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« on: December 28, 2007, 07:19:33 AM »

But I don't feel like registering Republican. And you need to do that to vote for him in the primaries?

Anyone here gonna vote for RP in the primaries? Did anyone here change their party affiliation so they COULD vote for him in the primaries?

I'd love to hear from other RP-fans. I think this guy is pretty freakin awesome.

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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2007, 09:25:11 AM »

I'm going to vote for him, who cares if you have to register republican or not.
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2007, 11:04:17 AM »

When I first heard his positions on things, I was pretty enamored with the guy. However, I found out later that he's a little bit too libertarian for my tastes.

I like his "stop butting our noses in" policy, as well as his determination for the US to become lots more self-reliant. However, his policies toward the environment, and his desire to get rid of certain government agencies such as the Department of Education and the EPA rub me the wrong way.

Also, I find it very difficult to go along with the idea of giving control of hospitals to the churches as a solution to the health insurance dilemma.

Right now I'm not sure who I'd vote for, but it's unlikely to be Ron Paul.
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2007, 11:21:32 AM »

Everyone voted for Bush because he was the best friend next door, and look how well that turned out.

The only thing that Ron Paul haters have to say about him is that his ideas are too far against the norm to ever be considered. Well, the US has been playing it safe with elections and things have only got worse and worse...
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2007, 04:22:39 PM »

Funny thing is, I'm having the exact same issues with Mike Gravel: I like him a lot and really wanna vote for him, but the thought of registering Democratic makes me squirm.

I'm relatively fortunate, however, in that Gravel indicated in an NPR interview yesterday that he is willing to run as an indie if he doesn't get the nomination, whereas Paul (according to Gravel, at least) will not.

I believe, however, that in some states, independent voters have the option of voting in either primary. I'm pretty sure Florida (where I live) isn't one of them, though. :(
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2007, 04:44:31 PM »

I'm not a fan of Pron Haul. Some of his positions seem okay, but then there're others that just go too far for me (gold standard?, anti-net neutrality)
so I don't want him to be the nation's big winner. However, he seems a much better bet to me than any of the other Republican candidates. I was originally thinking about voting for McCain, but I think he's pretty much sold out. Huckabee freaking terrifies me; same goes for Romney. So yeah, I'd probably vote for ol' Dr. Ron in the primaries, but I'm not sure if I'll even be in the country. Wikipedia informs me that April 22 is the voting day for the Republican primary in Pennsylvania, but I'll be in Japan by then.

Regardless, I won't go on a further political rant, but this election I'm more behind the Democrats than the Republicans.
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2007, 05:06:16 PM »

The US currency used to be based on the gold standard, so why is that so far out there?
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2007, 05:07:22 PM »

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Funny thing is, I'm having the exact same issues with Mike Gravel: I like him a lot and really wanna vote for him, but the thought of registering Democratic makes me squirm.

I'm relatively fortunate, however, in that Gravel indicated in an NPR interview yesterday that he is willing to run as an indie if he doesn't get the nomination, whereas Paul (according to Gravel, at least) will not.

I believe, however, that in some states, independent voters have the option of voting in either primary. I'm pretty sure Florida (where I live) isn't one of them, though. :(


Ron Paul ran as a libertarian in 1988, and chose to run republican this time because he knows that any third party with the current political system the way it is will never win.
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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2007, 05:11:32 PM »

As much as I support states rights and the power of the individual, I'm not voting for this guy.  He's a bit too much of an isolationist for my tastes.  I can see why folks like him, though.

If nothing else, he's shown the mainstream that there's more to libertarianism than "Dude, legalize it". :P
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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2007, 05:20:53 PM »

I live in Florida and this guy is advertised everywhere, hardcore.  People put Vote for Ron Paul stickers on stop signs here.  I was driving around one day and I saw like 20 people on the side of the road with Vote for Ron Paul signs, but half of them were like 5-10 years old.

I dunno, I'm not too into politics but the amount of money this guy has made just from the Internet is kind of boggling to me.
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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2007, 06:38:25 PM »

My reasons for not being a fan of Ron Paul are the same as Damian's.  I agree that the Department of Education is messed up and corrupt, but completely getting rid of it is not a sensible answer in my mind.  But aspects I like about him echo Damian's sentiments as well, such as the aim of making America a more self-reliant nation.  

I guess my stance is that while Ron Paul is a good choice (especially considering some of the alternatives) he's not MY choice.  I'm a Bill Richardson supporter.  

One thing I do acknowledge that Ron Paul is at least encouraging some people to examine issues from viewpoints that they may not have otherwise thought to.  I don't think that is ever a bad thing.  I mean, the most notable people in history and our lives are those who challenged our minds and conventions.

ASIDE:  I'm a little disappointed in some of the candidates, though.  Obama is charismatic, but he's only a 1st term senator.  I'd want a president who's had a little more experience.  Clinton plays the gender card too much and is just too unlikeable to win the hearts (and votes) of the people.  As much as I loved Bill, I can't stand Hillary.  In debates and such, Kucinich comes off like a crazy person.  I know many of you here at RPGfan love Kucinich, but I'm not sure his public persona will win votes.  And other democratic candidates are mostly left in the dust, like Bill Richardson (who I support.)  

And others here have already mentioned the shortcomings of many republican candidates.  Huckabee and Romney scare me too and I question McCain's integrity.  

If Al Gore was running, he'd be the best candidate in my opinion.  I mean, he has experience from 2 terms as senator, 3 terms in the House of Representatives, 2 terms as Vice President, and if that don't beat all, he's even picked up an Academy Award and a Nobel Peace Prize. If that's not an impressive list of qualifications, I don't know what is.
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2007, 09:45:37 AM »

Gore won't run against Hillary though because he's friends with Bill.

I'm going to vote Obama most likely. I have some issues with him, but I have tons more with the other candidates.
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2007, 03:18:30 PM »

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Gore won't run against Hillary though because he's friends with Bill.


Dude, Politics are a lot more complex than that, many "friends" run against each other all the time. When you're that high up, personal feelings are often very separated. Many top dems and reps are actually good friends, but they will still fight to the death on the political field. And furthermore, Gore and Clinton may have been partners... collegues... they share a bond that few of us can understand, but I don't think they're "friends". Gore doesn't want to run for president because he wants to be in a position where he can make a difference in the environmental movement, and strangely, president of the US, while being a good position to have, isn't the best. He'll probably get a lot more done in his cause outside the White House than inside. Sort of like Jimmy Carter and third world relations.

As for Ron Paul, I'm sorry, I wont vote for him. While I can understand contempoarary Libertarian philosophy, and I've had many friends who are Libertarians, I just dissagree with the fundimental concept. Getting rid of social security, income tax, and various social departments just invites a form of social/corporate darwinism that can quickly start to look a lot like fascism. I'm not calling Paul a fascist, he probably means well, and his end goals probably look a lot like mine, but then again, so did Lenon's, and look how that turned out. No, I'd probably be considered a democratic socialist by most people; I actually believe in having a very strong governmental structure. I'd just like it to be focused around setting up and maintaining infrastructure instead of blowing shit up and dictating morality.
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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2007, 07:38:20 PM »

Who is Lenon, exactly? I did a Wikipedia search and came up with a football player and an English soldier.
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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2007, 08:02:27 PM »

He means Lenin, as in the Bolshevik.
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