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« Reply #60 on: June 28, 2013, 04:33:26 PM »

Kanji wasn't gay.  He was just called stuff like "gay" or "faggot" at an impressionable age because he liked sewing, which is a traditionally feminine activity.  And he questions his masculinity because all the other kids at school emasculated him for not being a "man's man."  Hell, I was called "gay" and "faggot" growing up because I didn't really like playing football or watching sports and was more into pretend play.  I preferred playing with girls (boys were too competitive and I always lost), but would often just play by myself because I didn't want to be labeled "fag wuss girl" but I didn't want to play with the boys either.  That's partially why he overcompensates by being a tough guy, because it's "faggy" for a guy to be sensitive.  

I think this is Kanji's theme song.  It's a song that helped me a lot through high school when I was called all that emasculating garbage (by both boys AND girls).   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D891v5YiJU

And I do recall that one guy in Enchanted Arms being openly gay.  

I saw Tidus' being kinda wussy because he was a privileged sports star/athlete.  I'm sure he was used to being a star and having people do stuff for him.  Then he immediately had to go to being a nobody who had to do for himself, realized he couldn't, and his "superstar" ego goes back into "hey, look at me!" mode.  Annoying?  Yes.  Believable?  Yes.  Especially since we see so many young people these days who are entitled pieces of scum.  

And I remember a LONG time ago (maybe 1999 or 2000) when a VERY old poster named beans wrote an extensive editorial suggesting that Cloud was gay, or at least bi.  He seemed to take it when the bodybuilders molested him in the tub, and when he encounters him at the resort town, it's all civil and not awkward at all.  I wouldn't want to say hi to a man who molested me.  Dressing up as a girl is one thing (I have fun dressing up as a girl on Halloween), but he gladly went to all the trouble of going so far as to get sexy perfumed lingerie too.  He was emotionally distant toward toward Aeris and Tifa, but showed emotion during Barret's dark moments (bros before hos maybe?).  Heck, Cloud could even go on a date with Barret.  And when he's on the date with Yuffie, she kisses him on the lips in the gondola and he's completely catatonic.  I figure the average guy would reciprocate and be naked with her in no time.  Maybe he'd have rather been with Barret then?  I'm sure Cloud cared deeply for Aeris and Tifa (considering the whole secret childhood crush thing) so I'm sure he likes girls, but I think he kinda swings both ways.  

It wasn't uncommon for noble stoic samurai to swing both ways, so why not a JRPG hero?  

Oh, and the piano teacher in Phantasy Star 2 was gay.  It was just censored out in the US version.  In the Japanese version he'd give cheaper piano lessons to guys he thought were cute, but in the US version he'd give guys discount rates because he thought men were smarter.  So what's worse?  A gay piano teacher or a sexist one?  I'll take gay over sexist any day.  
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« Reply #61 on: June 28, 2013, 04:47:04 PM »

Personally I view Kanji as bisexual.
The fact he's not that against dating Naoto as a guy or girl makes me think he'd go for a person he loves, whichever sex they'd be.
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« Reply #62 on: June 28, 2013, 10:02:10 PM »

Also, we should start a betting pool on FFXV's plot points. Anyone interested?

I'll throw in:
>Focus shifts from small adventure to saving the world
>True antagonist doesn't show up until third act
>Final boss ends up being some sort of god-like being
>Some plot point about amnesia/messed up memory
>Comic relief character does something to help save the day
>Main party gets their hands on the last crystal at some point, but it gets stolen from them somehow.

There will be a betrayal
Noctis father will kick the bucket
Both nations will be almost destroyed by the true threat
There will be some type of peace talk between the two countries
Noctis mother will be of unknown origin and important to the plot.
Main party gets captured by the enemy

These are all fucking excellent.

Also:
One of the party members dies.


In addition to those...

There will be a persistent rival to Noctis.
You wont get the game's airship until you've nearly fully explored the map.
There will be a reference to characters from earlier games like FFs IV, VI, VII, VIII, X, and XIII.
There will be a super boss near the end that's far more difficult to fight than even the final boss in his final form.
The best weapon in the game will be awarded to anyone who can beat said super boss.
Until the DLC hits and there's even more super/gimmicky bosses that'll reward you with even better weapons/equipment.
There will be a DLC with an alternate ending that's basically almost exactly the same as the game's actual ending but with an extra couple of frames added to it.
The extra ending will cheapen whatever standard ending went with and will set up a sequel.
There will also be obnoxious minigames.
And the best non superboss gear must be looted from stupidly rare drops from stupidly rare enemies hidden in massively obscure locations.
There will also be a piece of top tier gear that can only be obtained if you never open certain, unmarked chests scattered about throughout the game and if you make it to the pedestal right before the final boss chamber in under 10 hours.


Oh, and the piano teacher in Phantasy Star 2 was gay.  It was just censored out in the US version.  In the Japanese version he'd give cheaper piano lessons to guys he thought were cute, but in the US version he'd give guys discount rates because he thought men were smarter.  So what's worse?  A gay piano teacher or a sexist one?  I'll take gay over sexist any day.  


There's the PC JRPG series Lightning Warrior Raidy that's got an openly gay protagonist. Of course they're PC games made in Japan so obviously its entirely FTP.

Comedy option aside and despite the white washing for the US release, Fire Emblem 10's Heather was pretty openly gay for the girls (even in the US version the subtext is still there, just not as explicit). And while there were other characters in the series that were implied to be interested in the same sex (namely Raven X Lucius and Lyn X Florina; both from the first western FE) none have been open or explicit about it.

There's also the Summon Night SCS games but that's more due to laziness on the writers part since both games were written for a male lead first and added a female lead with a handwave to the fanservice directed at the male lead.

There's also the occasional gay character in an Super Robot Wars game. But all of those stem from the source material rather than from the games themselves, and none of the original characters are openly gay for each other (although a case can be made for Sanger X Rastel and Latooni X Shine but you'd need your shipping glasses on for those) Ibis and one of her copilots are fairly open about their relationship (but I forget which one and just how open the relationship was). On the plus side Ibis is one of the OG leads for the Alpha series, so there's one openly gay JRPG lead in a not porn game (provided I'm recalling correctly). There's also at least one or more gay original antagonist in the series but unfortunately the series villains are pretty much walking lumps of villainous stereotypes which doesn't help matters in the least.

And speaking of the SRW games there's also the Queen's Blade/Gate games from the same studio that probably has a gay character or two in there or somewhere (amongst pretty much every other conceivable fantasy fetish out there that the entire QB cast represents and is almost entirely FTP as well). The QG characters are decidedly less fetish fuel but a) there aren't any openly gay characters (although a few get really fucking close) and b) just like with the non OG SRW characters above, they're simply bringing what's already been established elsewhere to the table.

And finally Chrono Trigger's Flea, but that's more transgendered rather than straight gay.
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« Reply #63 on: June 28, 2013, 10:17:35 PM »

i think kanji is androgyne-this is when internally you are both genders at the same time wich explains why he liked naoto who is likely also androgyne heck you could make a case for yukiko and chie too.

now im gonna say this. FF XV already started off on a bad foot for me because i cannot stand its fans that have been pissing and moaning for versus since FF XIII came out. also im not a fan of kingdom hearts wich this game looks a lot like. so potentially having no females in the main cast is like strike 3. its rare that i connect with or like male characters in rpg's so noctis would have to be the second coming of vyse or ryudo wich i highly doubt is the case.
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« Reply #64 on: June 28, 2013, 10:33:33 PM »

There's nothing androgynous about Kanji. He is a man who likes feminine past times and got treated like shit because of it, so he hides it and acts hyper masculine. Naoto is a crossdresser, but not because she has a desire in the way transvestites do, it's because she is afraid people won't take her as seriously as all the male detectives she admired as a child, it's more of a commentary on a male dominated environment than it is about crossdressing.

And Chie and Yukiko? Based on I suppose the part where Yukiko calls Chie her "Prince"? Is a metaphor that hard to grasp. Chie acts like Yukiko's champion, her defender and White Knight in real life, but that's only from Yukiko's perspective. She never saw the truth about Chie's inferiority complex, as long as Yukiko is insecure and in need of saving, Chie is always one rung up from Yukiko. It's hardly romantic.

EDIT: This'll be my last word on the topic since the topic is getting a bit derailed. But the idea that Kanji is at least bi because he was attracted to Naoto when he thought he was a boy isn't true. He is clearly confused and doesn't understand what is going on when he has a crush on Naoto when they first meet. "But he's a guy...and I'm a guy...". This is new to him, he's drawn to her but he can't understand why. Naoto doesn't particularly look like a man, it's just her clothes and the voice she puts on. Does a straight man find it impossible to be attracted to a woman if she puts on male-styled clothing for a day? I don't think so, there is more to sexuality than what clothes they are wearing. The shape of a body, the face, pheromones and subtle tells the unconscious mind picks up all take part.
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« Reply #65 on: June 28, 2013, 10:34:34 PM »


There's the PC JRPG series Lightning Warrior Raidy that's got an openly gay protagonist. Of course they're PC games made in Japan so obviously its entirely FTP.

Only because its a game based on lesbian fucking hentai.
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« Reply #66 on: June 29, 2013, 01:33:23 AM »

Don't forget that Kanji was also treated like crap by women which basically scared him off of female contact. He's confused about what he wants because he clearly hates how girls have acted towards him in the past and now he felt attraction towards someone he thought was a man, which is why he started believing himself to be possibly gay.
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« Reply #67 on: June 29, 2013, 06:52:46 AM »

+1 on what Mongoosey's been saying.

With Kanji, he feels like he's not man enough to be one of the guys while simultaneously not feeling/being man enough to get girls.  I've said this before but I relate a lot to his identity struggles from my own growing up.  Hits home in some ways.  And the difficult part of his conflict of not being gay but everyone thinking you are and browbeating you by labeling you a faggot.  And thinking, "man, life would be so much easier and make more sense if I really WAS gay."  

Like he says, it's nothing to do with guys or chicks.  He's scared to death of rejection.  And he was rejected by both because he wasn't "man" enough.  

My friend Seth wrote a song about that and evolved it into a webisode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_8Si3endsA (webisode)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j48XjInBd7U (song)

EDIT:  So back to Final Fantasy XV... I'm with Dice in that I like the design of the guys.  They wear believable clothing and look like they can handle themselves.  They're nice looking, but not frail little bishies.  Me likey.
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« Reply #68 on: June 29, 2013, 01:35:25 PM »

I'm not a huge fan of the outfits this time around. They feel like a very obvious mashup between modern monochrome fashion designers (Rick, Ann D, Julius, Silent, etc) and trendy Japanese fashion. It's all much better than FF13, but still feels derivative.

It might suit the settings of the game well though, especially if they never take to the great outdoors. Final Fantasy has always introduced characters in cool outfits that fit their initial setting but it doesn't really make sense when they start exploring forests or the arctic in their skivvies.
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« Reply #69 on: June 29, 2013, 10:44:52 PM »

I normally avoid even looking into or at game trailers and previews of things I know I'm going to play... I like it to be a surprise. But I could not contain my curious nature as I watched this thread flourish since E3 and gave in.

First I would just like to say that this game looks freakin' stellar to me thus far. Seriously excited, I am... Excited in the way I was when I first saw a chrono trigger add and thought it was a secret of mana sequel!!LoL

But while we are talking outfits and aesthetics and sexuality...

This guy has the most gorgeous features I've ever seen in a male character profile/status pic. Seriously, I might be a heterosexual man but I call like I see it and this guy is "Gavin Rossdale" beautiful in my book. End of discussion.





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« Reply #70 on: June 30, 2013, 02:34:41 PM »

"The Computer Entertainment Supplier's Association has confirmed that Square-Enix will attend this year's big show among 181 other game companies!

Since it's a renowned show, it's safe to assume that fan-favorites such as Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy XV, and Kingdom Hearts III will all show up.

The 2013 Tokyo Game Show is scheduled for September 19-22, 2013. It will be open to the general public on September 21-22, 2013."
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Nomura expects Noctis to be more clever than Cloud -- Source: Nova Crystallis

"Having been apart of the company since the Squaresoft days, it's no secret that Nomura has created a good portion of the characters fans have come to know and love. Naturally Nomura has a known favorite in the form of Sora from Kingdom Hearts, but is already priming his next creation for the spotlight. "Also there is Noctis, he hasn't been in front of you, I mean moving, etc. yet in a real gameplay but he will soon, in the future," said Nomura. "Do you know the name Sora mean the "sky," in Japanese and Noctis, his family name is Caelum which mean sky as well so basically, Noctis mean "night sky," so they are kind of complete opposites to each other. There is a reason why I named these characters as opposites. Noctis is kind of like my latest boy, or latest son and I expect him to be more clever than Cloud."
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« Reply #71 on: July 08, 2013, 02:26:16 PM »

Then


And Now.

Is it just me or did her face lose its proper proportions in favor of bigger anime eyes and iris'?
Lost some sexy for bein' all adorbz.
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« Reply #72 on: July 08, 2013, 04:16:14 PM »

^They only make her more kawaii but her character hasn't changed.
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« Reply #73 on: July 08, 2013, 04:39:59 PM »

Then


And Now.

Is it just me or did her face lose its proper proportions in favor of bigger anime eyes and iris'?
Lost some sexy for bein' all adorbz.

If you zoom out a couple times on the picture you linked so the face size is similiar, it's not too bad.
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« Reply #74 on: July 08, 2013, 05:09:44 PM »

They also seemed to have given her a rounder face.

I guess she needs it to compete for Noctis against the rest of his bro band.
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