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« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2014, 01:26:10 AM »

Ashamed of liking? Nothing I know of, really. I kind of don't like Xenosaga's covers, but that's only because I tend to not like owning things with robot girls. Luckily it's a decent RPG series so there's that.

Uh...I really like that Harry Potter RPG on the Game Boy Color. It was more like the books and casting all those spells made it feel really unique as an RPG. It's one of the better RPGs on the GBC, I feel. It's not a game that is really panned or anything, so I guess there is no point in mentioning it.

Ashamed? That's just silly.

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« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2014, 01:39:27 AM »

Not quite sure how much of an RPG it really is, but I honestly REALLY liked Orphen: Scion of Sorcery on PS2. The gameplay mechanics were...bizarre to say the least, but overall, I felt it was pretty enjoyable.
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« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2014, 02:32:50 AM »

I'm ashamed of all games I play because I am ashamed of gaming and being a nerd in general.

Which is why I have no shame when I bring up games like Lightning Warrior Raidy or the PSP Queen's Blade games.

Wait....
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« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2014, 02:52:39 AM »

I'm ashamed of all games I play because I am ashamed of gaming and being a nerd in general.

Which is why I have no shame when I bring up games like Lightning Warrior Raidy or the PSP Queen's Blade games.

Wait....

...Will I have to delete my history if I google any of those things?

Just checking.
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« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2014, 03:14:43 AM »

Sho nuff.
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« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2014, 03:20:55 AM »

...Will I have to delete my history if I google any of those things?

Just checking.

If you are afraid of fanservice. Yes.
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« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2014, 03:21:30 AM »

I'm ashamed of all games I play because I am ashamed of gaming and being a nerd in general.

Which is why I have no shame when I bring up games like Lightning Warrior Raidy or the PSP Queen's Blade games.

Wait....

...Will I have to delete my history if I google any of those things?

Just checking.

GameFAQs can tell you enough to get the general picture (some days I get bored or lonely and I wind up browsing the JP sub sub sub category of the Adventure sub sub category of the PC games sub category in the list of consoles category; of course most of it is pixelated blobs of game covers because the site is populated by spergs, run by people who are trying to hard to pretend to have standards, and Japan's PC market is a pornographic wasteland).

But yes, I would not recommend Google.
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« Reply #52 on: April 05, 2014, 03:56:24 AM »

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As far as the dungeon goes, it depends on the developers intent. Maybe they designed the game that way on purpose for that specific audience you know? I still stand by the imagination bit though. Once again, linearity is not necessarily bad. FF X has pretty linear dungeon designs and they are still fantastic.

I was thinking more along the lines of the bland dungeons in games like Rhapsody and Tales of Xillia. If you're going for linear, you should atleast try to trick the players into forgetting they're basically walking in a straight line. Have some awesome scenery. Throw in some puzzles. Stuff like that.

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Also Im not saying we should all shut up because almost everything is  subjective, all Im saying is that we should be careful with the delivery of said opinions in terms of tonality more specifically. In fact, discussing and being critical is essential for the betterment of oneself.
Also a review is an opinion and should be presented as such.

And when we do, we will find out there are things that we can generally agree on. We won't get there if people start angry rants whenever review scores don't validate their game purchase. That's the type of gamers I was talking about.

Look at the user reviews for The Witch and the Hundred Knight: They are either extremely high or extremely low. Three of the four 9-10s are attacks on the opinions of reviewers. That's just... stupid.

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Oh and also regarding the "Enjoy while still being aware of the flaws" thing, the problem with that is also that you are negating discussion and criticism of your criticism of the game. You are assuming they are undeniably flaws(mind you the examples we were discussing are extremes, there are much more disagreeable things) when it might be in fact debatable(ex: FF X's linearity, Xenogears 2nd disk, dark souls difficulty, etc)

No, what negates discussion is thinking only your opinion is correct and that if you like something it must be flawless. The discussion can't properly start if people go in there with that mindset. You need to be able to say to yourself 'I liked it, despite blablabla'. If you can't, it will just be a yelling match between a bunch of people who will not listen to one another.
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« Reply #53 on: April 05, 2014, 06:21:38 AM »

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As far as the dungeon goes, it depends on the developers intent. Maybe they designed the game that way on purpose for that specific audience you know? I still stand by the imagination bit though. Once again, linearity is not necessarily bad. FF X has pretty linear dungeon designs and they are still fantastic.

I was thinking more along the lines of the bland dungeons in games like Rhapsody and Tales of Xillia. If you're going for linear, you should atleast try to trick the players into forgetting they're basically walking in a straight line. Have some awesome scenery. Throw in some puzzles. Stuff like that.

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Also Im not saying we should all shut up because almost everything is  subjective, all Im saying is that we should be careful with the delivery of said opinions in terms of tonality more specifically. In fact, discussing and being critical is essential for the betterment of oneself.
Also a review is an opinion and should be presented as such.

And when we do, we will find out there are things that we can generally agree on. We won't get there if people start angry rants whenever review scores don't validate their game purchase. That's the type of gamers I was talking about.

Look at the user reviews for The Witch and the Hundred Knight: They are either extremely high or extremely low. Three of the four 9-10s are attacks on the opinions of reviewers. That's just... stupid.

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Oh and also regarding the "Enjoy while still being aware of the flaws" thing, the problem with that is also that you are negating discussion and criticism of your criticism of the game. You are assuming they are undeniably flaws(mind you the examples we were discussing are extremes, there are much more disagreeable things) when it might be in fact debatable(ex: FF X's linearity, Xenogears 2nd disk, dark souls difficulty, etc)

No, what negates discussion is thinking only your opinion is correct and that if you like something it must be flawless. The discussion can't properly start if people go in there with that mindset. You need to be able to say to yourself 'I liked it, despite blablabla'. If you can't, it will just be a yelling match between a bunch of people who will not listen to one another.

We are discussing different angles of the same things(perhaps because I didn't explain myself properly). I don't disagree with what you said. I don't think the things I like are perfect but usually I don't relate to common criticisms(ex: laughing scene in FF X, MGS4 cutscene lengths), these are things that can actually be positive aspects to a lot of people, or atleast get affected by them to the same extent, sometimes I might sometimes I won't(and this is why I don't need reviews for the most part, I only need information of the game to know if it's going to be my thing or not and again I will reiterate that I am talking about my personal case, Im not trying to be the magnus opus of opinion or whatever, if I followed opinions and general consensus on some games I would have missed out on great games for me).  In terms of discussion I am willing to recognize certain things that might not be flaws to me but might be flaws to others, tbh you just gotta find the best places of discussion and opinions, the internet is full of poison that's a fact of life(in response to the metacritic thing).
Also I was not speaking in general terms, I was assuming people were decent and not angry internet warmongers.
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« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2014, 06:27:37 AM »

I can't really say there are any RPGs that I am ashamed to like. I mean my favorite RPG is Ar Tonelico and I will proudly proclaim that. If we are using the definition of poorly received games that I like, then I am another Dragon Age 2 fan. I greatly preferred it to DAO. I also kinda like Rogue Galaxy, only a little though. I'm sure there are others, but I can't think of any.

The closest thing to shame I feel from any games I play are eroge games which I just try to avoid to bringing up with most people. However since other people in the thread have admitted to liking some I see no harm in admitting I do occasionally play them.....can't recall any I particularly like that are considered bad atm though.

And Ranadiel- I too kinda liked Last Rebellion.  I stand by my review of it.  It had potential and could have been a good game, but ended up mediocre.  I've played worse.  
.....This is my first post in this thread. How the f did you get me confused with Arhkaos when I didn't even have a post near his? For the record, I am not ashamed to like Last Rebellion because I did not like it.
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« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2014, 08:28:36 AM »

Brain Fart.  My bad.  Oopsie.  Sorry.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1oKoWmu1zQ (Heh, now there's some "I'm ashamed to like this" material)

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Let's Meow Meow is pretty good; especially if you're into pubic hair.

This game better be about giant goddamn mounds of ambulatory pubes with teenagers at the center, controlling them and using them to fight the giant space aliens invading Tokyo City, because everyone knows aliens are afraid of pubic hair hashtag thanks obama

I'd play that.
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« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2014, 08:46:13 AM »

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We are discussing different angles of the same things(perhaps because I didn't explain myself properly). I don't disagree with what you said. I don't think the things I like are perfect but usually I don't relate to common criticisms(ex: laughing scene in FF X, MGS4 cutscene lengths), these are things that can actually be positive aspects to a lot of people, or atleast get affected by them to the same extent, sometimes I might sometimes I won't(and this is why I don't need reviews for the most part, I only need information of the game to know if it's going to be my thing or not and again I will reiterate that I am talking about my personal case, Im not trying to be the magnus opus of opinion or whatever, if I followed opinions and general consensus on some games I would have missed out on great games for me).  In terms of discussion I am willing to recognize certain things that might not be flaws to me but might be flaws to others, tbh you just gotta find the best places of discussion and opinions, the internet is full of poison that's a fact of life(in response to the metacritic thing).
Also I was not speaking in general terms, I was assuming people were decent and not angry internet warmongers.

Hey, I know some things depend on taste. That's one of the reasons it's so great there are so many reviews available online: one person will never be able to say everything that could be said about a game, but fifty people come a lot closer.
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« Reply #57 on: April 06, 2014, 05:18:39 PM »

Actually I'm vaguely annoyed with what I used to like when I was a teenager, because I liked it for stupid reasons. Like I used to hold up Daggerfall as some paragon of RPGs because it was really, uh, open and had random quests? Basically I was a pretentious little mofo.

Not ashamed about liking any of these, but uh here have some games I enjoyed that everyone else hated:

- I like Ultima 8 a lot. No, it's nowhere near as good as 7*, but I thought it had a genuinely interesting world to explore.

- I liked CC more than CT. And I could analyze why but I won't because the reason's pretty simple -- the emotional response that I used to get from CT is something that I now get from CC.

- SaGa is my favorite Square series, and I've enjoyed all of the SaGa games I've played. The only ones I haven't played are RS2, the GB game remakes, and the WSC card game that was sort of nominally part of the series.

- DQ7's maybe my third favorite DQ game.

- fwiw I like Contact, Opoona, and Time Stalkers. Also from what I played of that Treasure action RPG on the Genesis I really liked it, and having a shadow under your dude made platforming a LOT easier than in Landstalker.

* Given how much of a fan of U7 I am this isn't saying much, though ;)
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« Reply #58 on: April 06, 2014, 05:24:58 PM »

Wait, are you saying people think Dragon Quest VII's bad? It's hard, and the pacing is..weird to say the least, but I thought it had a pretty positive reaction.

Admittedly, the level curve is ridiculously steep at the start.
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« Reply #59 on: April 06, 2014, 10:21:41 PM »

Wait, are you saying people think Dragon Quest VII's bad? It's hard, and the pacing is..weird to say the least, but I thought it had a pretty positive reaction.

Admittedly, the level curve is ridiculously steep at the start.

Dragon Quest VII has some really great plot arcs, the problem is the sheer amount of stuff you need to do in the game. There are like almost 20 different regions you have to visit in the past, each with their own plot arc, and each you need to revisit at least once more in the present era to get the keys needed to head to the next region.

And that's just the first disk.

And yeah, there are quite a number of points where you can easily get stuck in and have to grind your way out. Even more than Weigraf, Gracos will always be 'that one boss' to me. It doesn't help matters if you choose your classes poorly since it takes forever to level them up and there are penalties for class changing on top of that.
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