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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2007, 01:53:00 PM »

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All asshattery aside, before delving into RPGs ask yourself the following questions so that the more informed can better guide you in your selection.

What is it you like about the few RPGs you've played?  

What do you hope to get out of RPGs?  In other words, are you in it more for the storylines that are often deeper than other genres?  Are you in it for the unique gameplay experience?  Are you in it for the whole package and the "mojo" that the RPG experience offers that other genres don't?  

How high do you rate the aspects of graphics, music, story, and gameplay in a potential gaming experience?  For example, for someone who wants pretty graphics and a killer story I might recommend Xenosaga or FF12 over Atelier Iris (which had a weak story and 2D graphics, but deep gameplay and amazing music.)  

What other genres of games do you enjoy?  Why do you enjoy them?  Do any aspects of that enjoyment transfer over to RPGs?  For example, if a person likes action platformers, I'd more likely recommend an action RPG over a turn-based or strategy RPG.  

Honestly, it's hard to recommend stuff without knowing what it is you want out of your gaming experience and what your current tastes in gaming are.  Tastes are subjective and vary widely.  Some RPGs that people fawn over, I didn't think were anything special.  Some RPGs that I fawn over, others think aren't anything special.  

We have a talented staff of review writers whose reviews are there specifically to help guide your gaming decisions.  However, I do understand that many people have a mistrust of critics.  Be assured, though, that RPGfan policy is that one must finish a game before reviewing it.  After all, some games may be slow to warm up but become awesome later on.  Xenogears comes to mind here because it was only after the first exhausting 10 hours that the story really opened up.  And other games start off strong, but peter out.  Odin Sphere comes to mind here because though it's fun for the first 15 or so hours, it gets really repetitive and difficulty balance issues become a pain.  

And RPGs themselves vary widely despite being under that same umbrella.  It's like with metal music.  Dream Theater sounds very different from Pantera, yet they're both metal.  

In other words, recommending RPGs is as easy as recommending music or anime.  It's not.  It's wholly dependent on the querant's tastes.


Well, right now I'm really into Tales of Symphonia, but not as much into Dragon Quest VIII.

I think it's because...
1. ToS has a much better plot.
2. In ToS, the battle sequences are more action than strategy (in DQ the fights are dull and repetitive.
3. The enemies SUCK in DQ.
4. The animation is really good in ToS.
5. There is a lot more to DO in ToS.
6. ToS has a more comical and advanced dialogue than DQ.
7. The characters are a lot cooler in ToS.
8. The bosses are harder in ToS than in DQ.
9. DQ is just WAY too easy.

I just want to know what an expert on this subject would recommend for someone who knows nothing. What is similar to the Tales series?
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2007, 03:25:23 PM »

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Geez dont throw him into a grindfest so easily.

If you're totally new to RPGs, try the Paper Mario series, they're very lighthearted and fun. FFX isn't a bad choice either

I thought I was being good by not mentioning Megaten games or Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance, as they're definitely not for beginners. I forgot that Arcadia was a grindfest, and as far as I can remember it was actually pretty easy and not particularly difficult to get to grips with. If anything, FF X is a lot harder than Skies of Arcadia.

Edit: Okay, maybe not a lot harder, but certainly SoA didn't have any unnecessarily hard bosses, like in FF X.
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2007, 07:49:37 PM »

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9. DQ is just WAY too easy.


ToS isn't even remotely difficult.

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6. ToS has a more comical and advanced dialogue than DQ.


It has funnier dialogue. Not more comical. The phrase 'more comical' is some retarded carp invented by mobile phone companies to sell JAMDAT's latest mowbyul barf.

Also, it's just a goddamn game genre. You don't have to hold their hand and gentle introduce them to it like it's, I don't know. It's gaming. Jesus. We didn't have beginner's games back in the day. Not until Roberta Williams made Mixed Up Mothergoose which was actually a pretty amusing counterpoint to her suggestive posing for softporn adventure, but anyway, yeah. This is RPGing, and the person in question is probably old enough to not be warped by seeing Williams' cleavage, so it's not like you're forking over Softporn Adventure to a 10 year old(although given how the last Leisure Suit Larry went, I'm guessig anyone OVER ten would probably not find it that funny.)

Anyway, right. I recommend Summoner 2.
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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2007, 08:04:12 PM »

I mostly think of games that're fun and not TOO challenging. If you thrusted SMT:N at me when I was 8 or even 14, I'd probably have been overwhelmed, rather than considering a good challenge. Then again, trying to think of examples of hard games in other genres, like platforming... Umm, Megaman didn't really do much to scare me away from platformers or anything, so whatever.

Kratos: If you consider DQ too easy, you should probably look into the MegaTen games afterall. They're not really OMFG SUPER HARD unless you play ont he hard modes (maybe), but they've got a good challenge, moreso than most modern RPGs.

... I should've read the first post more before suggesting ToS. I guess the name would've been an indicator, but he could've been a God of War fan too.
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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2007, 02:14:05 AM »

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I just want to know what an expert on this subject would recommend for someone who knows nothing. What is similar to the Tales series?


As far as I know, Star Ocean: Till the End of Time comes pretty close.
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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2007, 03:54:27 AM »

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I just want to know what an expert on this subject would recommend for someone who knows nothing. What is similar to the Tales series?


As far as I know, Star Ocean: Till the End of Time comes pretty close.


True, but SO: Second Story is a better game.
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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2007, 04:06:34 AM »

I like 3's combat more and it's easier to find.
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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2007, 04:33:39 AM »

Kratos, if you're going to go with Eusis's suggestion of MegaTen games, try Digital Devil Saga first. It's not /that/ hard, and is more like the other games you've played than say, Nocturne. I don't know how easy DDS 1 is to find, though.
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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2007, 06:23:27 AM »

In Japan, DDS1 costs $5 and can be found in any second-hand shop.  The domestic version, however, fetches up to ~$86 on eBay these days.  Example.
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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2007, 06:24:36 AM »

That's complete though. While obviously the ideal version, you could probably find just DDS1 for much less at GameStop or something. Admittedly, it's probably $40 or something there.
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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2007, 06:32:55 AM »

It amazes me that "incomplete" copies of DDS1 can even exist.  The game's not more than a couple years old.  For NES/SNES games, I can see people losing the boxes/manuals over the course of 15-20 years, but PS2?  That's straight-up careless.  Shame on those folk, take pride in the things you own. :P
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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2007, 06:39:08 AM »

Actually, I was thinking 'incomplete' as in 'case, manual, and game, but no music CD or fancy box'. More like losing the strategy guide for PSII or to lose all the random bullshit the two Lunar games came with.
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« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2007, 01:10:17 PM »

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1. ToS has a much better plot.
2. In ToS, the battle sequences are more action than strategy (in DQ the fights are dull and repetitive.
3. The enemies SUCK in DQ.
4. The animation is really good in ToS.
5. There is a lot more to DO in ToS.
6. ToS has a more comical and advanced dialogue than DQ.
7. The characters are a lot cooler in ToS.
8. The bosses are harder in ToS than in DQ.
9. DQ is just WAY too easy.


The first 4 of those can be applied to most rpgs compared to Symphonia.

As for rubbish enemies, those monsters have probably been in every DQ game since before the dawn of civilisation, so to change them now would be stupid - and DQ is meant to be silly anyway. In fact every rpg ever has rubbish enemies, except of course MegaTen games - you can't go wrong with obscure gods and sex demons.

And as for point 6, Symphonia does not have more advanced dialogue than DQ. 95% of Symphonia's dialogue is immature humour aimed at 12-year-old boys. DQ doesn't rely on innuendo for humour, and plust the dialogue is so much better written than ToS's. And DQ's main comic relief character isn't a complete bastard like Zelos Wilder - it's a king who looks like a Toad and a Cockney thief.

And for point 5, DQ is twice as long as ToS.

And ToS's "cool" characters aren't so cool when you consider that
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one's a pervert and the other killed his girlfriend.


Backtracking to point 1, ToS takes its plot WAY too seriously.

And for 4, neither ToS nor DQ's characters have good animation. The only cell-shaded game I've played where they do is Digital Devil Saga, and there characters' lips actually look like they're moving.
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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2007, 03:58:09 PM »

Wow, dude, lots of Symphonia hate here. I thought ToS was fun, and didn't take itself seriously at all. There WERE some serious aspects to it: genocide and losing one's humanity, but besides that, it was pretty much treated as a fun romp. I didn't see a lot of innuendo, it was extremely innocent, all around. 12 year old boys would hate it, because it's too innocent. Only young children and adults would really enjoy that level of innocence. The dialog was actually quite good, I thought. But you're comparing it to a game (DQVIII) that had, quite possibly, the best dialog and VA in recent video game history. ToS was much more standard RPG fare, but for standard fare, it was top notch.

ToS isn't anywhere as good as Tales of the Abyss, but its aim was quite different. TotA is dead-serious, and done to perfection, ToS was looser and more innocent, but I think both excelled at what they were trying to accomplish. The hot coffee scene (no, not THAT hot coffee scene!) remains one of the more powerful cutscenes I've witnessed in a game.

And, btw: that pervert and girlfriend killer comment is total BS. It's not like Regal WANTED to kill his girlfriend, he had no choice, she wasn't even really "her" anymore. And even then, he was so remorseful that he turned himself in and handcuffed himself. Regal is lawful/good to the point of being obnoxious.  If he has one fault it's that he won't forgive himself for doing something that really was the right thing to do. And pervert? How do you figure? If we're talking about Zelos, he was just a skirt chaser, and a pretty lousy one at that. It was simple comic relief at his expense. Zelos wasn't supposed to be "cool", he was supposed to be cocky to the point of being childish. In any case, Mr. "Idiot Chosen" and "El Presedante" are probably my least favorite characters in the game, anyway.
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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2007, 06:27:16 PM »

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