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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2008, 04:09:48 PM »

Thanks for the PS3 fanboy post there. Personally, my 360 has never had any problems and it's seen quite a bit of action (not as much as my Wii though). The PS3 may have not been rushed from a technical standpoint, but from an ecconomical one, it deffinitely was. Not to mention, it's probably got the weakest library of all of them, and none of them has a very strong library right now... the Wii probably has the strongest though.
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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2008, 04:41:10 PM »

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. Dont go through 3 xbox's (and I know people who have) before you make the decision to get a PS3


PS3 is really expensive. As is the 360. I also don't, and probably never will, own an HDTV*, which would remove a lot of usability for me -- for that matter, do PS3s and 360 run on non-HD sets?. I'm also not really that interested in how much games push their system because that just doesn't *mean* anything anymore*, and I massively, massively prefer to watch movies in theaters.

* I'm well aware that every station is going to switch to HD and I'm going to lose my signal. I don't watch TV.
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2008, 04:54:35 PM »

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do PS3s and 360 run on non-HD sets?.
Yes they do. Lots of emphasis is put on the HD capability of the consoles but SD gamers can use it as well and depending on the game see some an improvement in image quality(Super sampling).  You can use a computer monitor instead for the 360.
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2008, 06:24:36 PM »

Never going to purchase a hdtv?  Just out of curiosity, why?  Prices have been falling and will continue to fall.

As for playing them on a regular CRT TV, the biggest downfall I've seen so far is the text can be extremely difficult to read at times (differs among games.  CoD4 isn't too bad, Mass Effect has been tolerable, while NHL 08 has been horrible).  Definitely an annoyance, but due to all the voice acting now a days, it's not as big of a problem as it could be.

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Well, it came out a year later than the 360 so that's to be expected.  Can't say much vs the Wii though since they were both released pretty close to each other.  I agree the Wii has a stronger library than the PS3 at the moment, but that'll probably change this year.  I like the Wii a lot, so hopefully they release some stellar titles other than Brawl this year.
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2008, 06:48:43 PM »

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All logic here guys.

No, that isn't as logical as you like to pretend it is. What's logical is grabbing the system with the games you want to play, namely when they're out. Yes, the hardware's a bit faulty, but the warranty was extended to 3 years for that problem and new hardware IS more reliable.

As for the new consoles and HDTVs: some games are a pain to read on an SDTV, Dead Rising being the worst culprit of all. But generally they're pretty playable, though before I made the jump to an HDTV I was using component cables. If you don't get an HDTV, then it might be a good idea to look for a cheap TV that has component inputs if you don't already have one. But if you do, you'll probably be alright.

For the actual topic: I'm kinda worried that FFXIII's action will be retardedly over the top, but the scenery pictures and the like are appealing to me and I'll probably enjoy it enough regardless. FFvsXIII on the other hand I've already more or less written off, and while the scans don't really bug me like the trailer there's nothing that appeals to me like XIII's.

Edit: I should note for SDTVs too: Some games (particularly Japanese ones it seems) prefer to be letterboxed on SDTVs rather than adjust the aspect ratio, so on small TVs that further compounds the problems.
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2008, 07:43:07 PM »

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Yes they do. Lots of emphasis is put on the HD capability of the consoles but SD gamers can use it as well and depending on the game see some an improvement in image quality(Super sampling).  You can use a computer monitor instead for the 360.


The only game that I had a real problem with was Folklore - because it was hard to read the text. I hear that's common for SD and the 360 on some games as well though. (Like Dead Rising)

It's an SD vs HD problem primarily rather than console vs console problem.
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2008, 08:28:12 PM »

I am a fan of the PS3, because I played all 3 consoles, and realized that Sony's is the best built this gen, with all my favorite series on it. I do want a Xbox 360, but there is no way I am buying one right now, I paid $400 for my PS3 and it works and it has a reputation for working. I am not going to pay $400 for a 360 that may possibly break (although I agree they added new hardware at the begining of the holidays so hopefully the main problem has been resolved but still its track record shows other wise so I am waiting for further details), and using the excuse that the 3 year warranty is there for when it breaks is bullshit because its not like they just instantly give you a another console to replace yours or you can take it into the store and have them give you a new system, no no you have to send it back to the manufacturer and have them fix it, that is unacceptable sorry. Defend 360 about that all you want, but I still call BS.
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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2008, 08:41:39 PM »

Not much point in turning this into a "which console is best" thread.

I just grabbed my PS3 because I wanted the BC, the 60 gigs were being discontinued, and I had the extra cash as well as being able to get my parents to chip in for my birthday.

I'm holding out on a 360 until next summer when I hear the newest (and hopefully more reliable) models of the system are coming out.

Nothing against the 360 - great library, crappy hardware. Will be happy to get one when the issue is fixed.
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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2008, 08:58:35 PM »

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All I can say to that is that the Playstation 3 is the total package next-gen console, it wasnt rushed, there are little to no problems with it, and the amount of devices that are compatible with the system is just staggering. Dont go through 3 xbox's (and I know people who have) before you make the decision to get a PS3, get the reliable system first then let Microsoft release some better/more reliable versions of the 360, I doubt ill be getting one until next year. All logic here guys.


Let me begin my saying that I appreciate the fact that you've played all three consoles. Whether or not it's true is besides the point however, because you've managed to basically sneak around one major point: Software. The PlayStation 1 and 2 are by no means well-built machines and cannot be lauded for being so. They have some good technology running under the hood but if I had a nickel for every time someone said they had to buy a new one for any varying amount of reasons, I'd be able to open my own metallurgy workshop.

If good hardware was all a person should base anything on, then the Dreamcast would have been the clear winner of the 128-bit battle that became basically the PS2 trumpeting victory in the clear over the whimpering protests of a purple hatbox from Nintendo and the gargantuan housing complex Microsoft built out of radioactive straw.

But all right, you addressed the idea of "all your favourite series' on it" where the PS3 is concerned. Let's see -- Should I base my purchases on yours if I don't like your selection of games? No. I think "no" is a very good piece of logical reasoning here. I don't care about Metal Gear Solid for instance (the third one being the only one I could tolerate for more than an hour's worth of gaming), and while I have been an on-again off-again Final Fantasy fan, I think it's rather hard to justify buying a system for what is essentially a singular entity.

It's rather like buying an apartment for a single person to live in. Unless you're some sort of filthy-rich misanthrope in possession of a large robotic cleaning service (or just don't mind the dust), it's not exactly the best choice out there.

The fact is if you don't have your head up your ass (or under a rock, though that could be arranged), the XBox 360 is probably your best bet for hardcore gaming, while the Wii remains the party favourite and casual excursion into interactive digital entertainment. I'll be perfectly honest: I'm a Nintendo fanboy and stand by my Wii like a guard next to Buckingham Palace, but I'm keenly aware that the console doesn't have a hell of a lot of games for me when I'm alone. I think more than 90% of anyone who knows me also knows how much I revile and loathe Microsoft as an entity, but it's beyond my ability as an educated human being to deny just how delightfully distracting the entire 360 library is.

To put it succinctly: the PS3 right now is an investment for the future, if and only if the whole "game" thing picks up on it. It's a powerful piece of technology but that doesn't matter on the whole considering that the Wii has been selling like blood at a vampire convention. It's well into the console's first quarter of life and there's no sign of it slowing down. But the fact is if you are a gamer (and I assume you are) then the 360 is largely where you want to be right now. I won't harass a PS3 owner about his or her choice (you're welcome to enjoy yourselves along with the rest of us) but it's insulting to say "all logic here" when your initial post promoting your fandom of choice had all the veiling of a naked porn star.

In other words, stop being such a sopping little fanboy and get some breadth already. This is not your place for a dick-waving contest.</rant>
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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2008, 10:12:40 PM »

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To put it succinctly: the PS3 right now is an investment for the future, if and only if the whole "game" thing picks up on it. It's a powerful piece of technology but that doesn't matter on the whole considering that the Wii has been selling like blood at a vampire convention.


The whole game thing?  That seems like a ridiculous statement to make, seeing as both consoles are in the same situation - great first party games, terrible 3rd party and the RPG genre is almost non-existent on both consoles.  It's not hard to make a convincing argument for ALL THREE next-gen consoles, but isn't that the point?  I'm tired of seeing this argument on every forum I go to.  It doesn't matter what system wins, so long as there is competition the consumer wins.
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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2008, 10:51:33 PM »

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It doesn't matter what system wins, so long as there is competition the consumer wins.


Masamune wins the entire thread.  Basic economics > fanboyism.
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« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2008, 11:00:05 PM »

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The whole game thing?  That seems like a ridiculous statement to make, seeing as both consoles are in the same situation - great first party games, terrible 3rd party and the RPG genre is almost non-existent on both consoles.  It's not hard to make a convincing argument for ALL THREE next-gen consoles, but isn't that the point?  I'm tired of seeing this argument on every forum I go to.  It doesn't matter what system wins, so long as there is competition the consumer wins.


I essentially agree with your final statement, it's absolutely true. However the fact is that the Wii has first party titles worth buying, while the PS3 is sort of up a fecal river without a means to steer itself.
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« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2008, 11:34:52 PM »

So...um.....

Final Fantasy?
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« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2008, 11:39:37 PM »

Shut up. This is about consoles now.

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« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2008, 11:43:00 PM »

Wow... just doesnt stop, Hidoshi you are being just as fanbased about your opinion as me, only difference is you are hoping down my throat about it, how hypocritical could you be?

Ok, first of all, when I said "your favorite games are on it" I mean classic series, like Tekken, Soul Calibur, Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, FF, MGS, Ratchet and Clank, Daxter etc. Some of them being exclusive, some not, the only difference when it comes to the multi-platform games is you can play these games on a reliable system with PS3. I also agree xbox 360 has great software and alot of it, does that mean the PS3 doesnt have great software, no and its not at the magnitude of the 360... yet, it may surpass it, it may not.

To me the 360 is getting alot of original games, and that is great I really like that about the system. But the PS3 is getting all the series that I already love so I bought it first, while I wait for reliable 360 hardware to come out (which should be here around September), not to mention alot of the games are multiplatform now anyway (series or not) and I will wait to play the new original games after I have fun with the series I have loved for years. That is my logic behind my decision, should we disagree fine. To each his own, not to each my opinion.
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