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« Reply #60 on: May 01, 2008, 01:50:14 PM »

Quote from: "Prime Mover"
A few things that are Irking me:

I think we can retire the FF9 thing. It's NOT a game that people love to hate, it's a game that people love to love, as we've seen time and time again on this forum. I love it, you love it, IGN, GameSpot and my dog love it. How long before we stop treating it like an underdog? It commonly has the highest overall of any game in the series. It's also the least polarizing of all the PS/PS2 titles. The FF7 fans love it, the FF8 fans love it, the FF6 fans love it. Give it up... everyone loves FF9. It really never belonged in this thread.

As for Steambot Chronicals:

I just played it about 2 months ago. It's a good game, but it was lacking in a few areas. For one thing, travel was a pain in the ass. I loved that desert, but being forced to walk back and forth across it about 20 times sorta took the fun out of it. There was so amazingly little dungeon/battle time, it seemed kinda pointless to spend much time upgrading my trotmobile. 79% feels like a pretty good score for that game. It had a good concept, but I think its execution was pretty poor. It constantly felt unpolished, and the characters really never caught my attention. Someone said the game had a lot of heart... but I think it lacked the subtlety to really back up that claim.

It was a good play, but I don't think it succeeded in proving that non-linearity can be just as dramatic and character based as not. In fact, it sorta furthered my thoughts that non-linear games tend to lack emotional value.


I have ran into MANY people who do not think FF9 is a good game at all and say it is one of the worst RPG's ever, so I think it DOES belong in this thread.
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« Reply #61 on: May 01, 2008, 02:47:48 PM »

You run into strange people. Most of the statistics tend to show otherwise. It has yet to recieve a negative review, and it has the least detractors. I saw one poll did that showed it to be the most universally well-recieved game in the series, with more people who played it liking it than any other game (I think FF6 came out second). The difference between it and FF7 is that its fanbase is slightly older and doesn't consist of a bunch of screamers. Also, more people have played FF7... but a lower percentage of them think its the best in the series.
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« Reply #62 on: May 01, 2008, 05:33:08 PM »

I think on this board, FF9 gets a lot of love. Out in the non RPG loving universe, not so much.

I agree with Dice though, Legend of Mana gets way more hate than it deserves.

I would disagree with him about Saga Frontier 2, which seems mostly greeted by indifference.

Unlimited Saga however, is the one people like to squat over and take a dump on.
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« Reply #63 on: May 01, 2008, 05:44:41 PM »

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I think on this board, FF9 gets a lot of love. Out in the non RPG loving universe, not so much.

I agree with Dice though, Legend of Mana gets way more hate than it deserves.

I would disagree with him about Saga Frontier 2, which seems mostly greeted by indifference.

Unlimited Saga however, is the one people like to squat over and take a dump on.


...and Unlimited Saga deserves it. What a HORRIBLE game.
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« Reply #64 on: May 01, 2008, 06:45:29 PM »

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The point of having a world map is that sense of actually discovering new things, whether that be villages, caves, casinos or whatever, instead of just pushing a button and arriving at a new place.



the problem with this is getting lost and/or being unable to find your next location. another problem with world maps is that they tend to look largely the same all over the planet.*cough*talesoftheabyss*cough* i liked ffxii's over world because they had a variety of locales.


now a couple things i'd like to comment on.

Xenosaga 2:the largest problem with xenosaga is 2 things. first off trial and error is the only way to know where a particular attack hits. second of all switching members costs you a turn. both of these issues were fixed in XS3 since they did away with attack zones and attack types. so you really only needed to change if someone was low on hp or sp.

FFVIII:silly people you dont draw spells so you can cast them! you draw spells so squall can do 9,999 a hit with lionheart :)

and about FF9 i think its similar to Wild Arms 5 in that a lot of the stuff in that game will be meaningless if you have not played previous FF's when i originally played FF9 i had only previously played FF7 FF8 and tactics.

edit:about radiant dawn. even though you lose if someone dies, does it not let you save mid battle without exiting to the title screen? in my opinion that could actually make it easier than PoR.
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« Reply #65 on: May 01, 2008, 06:50:45 PM »

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the problem with this is getting lost and/or being unable to find your next location. another problem with world maps is that they tend to look largely the same all over the planet.*cough*talesoftheabyss*cough* i liked ffxii's over world because they had a variety of locales.

Valid for a lot of older games, but nowadays most have little maps in the corner that show where towns are and you can get a larger, more detailed look too if you want. You'd have to be incompetent on a comical level in order to get lost more often than not now.
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« Reply #66 on: May 01, 2008, 08:08:57 PM »

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Xenosaga 2:the largest problem with xenosaga is 2 things.


How are *two* things THE single largest problem? Aren't those the largest problemSSSSS?

*Grammar king*

me suspects you were going to say there was only one problem, then you say, "oh wait, two problems."

The most egregious problem with XS2, IMO, is the sudden de-emphasis of Scion/KOS-MOS onto Jr/MOMO.

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« Reply #67 on: May 01, 2008, 09:35:28 PM »

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I think we can retire the FF9 thing. It's NOT a game that people love to hate, it's a game that people love to love, as we've seen time and time again on this forum. I love it, you love it, IGN, GameSpot and my dog love it. How long before we stop treating it like an underdog? It commonly has the highest overall of any game in the series. It's also the least polarizing of all the PS/PS2 titles. The FF7 fans love it, the FF8 fans love it, the FF6 fans love it. Give it up... everyone loves FF9. It really never belonged in this thread.


Nobody I know likes FF9 anywhere near as much as the two before it.  So, as the great Abraham Lincoln said to Stephen A. Douglas at the Freeport debate, fuck you and your little theory.
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« Reply #68 on: May 01, 2008, 10:29:22 PM »

D-Rider doesn't know me.

*Ramza's FF ranking*

12. FF2
11. FF3
10. FF1
9. FF5
8. FF12
7. FF4
6. FF11
5. FF10
4. FF7
3. FF8
2. FF6
1. FF9
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« Reply #69 on: May 01, 2008, 10:42:20 PM »

Quote from: "Ramza"
D-Rider doesn't know me.

*Ramza's FF ranking*

12. FF2
11. FF3
10. FF1
9. FF5
8. FF12
7. FF4
6. FF11
5. FF10
4. FF7
3. FF8
2. FF6
1. FF9


Guess I'll do mine too:

12. FF11 (Simply because I hate MMO's and refuse to play it)
11. FF3
10. FF2
9. FF1
8. FF5
7. FF6
6. FF4
5. FF8
4. FF12
3. FF9
2. FF10
1. FF7
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« Reply #70 on: May 01, 2008, 10:54:24 PM »

I'm joining too!!

12. FF11 (Haven't played...I jus dun wanna pay monthly)
11. FF2
10. FF1
9. FF12
8. FF8 (I liked it, just not enough to make the higher ups)
7. FF3
6. FF10 (does X2 count?)
5. FF9
4. FF5
3. FF4
2. FF7
1. FF6
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« Reply #71 on: May 01, 2008, 11:53:29 PM »

8. FF4
7. FF5
6. FF10
5. FF12
4. FF7
3. FF6
2. FF9
1. FF8

Haven't played enough of 1 & 3 to really decide, and have never played 2.
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« Reply #72 on: May 02, 2008, 12:06:22 AM »

Alright, the completely spontaneous FF ranking switch has a bit too much momentum, so I'll actually go and post my list of most liked hated games.

5. Suikoden IV - I'm not going to strictly follow ranking here as I have trouble picking which I prefer, but this game definitely is the lowest of the 5 here. When you go in not really expecting anything great, it's enjoyable enough, even with glaring flaws and being the worst of the main series.

4. Final Fantasy VIII - It certainly isn't one of my favorite FFs, but I had a lot of fun with it and it's too heavily bashed. Why do people act like this is one of the worst things ever when there's FFII and plenty of truly terrrible RPGs out there?

3. Wild Arms 2 - I really, really enjoyed it when I played it though I saw reviews completely trashing it and WA1 fans bashing it. Maybe I won't feel the same way now, but I thought it was great.

2. Tales of Legendia - I have yet to beat it so maybe my mind will change, but this was surprisingly enjoyable despite all the hate it got at first. I think  it's being listed too many times now to really qualify though.

1. Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter - One of the most innovative and one of a kind RPGs there is.

Edit: And I'm kinda baffled at the FFIII hate. Did the DS version really improve on the original that much? It's an enjoyable, hardcore game but not one that screams shit to me. I guess the original could've just sucked.
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« Reply #73 on: May 02, 2008, 01:24:38 AM »

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In regards to XG, it's not that disc 2 was too short, that the sprites were too pixelly, and the story too confusing. It's that disc 2 was unfinished, the sprites were too pixelly, and the story was to nonsensical.


Rushed/unfinished. That's kiiiinda what I was getting at there...

So you basically just..reworded the same things I said. No progress here. :P

Anyway, I have to agree with Eusis, FFVIII is bashed far too much. I didn't like it, or the story, but I can think of far worse out there. :P[/i]
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« Reply #74 on: May 02, 2008, 02:34:08 AM »

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The most egregious problem with XS2, IMO, is the sudden de-emphasis of Scion/KOS-MOS onto Jr/MOMO.

Ramza


I thought this was the best thing about XS2...maybe thats why I enjoyed it so much.  I didn't find anything about Shion or KOS-MOS interesting in the first game, but everything about Jr. had me intrigued.
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