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« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2008, 07:45:24 PM »

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« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2008, 11:09:34 PM »

I guess that they're just like other gaming forums only centralized by gamers in the UAE and written in Arabic? Sounds kinda weird, I admit.

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« Reply #47 on: October 18, 2008, 11:26:26 PM »

Losfer - if you're honestly comfortable with religious people telling you what you can and can't do, then more power to you.



Yes, blame the religious. We shouldn't be at all sensitive to people's cherished ideals, beliefs, ethics, morals, or ideas about life. Let us, for the sake of entertainment, shit on whatever anyone else believes for our own pleasures. It's their fault for caring about anything anyway! Indeed.

No, you stupid git, no one is telling anyone what they can or cannot do. Yes there is outrage, yes a portion of the Islamic community is offended that their religious texts are being used in secular entertainment. Are they not entitled to their own opinions and the right to speak out about their feelings? Perhaps it doesn't matter to you, but it certainly matters to them. Why can't they have their say in this? Just because a majority says something does not make it right or fair. Sometimes it's worthwhile to take a moment to listen to a minority as well, and consider their standpoint in things.

I think Sony's handled this rather bloody well by being sensitive and asking their fans to just 'hold on a week or two' for a fix. Keep in mind, it's money off Sony's backs, not ours. Yes it may inconvenience us a little, but it is NOT OUR LOSS, so we have no real basis to be upset by this. We certainly do NOT look like the better half of this argument by being dicks about it either.
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« Reply #48 on: October 19, 2008, 12:03:35 AM »

Actually all they wanted was a post-release patch, so Sony arguably went overkill here. Arguably because there's a good percentage that just don't go online and would never get this game updated, so they probably kinda have to in order to truly prevent the problem.

Respect for religion is good, but at the same time everything gets desecrated in some manner, whether it's an RPG having you kill an alagorical God or some porn online of a cherished childhood cartoon character, and people just need to deal with this even if it's highly frustrating or outright distasteful. However that's more applicable to the bombhat comic that they could've just ignored rather than an otherwise innoceous video game that could be uncomfortable to play or outright forbidden by their beliefs, simply because of one song.

(Also dragging back up the 'they didn't know what the song was saying and just thought it sounded neat' point, Sonic Rush apparantly has a song in it with samplings from a Malcom X speech, likely put in with that rationale. So yeah.)
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« Reply #49 on: October 19, 2008, 01:51:43 AM »

-shrugs- But see, the demand wasn't even that bad. Sony just knee-jerked. So whatever.

Even so, I think there's room to be sensitive to objections by a community based on their cherished ideals. Not all the time, but there should always be SOME thought given before taking action.
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« Reply #50 on: October 19, 2008, 03:38:55 PM »

Losfer - if you're honestly comfortable with religious people telling you what you can and can't do, then more power to you.

It's not even that.  Everyone knows what my thoughts on religion are.  I think it's pretty silly that it had to be taken out, but you know what, A) It doesn't effect the fun I am going to have with this game AT ALL and B) I'd actually prefer if it wasn't in there in the first place.

The fact that so many people on the internet are getting upset over this is retarded.  Silly events yield silly responses.

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« Reply #51 on: October 20, 2008, 01:26:25 AM »

Losfer - if you're honestly comfortable with religious people telling you what you can and can't do, then more power to you.



Yes, blame the religious. We shouldn't be at all sensitive to people's cherished ideals, beliefs, ethics, morals, or ideas about life. Let us, for the sake of entertainment, shit on whatever anyone else believes for our own pleasures. It's their fault for caring about anything anyway! Indeed.

No, you stupid git, no one is telling anyone what they can or cannot do. Yes there is outrage, yes a portion of the Islamic community is offended that their religious texts are being used in secular entertainment. Are they not entitled to their own opinions and the right to speak out about their feelings?

Certainly, as long as it doesn't intrude on mine. I'm not religious. I don't go around telling religious people their beliefs are stupid. Therefore I don't expect them to come around telling me I have to follow those same beliefs. It works both ways. The fact that I have to wait a week or two is not the issue. The reason why it was delayed is the issue. If, as you said, the demand wasn't that bad, then why did Sony bother taking it out? It should have been handled exactly the same way they handled they handled the tiff with the CofE in Manchester. It makes them look like complete hypocrites for ignoring one request and pandering to another so quickly.

Though I suppose, by your definition, we should have let someone kill Salman Rushdie ages ago, because he wasn't being "culturally senstive".
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« Reply #52 on: October 20, 2008, 04:15:24 AM »

This whole religion thing is being taken way to seriously. Consideration and respect of faith is one thing but on a perfectly socio-political scale, what Sony did was pretty smart. So many Muslims are under the impression that the western world is 'out to get them' and by doing what they did, Sony was probably preventing what might have been a pretty pointless grudge or boycott. We can believe that companies should treat all religious demands equally and all that, only that isn't how things work.

They wanted to tiptoe around what is one of the more culturally sensitive problems in the world today-- I don't see what's so bad about that.
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« Reply #53 on: October 20, 2008, 08:08:00 AM »

Well the first problem is now it looks like they're playing favourites. Let's be realistic. People upset about using a church in an alternate reality game? Whackjobs. People upset over two lines in a song? Whackjobs.

You can't say yes to one set of whackjobs and no to another, because you're going to inevitably piss one off the groups off.

You either have to say yes to everybody and change every game every time someone gets offended (which they shouldn't) or say no to everybody and say "We don't pander to whack jobs of any religion" - which is what they should have done here.
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« Reply #54 on: October 20, 2008, 08:14:04 AM »

Certainly, as long as it doesn't intrude on mine. I'm not religious. I don't go around telling religious people their beliefs are stupid. Therefore I don't expect them to come around telling me I have to follow those same beliefs. It works both ways. The fact that I have to wait a week or two is not the issue. The reason why it was delayed is the issue. If, as you said, the demand wasn't that bad, then why did Sony bother taking it out? It should have been handled exactly the same way they handled they handled the tiff with the CofE in Manchester. It makes them look like complete hypocrites for ignoring one request and pandering to another so quickly.

Though I suppose, by your definition, we should have let someone kill Salman Rushdie ages ago, because he wasn't being "culturally senstive".

Red Herring. Responding sensitively does not imply complete pandering. Proposing murder as a means of satisfaction is not congruent with the situation at hand. Don't be a douche.

Three problems with your entire line of thinking:

a) Muslims ARE gamers, and the reverse is true. Therefore this is not an 'outside force' objecting to another 'outside force'. This is a section of a culture that may also be shared by the culture they are acting upon. Therefore this is not as easy as saying one interest group is objecting to another.

b) Games are not a religion, a cause, or a philosophical school. A subculture, yes, but they are not a self-sustaining, nor deeply cherished subculture (unless you have a skewed sense of priorities). Games are entertainment. To be so involved with needing the presence of a piece of entertainment speaks somewhat loudly of being ill-adjusted to reality. Please seek counselling, because you are a whackjob and no one should have to pander to you.

c) The issue of quoting scripture or of having a religious building present is entirely circumstantial. A) Does the interest group have regular sensitivities about this, B) Can it be fixed easily, or C) How deeply cherished is said issue? I think Sony may have moved badly on the whole Church thing, but that's their call. There's no easy way to deal with this kind of request, so it's on a case-by-case basis.

One last thing: For someone who accused Sony of creating a slippery slope, your entire line of argument has BEEN a slipper slope with a bunch of red herrings sliding down it. You are in no place to call anyone a hypocrite.
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« Reply #55 on: October 20, 2008, 08:46:40 AM »

Hmm.  This makes me wonder if Persona 4 will get here unscathed.  Hopefully no one picks up on it till after the game is released.

I think Persona 4 will be fine.  Something like Little Big Planet is a major title and possibly a system seller for PS3s.  Megami Tensei is still a niche series among the masses.  It's still underground to a point where content like the cannibalism (among other things) in DDS or Persona 3 having kids put guns to their heads falls under the radar.  If Persona 3's evokers didn't make a big media brouhaha, then Persona 4 should be fine.  Besides, the Persona games are among the least religious and/or political of the MegaTen series.

I would have worried in the PS1 era when Soul Hackers never made it, Persona 1 was hacked up, and Innocent Sin never came due to some of its content.  But I'm not worried about it now. 

As for the Little Big Planet contraversy, +1 on whatever Losfer said.
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« Reply #56 on: October 20, 2008, 09:15:00 AM »

The funny part of that (and by no means is this representative of Hindus as a group, merely of Hindus I personally know) is that my Hindu friends are often fans of DDS. It doesn't bother them at all because they know it's fiction. To them their deities are cherished, but just because the game references said deities as something does not change for them, the reality of their religion. I think that's a very healthy attitude to take.

Despite that, I sometimes feel a bit off-put when Sri Saraswati shows up as an ENEMY in a game, because I do consider her a dear goddess to me. What can I do though? I remember reality, and that the game is fiction. After all, just because a man dresses up as Jesus does not make him so. He's living a lie. So that's the other side of tolerance I suppose.
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« Reply #57 on: October 20, 2008, 02:51:54 PM »


Three problems with your entire line of thinking:

a) Muslims ARE gamers, and the reverse is true. Therefore this is not an 'outside force' objecting to another 'outside force'. This is a section of a culture that may also be shared by the culture they are acting upon. Therefore this is not as easy as saying one interest group is objecting to another.

Yes but how many times, in all the controversies that have hit gaming, how many times has it been gamers complaining? I can think of *one* - RE5. Two if you count that chick complaining about Fat Princess, but I don't know if she was a gamer or not. The rest were all relgiious nutballs or people looking to make publicity for themselves (politicians), or a combination of both - Jack Thompson. Was it a gamer that complained? My guess, from the statistics, is probably not.

b) Games are not a religion, a cause, or a philosophical school. A subculture, yes, but they are not a self-sustaining, nor deeply cherished subculture (unless you have a skewed sense of priorities). Games are entertainment. To be so involved with needing the presence of a piece of entertainment speaks somewhat loudly of being ill-adjusted to reality. Please seek counselling, because you are a whackjob and no one should have to pander to you.

All that bluster for "No! You are!"...? And I'm not complaining because I want the game in my hands right now, but you seem more interested in throwing insults around than reading what I've posted.

c) The issue of quoting scripture or of having a religious building present is entirely circumstantial. A) Does the interest group have regular sensitivities about this, B) Can it be fixed easily, or C) How deeply cherished is said issue? I think Sony may have moved badly on the whole Church thing, but that's their call. There's no easy way to deal with this kind of request, so it's on a case-by-case basis.

That just the point. It *can't* be a case by case basis, because someone is inevitably going to cry foul with that, and ask why you're treating one group better than another. It has to be even-handed, and dealt the same for everyone.

One last thing: For someone who accused Sony of creating a slippery slope, your entire line of argument has BEEN a slipper slope with a bunch of red herrings sliding down it. You are in no place to call anyone a hypocrite.

You like that phrase red herring, even though it holds no weight here. I'm a hypocrite because I think *no* religious group should have a say as to what goes on in gaming? Please. 
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« Reply #58 on: October 20, 2008, 04:31:15 PM »

You're a hypocrite because a) You're AT LEAST every bit as ridiculous as the people you're against, b) You're treating this (and have been since this began) with way more complaint than the religious group that has a vested interest in the case, and c) You say you're not out to insult people for their beliefs, yet you do it CONSTANTLY.

It's not a matter of whether I like the comment red herring or not (your reference here in itself BEING one), considering you brought up slipper slope (hi thar, you're on one).

And no, you do not need to deal with everything using a one-shot policy. That's the either/or fallacy. Things CAN be treated on a case-by-case basis and often should be. Otherwise you're generalising which is a much more dire trap.
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« Reply #59 on: October 20, 2008, 04:47:42 PM »

Was it a gamer that complained?

A group of them actually. The story did say this was brought up by by muslim gaming community, and at the least they're tech savy enough to recognize it could be fixed with a simple patch, if they had no idea about technology they'd be more ridiculous (see: Hot Coffee).
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