... never really explained why he is different. Then there is the Valyard.

Anyway, if Moffat is counting Smith as Regeneration 13, then he's already broken the rules without us even realizing it. Either Moffat is content to just blow the limit off (which I'm just fine with), or it'll need to be explained in the next 3 days as to why it happened, and what's going on. I'm banking on grateful timelords offering The Doctor a full new cycle.

Anyway, looking forward to the big Matt Smith sendoff. It's been fun!
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« Reply #69 on: December 24, 2013, 07:53:54 AM »

Well, quite a few mentions of it are made in classic Who, though they make it out to be a very final number, and not by choice. The Doctor's mentor (who eventually turns bad for some reason), claims he is on his last regeneration. But yeah, there is the weirdness of the "skeletor" Master, who is described as being on his last regeneration, and for the reason, looks like a rotting corpse... never really explained why he is different. Then there is the Valyard.

Anyway, if Moffat is counting Smith as Regeneration 13, then he's already broken the rules without us even realizing it. Either Moffat is content to just blow the limit off (which I'm just fine with), or it'll need to be explained in the next 3 days as to why it happened, and what's going on. I'm banking on grateful timelords offering The Doctor a full new cycle.

Anyway, looking forward to the big Matt Smith sendoff. It's been fun!
I think the thing with "skeletor" Master was supposed to be that he hit regeneration 13, then kept aging and aging, and that is just what an extremely old time lord looks like. Either that or he was short changed and only got 11.5 regenerations instead of 12 and what he became is a half finished regeneration.

And I believe that the idea that is being thrown around isn't that Smith is Regeneration 13, but Doctor "13". So the Doctor after he has regenerated 12 times.
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« Reply #70 on: December 25, 2013, 10:26:13 PM »

Well...that was awesome and tidied things up.
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« Reply #71 on: December 25, 2013, 11:39:25 PM »

Awesome?! Huh? I found that to be pretty darn bad. It was a convoluted mess, with way too much going on. Typical Moffat It's like he tried to shove every aspect of Smiths 3 years into one 90 minute episode. I was lost right from the get go.
Why did he have a Cyberman head? Maybe I forgot about that from a previous episode?

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« Reply #72 on: December 26, 2013, 04:49:49 AM »

That was an interesting special.

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« Reply #73 on: December 26, 2013, 12:08:23 PM »

Awesome in scope, not substance. It was a rushed and disconcerting mess at times, but it was grand. Moffat often throws as much at the wall as he can and sees what sticks. There were moments of brilliance. Overall I enjoyed it for what it was. They need a new show runner. Or an old one. C-
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« Reply #74 on: December 27, 2013, 01:52:53 AM »

It's hard to say how long he'll stay with Capaldi.

Moffat clearly loves Doctor Who. It seems to be his dream job.
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