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Gaming hobby hygiene and community (discussion)
« on: April 18, 2016, 10:34:30 AM »
I've been gaming, much like most here, for A LOOONG TIME. I also, much like most (I imagine), get excited to discuss and pour over news and the games that interest me.

But sadly I've come to the conclusion that modern gaming communities online, most journalism regarding the new and upcoming games and basically anything I browse is starting to detract from my enjoyment of this hobby. The problem isn't the current state of affairs per se', the problem is me and what I percieve as both spoiling and a "spoiler".

To be more concise. This is the only corner of the net I feel I can safely discuss my hobby. I can't go anywhere else without one of the following things happening.

1. Coverage of new games contains what I consider spoilers. That is, even before the games come out I end up knowing WAY more about them then I want to. This info can't be dodged either as it is strewn throughout even the most common articles.

2. Too many new games that excite me come out with greater frequency nowadays. It is a FINE TIME to be a gamer, but also hella easy to be distracted by the offerings. Its difficult to be barely out of the gate with a new title you love before seeing the next 2-3 enticing offerings ready to be released. This totally undermines immersion for me. That is, immersion is rather dependent on my ability to fall in love with and get wrapped up in the fiction I am PRESENTLY EXCITED ABOUT. Lets call this point being "a victim of over-stimulation" to be more accurate.

3. Somehow, staying current with gaming trends, news, articles, communities (aside from this one) yields more unhealthy stress and pressure that is fallaciously woven into my hobby. This has always been fun. That is why I do it. It has always been inspiring. The more I read, the less I play and more I feel it becomes about finishing a title to simply start the next.

4. (Very minor gripe) The negativity and nay-saying bums me out a bit. I can't understand for the life of me why it seems like so many people who game have nothing but complaints about their games.

5. Direct correlation here. The more I read about gaming, the less I play games.

This all once again is entirely subjective. Please don't crucify me for it. And thus, bringing me to the final point and summary.

CONCLUSION: RPGFan is the only place I feel safe with my hobby anymore. In the years that have passed, the best experiences I have had, with zero detraction or distraction have been as result of discussion within this community. Upon analysis I can't honestly say why this is. Objectively speaking, it obviously has to do with people who comprise this community so I suppose I want to give praise for the collective efforts here to keep the fictions inspiring and magical. Additionally I want to pose the question to said community, does anyone else feel exclusively loyal and safe here aside from me?

And lastly (the summary) I must express a newly crafted point of view that being exclusive to this community, swearing off the latest articles, focusing on just what is going on in my own back-loggery is what I am now terming good "gaming hygiene". To expand, good-bye to reddit, siliconera, gamefaqs, the many wiki's, youtube channels, lets plays, kotaku articles, and FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY (and my wallet) e-mail alerts on sales and discounts. I never thought intentionally turning a blind eye to large volume of that which has to do with this hobby may in fact prove healthy for it but that is precisely how I'm starting to feel.

Why I am stating all this? Has Klyde gone mad? Perhaps I have. Truth be told, this is just simply something I never really thought on before and felt like sharing.

EDIT: It is my hope that my philosophizing here spawns some talk on what all of you believe to be good gaming hygiene as well.

(Generic Example) (I always finish two games before I buy 1 new one)

So I'd love to hear a bit of focused talk on this, most precisely.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2016, 10:40:56 AM by Klyde Chroma »
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Re: Gaming hobby hygiene and community (discussion)
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2016, 11:46:22 AM »
Now see, I actually consider your #4 point to be my current most MAJOR gripe with the gaming community. I've made it a point to avoid sites and communities that generally have a negative attitude (Reddit, NeoGAF, GameFAQs, etc.) and embrace journalists and YTers and the like that are usually more positive about the medium. It's also why I spend so much time on these forums, because short of a few bad apples that don't come around very often, you guys are very passionate and optimistic about video games.

Also, yes. I've made it a new habit this year (we'll see how long it lasts) to finish one backlog game AND the newest game I'm working on, before moving on to another one. Games that don't really have an end, I tend to step away from once I feel like I've gotten my money's worth (ex. PvZ GW2)

I'm also trying to do away with my "I spent money on it and therefore must finish it" attitude and therefore cutting down on a lot of what I would generally consider part of my backlog. On a related note, I'm really trying to step away from my 100% completionist tendencies except for games I find particularly exceptional (totally going to 100% Dark Cloud 2 now that I have it on my PS4)
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Re: Gaming hobby hygiene and community (discussion)
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2016, 02:02:06 PM »
New games coming out with the quickness is why I usually adopt "next gen" consoles 2-3 years after they are released. The last new game I bought was Freedom Wars (in 2014) and other than Mass Effect, I've never purchased DLC.

I honestly might never get a PS4 because, in all likelihood, it would mean never getting to some titles that I've owned for a long time. 

I also think that the likelihood that I will enjoy an 8th gen game is far less these days than the likelihood that I will enjoy a 5th or 6th gen game.  1995 to about 2008 seems to be my rpg wheelhouse and I doubt with the current shift towards Open World (bleh) and Free-to-Play (ugh) that those days are ever coming back.

Was the Mass Effect trilogy really the most recent RPG I enjoyed? 
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Re: Gaming hobby hygiene and community (discussion)
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2016, 03:50:25 PM »
Kylde and Klutz, I think you both picked up Internet negativity in general.

It's easy to to get pulled in by persuasive negative comments, reviews, headlines when we're bombarded with this information or backlash over social media on any particular issues small and large. The negativity feeds into our mental sorting system as much as we try to block it out and we can feel agitated or negative outlook on life as well. I found a great article: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/escape-drama-bad-news-5-daily-habits/ and am thinking about incorporating some of these filters and techniques to block out the negativity.

On gaming sites, I too, will often turn to RPGfan as a refuge from negative comments on video game stories. I think most of the gamers on this forum are positive for the most part and hyped for games. Often times I can see through negativity and sense the passion in someone else's voice. Sometimes it's not that they're trying to be argumentative, they're just passionate about their point of you. I try to give the other person the benefit of the doubt to challenge my way of thinking to grow as a person - to a point ;).

Anyhow... game on all!

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Re: Gaming hobby hygiene and community (discussion)
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2016, 03:59:49 PM »
^ I had no idea you could change your name on this board...

I was just very confused for a few minutes

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Re: Gaming hobby hygiene and community (discussion)
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2016, 04:00:58 PM »
I thought this thread was going to be about gamers being said to have bad hygiene.
I've seen some really unclean gamers in clubs and convention =(

I can understand the negativity part, but I do think some can be legit.

I mean, sometimes there are games that come out completely broken or not at all what marketing made people think the game would be like and if people pre-ordered it or buy it blindly... they won't be very happy.

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Re: Gaming hobby hygiene and community (discussion)
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2016, 04:59:27 PM »
@Glassjaw - Yep. I asked a mod for assistance in doing so.
@Annubis - Sorry man, I hope I didn't hijack the thread. ;)

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Re: Gaming hobby hygiene and community (discussion)
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2016, 05:15:52 PM »
I thought this thread was going to be about gamers being said to have bad hygiene.
I've seen some really unclean gamers in clubs and convention =(

I can understand the negativity part, but I do think some can be legit.

I mean, sometimes there are games that come out completely broken or not at all what marketing made people think the game would be like and if people pre-ordered it or buy it blindly... they won't be very happy.

It's not just about the context, though. Some people/sites just have a genuinely toxic and/or cynical attitude about gaming. GamesRadar is a great example of a positive site: Over half of its articles are usually skewed toward the negative, after all news tends to happen when something goes wrong, but reading the site doesn't feel like it's a collection of writers out to whine and complain about every little thing they feel isn't perfect. Where some sites seem to chase page views by going out of their way to incite outrage, GR+ simply tries to be fun, current, and trustworthy (AKA the way journalism SHOULD be used to attract readers).

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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2016, 06:39:44 PM »
I think I've mentioned this but I've dropped out of nearly every, uh, gaming community I used to hang around in 'cause of* how prevalent GamersGate got thereins. And moreso than any particular views expressed by that movement, the way that gaming had turned into this... identity politics thing? It's like console wars on steroids. Where everything you do says /something/ about what you support/what your agendas, regardless of whether you're actually in support of it or even aware of all this deep symbolic meaning in your gaming decisions.

My gaming PC's been on for all of 20 minutes since January because I can't navigate Steam culture anymore. All of the reviews there are ironic, and I can't follow hardware debates or whether I should care what framerate I'm getting or what game developer X's standpoint on the current election is.

(And then the negativity's infectious, so I get pissed off and like, vaguebook/whine/etc. I should've identified that sooner and handled it better. Mae culpa~~)

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Re: Gaming hobby hygiene and community (discussion)
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2016, 06:51:40 PM »
Personally I think a lot of the negativity is online, if you got to conventions or stuff the atmosphere is usually quite energetic and positive in my experience.

Honestly that's true for more than gaming I've found, just, all kinds of things.

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Re: Gaming hobby hygiene and community (discussion)
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2016, 10:58:32 AM »


I'm also trying to do away with my "I spent money on it and therefore must finish it" attitude and therefore cutting down on a lot of what I would generally consider part of my backlog.

That one is a HUGE demon I am trying to exercise as well my friend. I think fallout 4 finally broke me of the compulsive habit because I know forcing my way back into and through that one will inevitably demand more money. That rationalization was enough "logic" for me to put it down and realize I did so only because I hated too much about it.



I honestly might never get a PS4 because, in all likelihood, it would mean never getting to some titles that I've owned for a long time. 

I also think that the likelihood that I will enjoy an 8th gen game is far less these days than the likelihood that I will enjoy a 5th or 6th gen game.  1995 to about 2008 seems to be my rpg wheelhouse

^^ I find this to be a beautiful thing right here. You expand on a point I was making in my original post. That is, I gave "^^^ this ^^^" up for the last two years now as the result keeping quasi-current which is something that I'm not sure I am proud of/comfortable with at present.

I'll make my case as blunt as possible. The following games are titles I KNOW I would have loved but likely will never get to as they became a somewhat abandoned agenda for me. And at this point, rather than entice me, they feel like chores I need to tend to in order to "catch up".
--Digital Devil Saga
--Star Ocean 4
--Nier
--Tales of Eternia
--Vay (Sega CD version)
--Dragon Force
--Atelier Totori, Meruru and Shallie (I think these were given up because I just easily get burnt out on the dialogue in these games)
-- Shadow Hearts 2 and Dawn of the New World
-- Skies of Arcadia
-- Xenogears

Kylde and Klutz, I think you both picked up Internet negativity in general.



This is intended as a somewhat broad response to all the comments regarding my minor gripe about negativity.

I listed it as "Minor" because A) it is easy to avoid/ignore and B) I truly believe that if it bothers me the problem is in fact with me. Thing is, this is plenty easy to resolve to simply being mindful of keeping ones focus on their own excitement and sensibilities as opposed to others. No ones opinion or feelings are my own unless I choose to make them so which then in fact completely voids my ability to claim ownership.

The simplest way to achieve steadying my focus is to avoid the (negative) distraction.

Once again though, this is all really minor (and arguably common sense) in the scheme of my "hygiene". I think it FAR more important to not pour over the latest news, screenshots, articles, release dates and press in terms of keeping myself a healthy gamer.

I think I've mentioned this but I've dropped out of nearly every, uh, gaming community I used to hang around in 'cause of* how prevalent GamersGate got thereins. And moreso than any particular views expressed by that movement, the way that gaming had turned into this... identity politics thing? It's like console wars on steroids. Where everything you do says /something/ about what you support/what your agendas, regardless of whether you're actually in support of it or even aware of all this deep symbolic meaning in your gaming decisions.



The real evil of what you describe here Mesh, is something I feel is the ultimate point of all this. That is, ^^ this ^^ completely will undermine what I loved about gaming my whole entire life which is the sense wonder/discovery inherent in the activity. By this I mean the activity of gaming and role playing is a safe way to explore and discover myself internally through my media to a degree and is NOT a means of outwardly expressing ANYTHING about my identity. This will also quickly turn me into a "Critic" which bastardizes the utility of inspiration I achieve via my hobby (this is another discussion entirely).

Once the games I play/support become something more than an activity and assume the role of some "statement" the whole enchilada becomes grossly perverted IMO.

On that note, I tip my hat to you for bowing out of the communities as you expressed. A few day in and I already have reddit withdrawal!! LoL
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2016, 11:46:02 PM »
It was less leaving communities because they made me feel bad and more just... feeling alienated to the point where I didn't even care about interacting with them anymore, and just not coming back? And I do this a lot and on very short notice? Like I'm pretty aware that there were some close friends that I had in 2012 that I just stopped talking to suddenly and completely and now I barely remember them or why I was friends with them in the first place? Or why I stopped talking to them?
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2016, 01:58:28 PM »
It was less leaving communities because they made me feel bad and more just... feeling alienated to the point where I didn't even care about interacting with them anymore, and just not coming back? And I do this a lot and on very short notice? Like I'm pretty aware that there were some close friends that I had in 2012 that I just stopped talking to suddenly and completely and now I barely remember them or why I was friends with them in the first place? Or why I stopped talking to them?

I'm venturing entirely off topic here but the only forum in which I don't tend to feel alienated is within the confines of my work/career. This isn't (in my case) because I am in fact alienated but I just percieve things differently or maintain a different set of values that seriously keep me "on the outside looking in" when it comes to most forms of socialism.

That is, in my case, I've never had any remarkably profound attachment to relationships that were not professional and have easily (and somewhat unintentionally) completely dropped communications with friends and loved ones as a result. This is not because I am intentionally being cold it is just simply how I am. I don't have close friends, relationships et cetera.... And while it is not that I am opposed to the idea, or never gave "serious" relationships an honest effort, it just is not where my values lie I suppose. There is probably some new-age "brand" or personality type I could be identified as in all likelihood, but by my measure I function just fine :)

This does however bring me full circle to a point within the topic, which is I do find value in this (RPGFan) community and have for years. This is also a point with causation I simply can't identify. That is relevant here, whether I value socialism or not because, it IS an inherent part of gaming that enhances the experience. I find this necessary leg of my gaming career exclusively in these forums I suppose and I like that A LOT more than multiplayer, or  interacting with my PSN "friends".

Henceforth, part of my "hygiene" is to include socialism as an aspect of my gaming. Even without maintaining that value in the really real world. I tend to that "need" here (and will continue to do so exclusively, thus the point of my original post).

I don't even know what I am getting at really but your posts/responses always antagonize these type of "reflections" for me Mesh, so for what its worth thank you for always helping me fine tune my philosophizing. LOL
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Re: Gaming hobby hygiene and community (discussion)
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2016, 02:41:57 PM »
I value socialism.  but only because I'm a total pinko.

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