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Eusis
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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2007, 08:09:50 PM »

I may not be a moderator, but please, don't go running around and apologizing in multiple threads over something that wasn't a real problem anyway.
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2007, 08:38:08 PM »

IGN review - 7.4:
http://ds.ign.com/articles/788/788909p1.html

They gave a 6.5 to sound because of the SFX! But what about the awesome Koshiro FM-synth music, it's definitely worth more than that.
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2007, 08:46:09 PM »

Just bought it. Seems pretty good so far. The graphics are startlingly good for a handheld game.
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2007, 09:08:11 PM »

I'm waiting on my copy. I ordered online.

I don't except very many reviews to be outstanding. This isn't an RPG for the mainstream, afterall.
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2007, 09:37:14 PM »

I've spent about 2 hours in the game so far (just finished the first floor). My impressions:

Visuals and music are both great for a DS game.

Difficulty level has been hard enough as to require several trips back to town, but not hard enough to be overly frustrating. This is with my Survivalist, Dark Hunter, Troubador, Medic, Alchemist party. So far, I've had two characters die on me.

Enemies don't drop gold. Instead they drop body parts which can be sold back at town or used to complete quests. Selling items back at town often results in new items in the shops depending on what item you sell.

The skill system works like this: each character has the same number of skills available to them although which skills varies depending on the class. You start out with 3 skill points and gain an additional skill point each LV-up. LVing up a skill requires 1 point regardless of level. Also apparently you get a few extra skill points if you retire a high level character and start a new character. Skills often have skill prerequisites (1 or 2 specific skills at certain levels of proficiency), but no LV requirements. Pressing A on an unlocked skill tells you what skills are needed to unlock it. I believe LV10 is the max for individual skills. Skills seem to fall under the following characters:

Magic/Technique Skills - Your standard "Spend TP for an effect" skill.
Permanent stat Boosts - seems like all class have HP & TP Up and some classes have additional stat boost skills (like Agi Up for the Survivalist).
Passive Skills - some examples would include the Medic's ability to heal a small amount of health to all party members automatically without spending TP at the end of each battle or the Troubador's skill to increase the rate that XP is gained.
Harvesting Skills - there are 3 of these and they can be used at specific locations in the dungeon to harvest items. Increasing the skill LV increases the # of times per day (game days, not realtime) they can be used. Very important. The Survivalist has access to all 3 of the skills whereas most classes have access to 1.
Proficiency Skills - These are passive skills that are mainly used to unlock new skills although they often also boost the power of skills in their tree. Examples would be the Survivalist Bow skill and the Alchemist's Fire Up skill.

My opinion of the classes I've used so far:

Survivalist - Bow fighter with some nice support skills like a passive skill that increases the rate of pre-emptive attacks and a spell that boosts party speed. Fast with decent damage. The harvesting skills look like they'll come in handy as well.

Troubador - Average fighter with tons of support spells. They have spells to boost most statistics, restore HP or TP gradually per turn, add elemental damage to weapons, increase resistance to a certain element while decreasing resistance in the enemy, and so on. The aforementioned XP boosting passive ability looks like their ultimate ability (in my book anyway). Looks like a class that'll start out slow, but could end up very useful at high levels after they've unlocked some of the more powerful abilities.

Dark Hunter - Warrior with special attacks that boost damage and add negative effects. There are two sets of techinques; one set for whips and one set for swords. Not sure about this class just yet, but the early poison whip technique does very nice damage when it hits and the poison does a surprisingly large amount of damage per turn as well (about as much as the attack did in the first place).

Medic - As expected, this is your class with a ton of healing techniques. Pretty much what you would expect from such a class although I did notice a high level physical attack technique called Caduceus that costs a good chunk of TP and has a stun effect added to it which might make a combat oriented Medic worth trying out.

Alchemist - Specializes in fire, ice, thunder, and poison magic. Also has a couple of miscellaneous spells for outside combat. So far, her basic Fire spell is 1-hit killing everything.

Miscellaneous battle information:

Anyone can fight, regardless of which row they're on although it looks like there's a penalty for attacks from the back row. I believe bow attacks are exempt from this penalty.

Each character has a Boost command which is basically a limit break that boosts the power of their next move. The Dark Hunter has a skill that increases the effectiveness of Boost.

Final thoughts:

I think I'm going to enjoy this game a lot. The two hours I played went by quickly. The combination of exploration, map drawing (gotta love being able to quickly enter in notes via the touch screen keyboard), combat, and character planning looks like it's going to make for many fun hours.
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2007, 10:07:54 PM »

This is what I like to hear.  :D

Thanks for this nice little preview of the skill system and character classes, Robert.
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2007, 10:21:59 PM »

Great, it sounds like Wizardry meets SaGa. Someone buy me a DS >:(
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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2007, 12:46:09 AM »

So I tried out the second floor and the difficulty ramped up nicely. There are a number of boss monsters on the floor who wander around that can make mincemeat out of my LV6 guys. Luckily you can see them on the map as you're exploring so you can dodge them if you're not ready for them. Most of them just pace back and forth (1 step everytime you move), but I ran into one who saw me and then started chasing until I got our of his area.

Oh and I checked out the other 2 classes (excluding the Ronin & Hexer since those apparently are hidden classes that need to be unlocked).

Protector - Your Paladin character. I ended up replacing my Medic with one of these. Only has Heal 1 & 2 as far as healing goes (compared to the wide variety of heal spells that the medic has), but he has good defense and health allowing me to stick him on the front row and stick my Survivalist on the back row. Basically I was getting tired of my Medic being less than useful in actual combat; now all of my characters have a solid attack option. Aside from the 2 healing spells and the 1 high level shield attack skill, most everything else either protects the Protector, prevents enemies from attacking other characters, or boosts party defenses.

Landsknecht - Warrior. Good attack, good defense. Lots of sword techniques and a couple of axe techniques. Has one passive ability that give them a chance for a double attack. Also has some elemental weapon attacks. Looks like a good addition to any party.
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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2007, 01:05:06 PM »

Hawt.

Thanks for the in-depth coverage. I'm definitely going to get this ASAP. :)
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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2007, 03:12:00 PM »

The word 'Landsknecht' looks morderately difficult to pronounce.
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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2007, 08:45:25 PM »

I picked the game up and wow. I've not played too much yet, but it's probably safe to say that this is the hardest RPG I've played in awhile when I have brushes with death on the first floor then get wiped in an encounter. Maybe I'll have to get myself one of those Protectors.
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« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2007, 01:02:39 AM »

I'm about halfway through the second floor. Eusis said it! This game is rough! There is lots of grinding to be done and even then, combat still requires clever use of magic and and abilities to survive. On every floor, I have to make frequent trips back to town (I have to go back between every special encounter on the second floor, of which there about about six or eight).

All in all, it's good fun though. The skill system is pretty interesting and requires a great deal of planning ahead to get the skills you want without just wasting your points on skills you aren't going to use. But, the fact that two of the classes are unlockable is pretty lame (even more so since there are only nine). Especially considering that if you want to use them once you unlock them, you're probably going to have to level them all the way up from level 1.

Although, seriously, if you don't like long periods of grinding, probably you won't like this game.
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« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2007, 03:32:23 AM »

By unlockable, maybe they mean something like in Wizardry 1-3 & 5 or FF1 where certain classes evolve into a sort of better class.
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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2007, 08:10:51 AM »

Keep in mind that by the time you'll be able to retire a more experienced character and turn them into one of the 2 locked classes once you've unlocked them so it won't be quite as bad as starting from scratch.  Characters created by retiring someone get better stats and extra skill points (I believe 1 extra skill point for each 10 LVs excluding LV1).
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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2007, 09:54:15 AM »

Quote from: "MeshGearFox"
By unlockable, maybe they mean something like in Wizardry 1-3 & 5 or FF1 where certain classes evolve into a sort of better class.


That's what I thought at first. But something in the manual (or maybe that was said by the guy at the recruitment hall) leads me to believe it's like Robert says...

Quote from: "Robert Boyd"
Keep in mind that by the time you'll be able to retire a more experienced character and turn them into one of the 2 locked classes once you've unlocked them so it won't be quite as bad as starting from scratch.  Characters created by retiring someone get better stats and extra skill points (I believe 1 extra skill point for each 10 LVs excluding LV1).


You can swap members out of your party at any time (like Wizardry 1-5 and Bard's Tale) and replace them with new ones. Apparently, they get stat bonuses for it too. Still, that's kind of annoying.
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