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« Reply #105 on: November 07, 2008, 02:28:35 PM »

THE WORLD IS ENDING
OBAMA IS A MARXIST
SOCIALISM IS EVIL
BUY GUNS BUY GUNS BUY GUNS

Calm down folks. It's just a black democrat.
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« Reply #106 on: November 07, 2008, 03:14:19 PM »

'dosh, this is America.  Land of the whiny and home of the complaint.  Even if McCain was elected, people would be up in arms complaining about a decrepit old geezer and a helicopter soccer mom in the White House.  If Hillary Clinton were elected, the sexist fur would fly.  If it isn't racism that's a lightning rod, it'd be ageism, sexism, or something else. 

And let's not forget, the absolute most widespread and deplorable prejudice in this world is not against any ethnic or religious group, but against women.  Considering all the overreacting people are doing to Obama's election, I shudder to think how badly people would've overreacted had the Green Party ticket of Cynthia McKinney (a Black woman) and Rosa Clemente (a Hispanic woman) made it to office.  It's been pretty cool that more ethnic women than ever have been running for office.

I wonder, would the anti-Obama complaints be any different were he a Republican?  Louisiana certainly loves their east Indian Republican governor Bobby Jindal.  Louisiana's one of the last places I would think of to elect a governor of color. 

Still, the civil liberty I have to complain about politics is freaking awesome.  In many countries, I would get into legal trouble for even thinking badly about a president or prime minister.

EDIT: Azrael- in looking at your list of Black role models (two of my heroes are Chuck D and Victor Wooten), don't forget the strong Sisters such as Maya Angelou or Toni Morrison; the power they exude in their writing is unreal.  Say what you will about the Bush Administration, but Condoleeza Rice is an incredible woman.  On another spectrum, I find Queen Latifah to be a very positive role model when it comes to female empowerment regarding body image.

I think it may be more challenging to find a positive female role model than a positive Black, Hispanic, etc. minority role model.  Think about who young girls are looking up to these days.  They're looking up to the likes of trashy bimbos like Paris Hilton who probably couldn't even find the United States on a map.
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« Reply #107 on: November 07, 2008, 03:17:05 PM »

I blame delusional asshats like Pat Robertson.
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« Reply #108 on: November 07, 2008, 10:15:40 PM »

I don't care what you say about Palin. Biden's totally a VPILF.
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« Reply #109 on: November 08, 2008, 12:39:54 AM »

something i learned from this election is the lack of empathy many caucasians seem to have for blacks. a lot of them act like slavery and civil rights movement happend 1,000 years ago or something. i mean i'm half black half white like the president elect and i have racists in my own family. Barack Obama is the first posttive black role model in a LONG time that doesnt shoot balls into hoops or have his pants down to his knee's.

I like the study that stated that 25% of Democrats didn't like black people.  Unfortunately, a lot of people are just too ignorant to know that skin color is almost a completely irrelevant value when it comes to another human being, since that in and of itself has no bearing on the choices a person makes or their cultural upbringing.  I think a lot of that too has to deal with necessary evils such as affirmative action to try and equalize the playing field, which in turn causes further enmity, especially for Joe Whitey Sixpack who's worried about additional competition for his job or whatever else he holds dear. 

The Obama comment is something of a hyperbole though; there are plenty of positive black role models but unfortunately negative comments generate greater press.  So you're more likely to have someone like Shaq be the emulated role model rather than say Bill Cosby.  Oh well.  I don't really think people should need role models outside of their own family unit, but then I'm weird. 

I haven't looked at the final voting results too much, but I am curious about how the racial vote impacted the final election because in the primaries the vote came down to color way too often.  I'm sure part of that boiled down to simply preferring Hillary or Obama for their ideas, but something tells me the latter played too much of a part.
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« Reply #110 on: November 08, 2008, 09:06:22 AM »

Ryos, in a perfect world role-models would be people like parents and teachers/guidance counselors who make a direct and positive impact in children's lives.  However, this isn't a perfect world and celebrities often become role-models even if/when they don't want to.  I still remember that old commercial with Charles Barkley saying, "I'm not a role model.  Parents and teachers are role models.  I just shoot balls into baskets.  I'm not raising your kids." 

Heck, when I was a young kid, I absolutely hated wearing a seatbelt in the car.  No matter how much my parents tried, I still didn't want to.  Yet, when I saw Hulk Hogan doing that whole "To be a true Hulkamaniac, put that seatbelt on now!" I started wearing it and have been vigilant about wearing one ever since.  This goes to show that kids emulate celebrities because that's what we fantasize about being.  And we think that by acting like we see them on TV we can be like them. 

And I still find it interesting that back in the late 1800s, Democrats were disgruntled confederates who wanted to secede from the United States since the Republican powers that be in the North and Abe Lincoln's presidency wouldn't let them keep slaves and they (the dems) strongly felt that blacks were inferior creatures that did not even deserve basic human rights.  And wouldn't you know it, after Abe Lincoln's shot by John Wilkes Booth,  Andrew Johnson, possibly the most racist president in US history, ascends to power and pretty much ruins everything.  That just might have been the impetus that delayed civil rights for the next 100 or so years.  Lincoln was a Republican.  Andrew Johnson was a Democrat. 

I used to hate social studies class when I was growing up, but nowadays I find American sociopolitical history absolutely fascinating.  And I must say, it's pretty impressive that in roughly 200-300 years America has achieved a global power and status that nations who have been around for 5000 years have never been able to.  How freaking cool is that?
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« Reply #111 on: November 08, 2008, 10:58:25 AM »

Ron Paul dropped from the race and specifically said "don't vote for me I'm supporting Chuck Baldwin." And he still got significant votes, even though like 47 states didn't bother counting his write-ins.

Ron Paul ftw.
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« Reply #112 on: November 08, 2008, 01:14:13 PM »

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And wouldn't you know it, after Abe Lincoln's shot Andrew Johnson, possibly the most racist president in US history, ascends to power and pretty much ruins everything.  That just might have been the impetus that delayed civil rights for the next 100 or so years.  Lincoln was a Republican.  Andrew Johnson was a Democrat.

Se också: Nixon, Southern Strategy.

So this Rahm guy's pretty interesting. Hope my assumption is correct: That he's not there to bully republicans, but to duct-tape Pelosi's mouth shut every couple hours.
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« Reply #113 on: November 09, 2008, 12:11:30 PM »



I wonder, would the anti-Obama complaints be any different were he a Republican?  Louisiana certainly loves their east Indian Republican governor Bobby Jindal.  Louisiana's one of the last places I would think of to elect a governor of color. 


   
 You hit the nail on the head for me with that statement. Everybody down here who voted for McCain, including my black friends, were against Obama for his liberal views. Also, since hurricanes Katrina and Rita, Democrats in this state have lost alot of support. I think that's partly why Obama didn't carry Louisiana, like Bill Clinton did in both 1992 and 1996. Kinda the exact opposite attitude seemingly from the rest of the country, who hold the Republicans in disfavor.
 
 As for Jindal, he actually ran for Governor in '03, but was soundly defeated by the Democratic candidate, and failed to even carry the normally solidly conservative districts (in North Louisiana), lots of people down here thought this was because of race. I've always kinda felt it was because he looked Arabic, an therefore was not so much his race as it was post 9-11 anti-Islamism. But, yes, he is our first elected, non-white Governor.
 
 Anyway, that's enough outta me. You just got me when you mentioned Jindal. 'Cuz he rules.
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