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Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2018, 06:19:09 PM »
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Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2018, 07:03:18 PM »
https://gematsu.com/2018/07/roguelike-rpg-yuuna-and-the-haunted-hot-springs-steam-dungeon-announced-for-ps4

Those of you who were disappointed at the previous boobie dungeon crawler not making it over, please do not despair, for Furyu has you uncovered with a game in the hot springs dungeon crawling sub-genre. :V
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Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2018, 08:38:39 PM »
Hot springs dungeon crawler subgenre is 100% a thing

http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/MeiQ_Labyrinth_of_Death/index.html

(And, yes, in that review I actually criticize Idea Factory for not "Idea Factory-ing" enough.)
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Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2018, 09:08:11 AM »
Yeah, Aeolus, it is indeed a sad day for The Legendary Zoltan. I can read Japanese just fine, so I could play it if I want, but I was hoping to play it in my native language anyway. I'll probably download the Japanese version at some point, but all this censorship of art from foreign countries is a massive bummer. I once heard a dude on YouTube say that Western gaming is dead because thanks to all the censorship and cries for forced diversity and all that, nobody is actually just making the game they want to make. And now I'm starting to agree. Thanks for trying to cheer me up with the hot springs RPG, though. ^_^
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Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2018, 09:26:38 AM »
I'm not going to say it's a win, but it's certainly not a loss. I didn't see anything from a gameplay perspective that made it stand out, and there are already better ecchi games on the PS4 and certainly the PC. I'm sure people who were looking forward to it are going to be disappointed, and probably worried as to what kind of precedent this could set...but it could still work out in end. I mean, looking at Omega Labyrinth Z, it really doesn't look like it would've been cost effective for them to release it outside of Japan, and I certainly hope the lessons they learned will help them in the future.

Maybe next time they won't choose a game that isn't risque enough to be porn, but deals with subjects that rating boards really don't approve of? That's long and complicated enough that trying to change content that complies with their demands would require a ton of work, and probably just anger their niche fanbase anyways?

You know, silver lining and all that jazz....
No man, it IS a loss. It doesn't matter if it is good or not in your personal opinion. I would assume it was expected to be cost effective by the localization company, otherwise they wouldn't have localized it. Now they've done all that work and then had to cancel the game 3 months before release. So there's another loss. I don't think creative people who have an idea for something they want to make should have to say to themselves, "This deals with subjects that rating boards don't approve of, so I guess I just can't make it." I'm really not seeing the silver lining here. Is it that next time they'll self censor themselves enough so that they can get their game, which is no longer a true reflection of the vision they had, to be released in the western market?

Anyway, having criticized your point of view, I would very much like to hear what the better ecchi PS4 games are.
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Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2018, 12:03:35 PM »
I don't think creative people who have an idea for something they want to make should have to say to themselves, "This deals with subjects that rating boards don't approve of, so I guess I just can't make it."

You're giving them too much credit here, and yes, they should. The ratings board is there for a reason: to keep the government from meddling. While it's not always fair, there's no question that people love to overreact, and if they let this stuff fly unchanged, they could've caused more headaches for everyone involved. This isn't the first time a game had to denied due to content, and while ratings boards can be a little too crusade-y, especially in different parts of the world, and their reasoning isn't always justified...in this case, I don't think anyone could've justified the sexualization of a child character in a commercial game like this. PQube wanted to keep it as close to the source material as possible, and if they really thought they could get away with leaving things unchanged regarding that character without causing a commotion, then they've officially learned their lesson and will hopefully choose their next game to localize more carefully. There's a case to be made for artistic vision, but at the end of the day, they're a company. Too many people's livelyhoods are involved to risk them over an exploitative bargain-bin RPG.

With that said, I looked around a little more for other ecchi games on the PS4, and I think a lot of what I was thinking of was for the PS3 and especially on the PC...Steam really doesn't give a fuck anymore, so if you want your titillation with the possibility of going all the way via uncensored patches distributed via the publishers' websites, you're honestly better off looking there. You get your cheesecake and eat it in all of its original glory, too.

On the PS4: I'm pretty sure the Neptunia games still count as an ecchi series? It's hard to tell, since they're actually decent RPGs now. Nothing mindblowing, and I still don't find a lot of its humor funny, but it's already a decent option that stands above most others I could find. Then there's Dead or Alive 5: Last Round - not purely ecchi by any means, but it knows how to do fanservice right on all fronts, while also being a genuinely fun and fairly well-balanced fighting game that's easy enough for casual players to get into. It's not Tekken or Virtua Fighter, but it still a stand-out fighting game series.

Getting into more blatant territory, I very much enjoyed watching streams of Akiba's Trip and Onechanbara, the latter I've almost rented several times in the past since it seemed like a cheese-y fun B-Movie-esque game, but I just have a hard-set rule regarding Zombie games - they don't go anywhere near my collection. I've already tossed what few exceptions were left in my library by now, actually. Otherwise, that seems very much the case, and it reminds me why ecchi RPGs doesn't stand out as much to me - a turn-your-brain-off silly, risque romp is best served in small doses, and shouldn't overstay their welcome...an RPG almost certainly will. That's also why I'm not gonna mention Senran Kangoku, since I was honestly bored to death by those repentive brawlers. That might by a problem more with the genre than anything, but I still have seen much better and more fun interpretations that what they've presented so far in the first two games...and it's only gotten weirder/sillier instead of mechanically more engaging from what I've seen...

Similarly, Gal Gun just seems like it'd be too repetitive to hold my interests, though more for the opposite reason than the others - there just doesn't look like there's enough content to justify a purchase, IMO. I has a fun concept, is very fun to watch, but unless it gets an arcade cabinet that I'd see at a rest stop near here, I doubt I'd ever play it, since it looks like it'd only hold my attention for a round or two before I've had my fill and moved on...that's, what, $2 at a modern arcade? $4? They got really expensive last I checked...
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Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2018, 01:43:32 PM »
When it comes to Hentai gaming, if Jast USA or MangaGamer doesn't have it, you don't want it.  Localized hentai games are more numerous than fleas on a shaggy sheepdog, so I'd venture that a healthy portion of what's available is degenerate crap.  Those sites can be like going down the proverbial rabbit hole, so caveat emptor.  If you end up seeing things you can't unsee, don't say I didn't warn you. 

My favorite H-game is Crescendo because it has gorgeous writing.  That game is one of my favorite VNs, period, and even the endings where characters don't end up naked are very nicely done and don't necessarily feel like "bad endings" at all.  Or for something different, I recently played a demo of this gritty film-noir style match-3 puzzler called Metropolis: Lux Obscura that had no shortage of R-rated content, yet was slick, stylish, and fun to play. 

And, as I said earlier, I'm still not buying the "censorship alarmist" argument. 

Censorship alarmists may try to cry foul and use the "slippery slope" argument, but I don't think there is anything to worry about.  Gratuitous sex and violence in video games will always be there.  Games like HuniePop and Grand Theft Auto certainly aren't hurting for sales.  I think the biggest squick issue with Omega Z is/was the "loli" factor.  Sexualizing children is criminally and morally wrong in pretty much every country of the world. No matter how much you retool the script to say the girls are 18+, anyone can plainly see that several Omega Z characters are hyper-sexualized schoolgirls under the age of consent.  Criminal Girls tried to script it so that all the girls were 18 or older, but one look at the game and you know several of them were kids.  I STILL wonder how in blue blazes both of those games got through the rating boards, because they were 50 million shades of wrong, nope, and WTFisthisIdon'teven...

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Re: A JRPG About BOOBS!
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2018, 08:42:26 PM »
Yeah, Aeolus, it is indeed a sad day for The Legendary Zoltan. I can read Japanese just fine, so I could play it if I want, but I was hoping to play it in my native language anyway. I'll probably download the Japanese version at some point, but all this censorship of art from foreign countries is a massive bummer. I once heard a dude on YouTube say that Western gaming is dead because thanks to all the censorship and cries for forced diversity and all that, nobody is actually just making the game they want to make. And now I'm starting to agree. Thanks for trying to cheer me up with the hot springs RPG, though. ^_^
The game has an underage character getting molested.  Honestly, were it up to me, I would look up every single person involved in the localization  of this game and hand over their names to the authorities.  I would rather pedophile garbage remain in Japan.

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« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2018, 10:20:27 PM »
Why am I reminded of the guy who went to jail for teaching his dog the Hitler salute in terms of serious topics being brought up over the most silly things?

I hate censorship, but at the end of the day it feels like a pointless argument because the morality of the issue is irrelevant: it's just business. I'd argue that video game censorship never has anything to do with morals. In this case I'm convinced Sony doesn't care about the morality regarding the game's content, they just don't want the bad PR that might come with it.

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I feel I should expand a bit. I've argued frequently about why I hate censorship, but after so many years it feels like such a futile debate. Even if I managed to convince someone on the internet (HAH), it won't change the minds of the people making the decisions. It feels like we're just a bunch of people bickering in an arena while the publishing overlords watch. Our arguments mean nothing to them as long as the game sells. And hey, if they feel that leaving the next game unchanged won't affect sales, why not boast about how it's uncensored so that you look like the good guy?

I'm not going to pretend like it's just video games. As I get older I look around and see the same controversies played out over and over. It's so exhausting, and ultimately feels completely meaningless. I just try my best to support the people/businesses/products that I think are doing a good job, and try (try, try, try, and many times fail) to ignore the rest.
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« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2018, 01:53:33 AM »
You're entitled to that opinion, but this game has the player crossing the moral event horizon by molesting a clearly underage player.  As far as I'm concerned, Sony is totally justified in not approving the game over on this side of the pond.  If anything, I am annoyed this game was even made.  I have no problem with gaming addressing controversial content, but having the player engage in clearly unethical behavior is beyond the pale.

There's a part of me that's disgusted with the localization company to the point that I will never purchase any of the games they localize in protest over choosing to localize this trash.
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« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2018, 02:40:25 AM »
You're entitle to that opinion, but this game has the player crossing the moral event horizon by molesting a clearly underage player.  As far as I'm concerned, Sony is totally justified in not approving the game over on this side of the pond.  If anything, I am annoyed this game was even made.  I have no problem with gaming addressing controversial content, but having the player engage in clearly unethical behavior is beyond the pale.

There's a part of me that's disgusted with the localization company to the point that I will never purchase any of the games they localize in protest over choosing to localize this trash.
If you truly feel so strongly about it, then refusing to support the localisation company is absolutely the right thing to do. I simply think people are autonomous and should have the freedom to purchase what entertainment they want and ignore what they don't, without the moral guidance of a business whose only interest is their bottom line. Personally, I was never going to purchase this anyway. Ecchi/H games don't interest me, so it's not like I have a personal stake in the matter beyond the ideological issue of censorship.

As for that ideological issue, mind if I ask what, to you, the difference is between this and, say, Grand Theft Auto for making the player do immoral things? I don't mean to put you on the defensive, I'm just genuinely curious why one is considered 'crossing the moral horizon', but the other is not.
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« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2018, 04:20:23 AM »
I don't play Grand Theft Auto for the same reason I want nothing to do with this game.  I find the premise offensive and want nothing to do with the game.  Essentially, when it comes to gaming, I want to play the hero, not the villain.  Also, for me, as someone who has family who've been the victim of child molesters, I find the idea of a game that allows you to be one absolutely disgusting.  I simply can't accept the premise of this game for that reason.  The developers, if they wanted to release the game in the West should've eliminated the underage character from the game.

This is especially so when I think all rapists and child molesters should be executed*.  As far as I am concerned such crimes are on par with premeditated murder and should be punished as such.

As a very quick aside into politics, I support the death penalty on philosophical, but not practical grounds.  As far as I am concerned, if you commit premeditated rape, murder or sexually molest a child, you deserve death.  On the other hand, our justice system isn't perfect and under no circumstances should an innocent person be executed for a crime they didn't commit.  Unfortunately our justice system sometimes convicts the wrong people and so long as there is a non-zero chance of an innocent being executed, the most severe punishment our system can mete out should be life in prison without the possibility of parole or pardon.

Back to gaming.  As far as I'm concerned, h/ecchi games are kind of pointless.  Seriously, I don't see the point when there's pornography and erotica.

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« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2018, 06:40:30 AM »
I obviously don't feel as strongly about the topic, but thanks for sharing. I appreciate the consistency at least, as I've never grasped why mass-murder is acceptable in media, but sexuality is the barrier that should never be crossed. I tend to be an 'anything goes' guy, but I at least appreciate the opposite, 'I want none of it' camp.

The death penalty is an interesting topic. On a personal level, I wouldn't WANT to spend my entire life in prison: I'd rather just be killed and have done. As you said though, it is unavoidable to kill at least some innocent people in the process: justice is never perfect, after all. At the end of the day, it's a very complex issue, and I'm glad to not be the one making the final decision.
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« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2018, 07:26:49 AM »
And I *still* think censorship alarmism is a bit of a straw man argument.  As I said earlier, gratuitous sex and violence in video games will always be there.  So we get gaming news every so often that a few naughty games were toned down or denied localization.  Big deal.  There is plenty of unadulterated stuff out there to scratch whatever bizarre fetish itch you may have.  Have you seen the sheer number of titles available on MangaGamer?  Let's just say that the "porno game" industry is NOT hurting at all. 

And, of course, there are those games released through more mainstream channels where we're left asking, "How on Earth did THAT make it past the Decency Police?"  I mentioned the Criminal Girls games earlier, where some of their attempts to tone down the squicky content actually backfired in my mind.  http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/Criminal_Girls_2_Party_Favors/index.html 

Then there's the argument that even the outcry of "OMG censorship!"= publicity and there is no such thing as bad publicity.  Cannibal Corpse is one of the finest death metal bands out there (I'm an enormous fan of their bassist), but their music has been banned in several countries because of their brutally violent lyrics and album art.  All that controversy did was make the band bigger. 
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« Reply #44 on: July 14, 2018, 05:10:20 PM »
And I *still* think censorship alarmism is a bit of a straw man argument.  As I said earlier, gratuitous sex and violence in video games will always be there.  So we get gaming news every so often that a few naughty games were toned down or denied localization.  Big deal.  There is plenty of unadulterated stuff out there to scratch whatever bizarre fetish itch you may have.
Sorry, but I can't agree with this argument. To me it smacks of over-generalisation and can be too easily abused.

Why bother localising Zero/Ao no Kiseki? We already have plenty of JRPGS.
Why bother making that Anthem game? We already have plenty of shooters.
Remember PT? Don't worry about it friend: you know how many horror games there are?
(Heck, why even bother making any video games when there's so dang many that most people have a backlog of things that they will never get to?)

I think almost everything has something to offer. Even if it might not appeal to me, people who can get something out of it have that right as long as its not hurting anybody. I mean, I didn't care for Cannibal Corpse when I listened to metal, but wouldn't it frustrate you if their music WAS banned and my response was, "Eh, who cares: metal will always be there. Big deal. There's plenty of stuff to scratch that itch."? To put it another way, I live in Arizona, so we have a lot of Mexican restaurants. But each one is a little different: some have killer chimis, some have awesome tacos, others have some great enchiladas... Sure if one closes you can say, 'don't worry about it, there's plenty of Mexican restaurants' and not be wrong. That won't stop me from lamenting the loss of the unnamed hole-in-the-wall that had the best Carne Asada I've ever had.

The other problem I have with that argument is (and one I frequently see all the time in these debates): if it's not a big deal, why change it to begin with?
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