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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2009, 12:51:07 PM »

On the Street Fighter subject - I listened to an interview with the guy who was in charge of balancing IV, and he said that a big part of the data they worked with had been learned via SF2 tournaments.  He also said that a pretty hefty percentage of people playing will never notice the tweaks - only the super-hardcore folks.
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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2009, 01:07:59 PM »

The real enemy is Gamefaqs and their "BEST ________ EVER!" tournaments.
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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2009, 01:48:49 PM »

The real enemy is Gamefaqs and their "BEST ________ EVER!" tournaments.

I was also thinking of Gamespot's System Wars. Man what a place to be in... o_o
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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2009, 01:56:30 PM »

The real enemy is Gamefaqs and their "BEST ________ EVER!" tournaments.

Those should just be something fun to do, but some people take those polls way too seriously. I remember people coming here saying VOTE FOR CLOUD or some crap years ago for the character polls.
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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2009, 02:19:38 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2009, 03:15:05 PM »

The real enemy is Gamefaqs and their "BEST ________ EVER!" tournaments.

I forgot about those because I greasemonkeyed that shit out.  I was on another browser and saw that they have a best game ever now.  I'm willing to bet it's going to be Final Fantasy 7 vs Final Fantasy 8 vs Final Fantasy 10 vs Some Zelda game.

Anyways, the editorial was a good read.  Really the rabid fanboy-ism is out of control.  Thankfully this board is relatively free of it, but may god have mercy on you if, for some reason, you try to discuss anything on amazon's boards.  The idiocy there is worse than gamefaqs.

One of my favorite things about this connected next gen world is that near simultaneous world wide releases are happening more often for big name titles.  Makes it a lot easier to judge a game on its own merit and not have, "Well X review said this about the game..." in the back of my mind.
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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2009, 06:32:00 PM »

But indeed, and as i said some time ago, most "gamers" and "fans" and what not don't want "innovation", the word actually scares and confuses them. They just want to play the same game rehashed over and over, ported, remade, with sequels that play in the same way and so on.

You wouldn't be a fan if there wasn't something about the game that you really liked.  Of course fans would want more of the same.

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You realize that most people that play games don't browse game message boards, much less post on them, right?  The main reason Legendia had such a negative reaction was because of the undertones of incest.  Incest provokes similar responses in the US as lolis--violent frothing rage and/or gut-wrenching disgust.  Take that out, and it's just another Tales game, albeit with a rather boring and drawn-out post-game.

I do think he has the elitism attitude pinned, although he takes the most negative possible perspective of it.  Your stereotypical super-hardcore RPG fan (the Japanese word "otaku" seems appropriate here) is likely to be imaginative, somewhat socially withdrawn, an individualist, and fiercely proud of his unique identity (there's a good chance he also likes anime and tabletop RPGs).  He likes to be different, to stand out from the crowd.  If everyone else suddenly seizes on his favorite hobby, he's going to naturally feel threatened because now he's just another one of the crowd again.  To compensate, he either has to become more hardcore than them, or find a new niche within that hobby (or a related hobby) that isn't as popular to feel comfortably different again.

And, no, this doesn't come personal experience.  I swear.
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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2009, 07:22:22 PM »

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Incest provokes similar responses in the US as lolis--violent frothing rage and/or gut-wrenching disgust.

That's only because they don't play videogames south of the Mason Dixon or west of the Mississippi.

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Your stereotypical super-hardcore RPG fan (the Japanese word "otaku" seems appropriate here) is likely to be imaginative, somewhat socially withdrawn, an individualist, and fiercely proud of his unique identity

Most of the otakus around campus here are completely bereft of creativity and don't really seem capable of individual thought, unless it's related to anime or internet memes, and even then that's pretty borderline about being individual thought. They're also all pretty much the same

Fandom in general is a big problem for a lot of things. While I generally agree completely with the article (I guess. I never bothered reading most of it) it didn't seem to distinguish between individual fans and fandom.

Fans like a certain thing. Fandom is more like a collection of fans expected to behave and think in a very lockstep manner, even if it drives them to the point of incoherence. Fandoms also tend to spawn those righteously indignant fans that take personal offense when they don't like entry X in favorite series Y, and come up with all sorts of paranoid rationalizations to justify their paranoid irrationality.

Or, put another way, fans are capable of making good games. Fandoms are mostly just capable of feeling scorned.
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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2009, 08:13:30 PM »

The real enemy is Gamefaqs and their "BEST ________ EVER!" tournaments.

I remember when the L block won of these polls. It was great. :P
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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2009, 08:36:59 PM »

Most of the otakus around campus here are completely bereft of creativity and don't really seem capable of individual thought, unless it's related to anime or internet memes, and even then that's pretty borderline about being individual thought. They're also all pretty much the same

Well yeah, concentrate any 0.1% of people in the population with similiar interests and you're going to get a fairly homogenous group.  If you're different from everyone you're not an otaku, you're just a hermit.  I agree that obsession (or more mildly, passion) antagonizes objectivity (similar to but not quite the same as "individual thought").  Even so, I still think it's fair to categorize otaku as "individualistic."  Imaginative isn't quite the same as creative, but....otaku are often tabletop roleplayers, writers, and artists, which are generally considered pretty creative hobbies (and certainly require imagination).  It may be creativity expressed in a very narrow fashion, but it's still creativity.

I will admit I have a hard time going to university anime club anymore, though.  Everyone's just so goofy in that special freshman way.  Talk to them one-on-one and it probably wouldn't be so bad, but in a group they feed off each other until I find myself looking for the nearest exit.
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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2009, 08:37:47 PM »

The main reason Legendia had such a negative reaction was because of the undertones of incest.

Um...I think Legendia had such a negative reaction because it sucked. I didn't even know about the "incest" controversy til I started playing the game for myself and witnessed it. And it's really not that bad. Not compared to what Japan is capable of. :)

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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2009, 08:39:15 PM »

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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2009, 09:10:57 PM »

I didn't even know about the "incest" controversy til I started playing the game for myself and witnessed it.

I seriously looked at the outer cover and told my roommate it was going to have incest.  The best man to catch a thief is another thief.

Ahem, anyway I don't think it was any worse than Tales of Destiny, though certainly there's better Tales games out there.
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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2009, 09:33:16 PM »

LOL, nice call on that one then.

Also, you certainly have interesting tastes. I was a big fan of ToD. Granted, I (and the rest of America) has missed more than half of the Tales series, so that might be a moot point. But I'd certainly rank Legendia below Phantasia and Destiny, and I'd rank Destiny higher than Phantasia. But that's just me being on board with the masses, I suppose.

(and/or, if we got a PSP port of the PSOne version of Tales of Phantasia with the original Japanese voices, that might make up for things. A bit.)

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« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2009, 10:35:24 PM »

A reviewer with very unique tastes wouldn't be a very good reviewer, after all.  My strengths are probably ranting and quibbling over details.  I should go into philosophy.  Or politics.
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