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« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2009, 07:27:20 AM »

This ban came about because some women from the U.S. couldn't get the sand out of their vaginas and harassed the Japanese until they caved.
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« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2009, 12:31:06 PM »

Well if that's the case then, I think I've said something to this effect on similar topics and I believe Mark/Hidoshi made the same point elsewhere in the thread. 

Regardless of my opinion of it, banning this kind of media is certainly not going to put an end to child prostitution rings in countries like Thailand or India; or end violent forms of child exploitation in countries like Sierra Leone.  I've heard stories that mothers in 3rd world countries like Guatemala would take offers of $400 USD to allow a man to have sex with their 13 year old daughters.  I'm sure those mothers realize that it's ethically and morally wrong, but a few hundred USD goes a long way in a poor country.  And illegal sex traffickers won't be stopped; they'll still infiltrate their way into the US, pose as modeling agencies, then secretly sell the girls to Middle Eastern princes.  Organizations like NAMBLA will continue to exist (who remembers that episode of South Park?) 

And if you want to look at sex offender demographics these days, it's not just men going R.Kelly on little girls.  We're seeing more and more adult females molesting or sexually harassing boys (and girls as well.)  And since there is that whole "cougar" trend, it's getting more attention. 

Then again, those are all difficult battles to fight, and harassing the media is easier, right?  What's more harmful?  Drawings and fictional stories of adults having sex with children or adults actually having sex with children? 
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« Reply #47 on: June 13, 2009, 02:48:11 PM »

Do they even care anymore whether it does anything to actually stem the problem as long as they can feel vindicated in their beliefs?

I'm not so sure.

After all, instant solution, just add water. That's what way of the modern world.
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« Reply #48 on: June 13, 2009, 05:35:12 PM »

Presea, Anise, and Cocona are all loli fetish characters.  Hell, Cocona's like 11.
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« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2009, 07:40:54 PM »

Do they even care anymore whether it does anything to actually stem the problem as long as they can feel vindicated in their beliefs?

I'm not so sure.

After all, instant solution, just add water. That's what way of the modern world.

Reality (and/or the acceptance of reality) will not prevent me from tirading on the internet!! :P 
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« Reply #50 on: June 15, 2009, 03:31:15 AM »

Gee, my English sucks sometimes.
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« Reply #51 on: June 15, 2009, 11:38:15 AM »

Dunno about Kodomo no Jikan, but banning loli hentai aint gonna go over well. Firstly because it's more likely cathartic to people with those tendencies, and secondly because the actual causation/correlation thing is like violent videogames = real life violence. Media simply doesn't do that to people.

Really? There are numerous peer-reviewed research studies that disagree. A quick Google search brings up a few of the many articles:
http://news.rutgers.edu/medrel/news-releases/2008/11/rutgers-researcher20-20081118
http://umichpress.typepad.com/university_of_michigan_pr/2008/11/does-media-violence-lead-to-real-violence-and-do-video-games-impair-academic-performance.html
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/122/5/e1067
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071127142134.htm

Similar with exposure to sexual media:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/117/4/1018
http://www.dianarussell.com/chapter.html

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The fact is, if you wanna abuse little kids, you're gonna do it anyway. It's probably MORE likely to happen if you don't have an outlet in fantasy. And with hentai, no real person is being abused, so it's not like actual child porn where an actual naked child is involved. Sometimes, fantasy can be therapeutic.

I think this kind of moralising is pointless. Removing an object of desire doesn't make a desire less. It often makes it stronger. Morality would be better served by getting actual abusers some help, and providing outreach programs to people who do have pedophiliac tendencies. Closeting such things only makes people feel like criminals and enhances the issue. Letting them talk about it and working to help solve their issues can do a lot more.

The idea that viewing pornography (child or otherwise) makes your sexual urges less is simply ridiculous. Please read the summary of Dr. Diana Russell's research above. Seriously though, you don't even need research to tell you this. Can you honestly say that after viewing pornography, you have less sex-related thoughts and desires? Maybe I'm a freak here, but in my experience, when I was regularly viewing pornography, I would definitely start looking at women in a different way, think about sex more often, and even be more likely to try to push the physical boundaries with my girlfriend. Even now that I'm married, the couple of times that I've failed and viewed pornography, which is terrible and harmful for one's marriage (even if my spouse didn't know), my attitude and behavior towards my wife and the way I think and interact with other women I see is changed. And I'm not even a struggling sex offender--imagine how much more it affects the attitude and behavior of someone who is!

As they say: Garbage in - garbage out!

Sorry if that was a little too much information for anyone. Just being real here :D
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« Reply #52 on: June 15, 2009, 04:06:10 PM »

Gee, my English sucks sometimes.

Not sure what you mean by that.  Regardless, I agree with your previous sentiment that that's reality, but chose to respond to it with a silly answer rather than a sensible one. 
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« Reply #53 on: June 15, 2009, 04:21:48 PM »

The idea that viewing pornography (child or otherwise) makes your sexual urges less is simply ridiculous. Please read the summary of Dr. Diana Russell's research above. Seriously though, you don't even need research to tell you this. Can you honestly say that after viewing pornography, you have less sex-related thoughts and desires? Maybe I'm a freak here, but in my experience, when I was regularly viewing pornography, I would definitely start looking at women in a different way, think about sex more often, and even be more likely to try to push the physical boundaries with my girlfriend. Even now that I'm married, the couple of times that I've failed and viewed pornography, which is terrible and harmful for one's marriage (even if my spouse didn't know), my attitude and behavior towards my wife and the way I think and interact with other women I see is changed. And I'm not even a struggling sex offender--imagine how much more it affects the attitude and behavior of someone who is!

As they say: Garbage in - garbage out!

Sorry if that was a little too much information for anyone. Just being real here :D

Meh. All very nice research, but there's a wealth of info on both sides of this. Me personally? I treat porn as cathartic. I've had a strong libido since long before I discovered pornography. I do in fact have less attention towards sex after viewing pornography and getting off. It just kinda fades away. Maybe I'm an exception, but I've found most of my friends to be the same way, and if we assume that every 1 person is largely equal in opinion to approximately 2000 others (a common equation in statistical data gathering), then the resultant number is a pretty big slice of pie.
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« Reply #54 on: June 15, 2009, 08:30:47 PM »

Gee, my English sucks sometimes.

Not sure what you mean by that.  Regardless, I agree with your previous sentiment that that's reality, but chose to respond to it with a silly answer rather than a sensible one. 

"That's what way of the modern world."

That's THE way of the modern world.

I was amazed at how poor my English was in that sentence, is all. Very irksome, if I may say so myself.
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« Reply #55 on: June 15, 2009, 08:32:44 PM »

Man, I'm a doofus for misunderstanding, misinterpreting, and misunderestimating. 

Still, I'd rather be a doofus than a loli-pop licking perv. :P
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« Reply #56 on: June 15, 2009, 08:44:00 PM »

That does sound better, but I'm only trying to make a point that a ban of this sort is, in itself, an absurd notion that serves no actual purpose.

A law with no purpose if not for how it assuages the consciences of the masses is not, in fact, a good law.

No matter what the well-meaning people who brought said law into existence may say about it.
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« Reply #57 on: June 15, 2009, 10:03:38 PM »

In other words, there's that old saying that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
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« Reply #58 on: June 15, 2009, 10:36:05 PM »

The idea that viewing pornography (child or otherwise) makes your sexual urges less is simply ridiculous. Please read the summary of Dr. Diana Russell's research above. Seriously though, you don't even need research to tell you this. Can you honestly say that after viewing pornography, you have less sex-related thoughts and desires? Maybe I'm a freak here, but in my experience, when I was regularly viewing pornography, I would definitely start looking at women in a different way, think about sex more often, and even be more likely to try to push the physical boundaries with my girlfriend. Even now that I'm married, the couple of times that I've failed and viewed pornography, which is terrible and harmful for one's marriage (even if my spouse didn't know), my attitude and behavior towards my wife and the way I think and interact with other women I see is changed. And I'm not even a struggling sex offender--imagine how much more it affects the attitude and behavior of someone who is!

As they say: Garbage in - garbage out!

Sorry if that was a little too much information for anyone. Just being real here :D

Meh. All very nice research, but there's a wealth of info on both sides of this. Me personally? I treat porn as cathartic. I've had a strong libido since long before I discovered pornography. I do in fact have less attention towards sex after viewing pornography and getting off. It just kinda fades away. Maybe I'm an exception, but I've found most of my friends to be the same way, and if we assume that every 1 person is largely equal in opinion to approximately 2000 others (a common equation in statistical data gathering), then the resultant number is a pretty big slice of pie.
Yeah, I was eager to justify it too when I was involved in that.
When I was truly honest with myself though, I knew it wasn't a good thing.
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« Reply #59 on: June 16, 2009, 09:21:44 AM »

I do not agree that porn decreases your sexual urges, merely fulfills them. If I hit a punching bag shaped like a person a few times every day as a personal outlet, will that suddenly make me look at other people as punching bags I can beat whenever I want? Of course not.

You're arguing that people who view porn will look at women one way, and Hidoshi is arguing the opposite. You both are forgetting that each person's reaction to visual and aural input is vastly different. It may not affect some people, it may affect others a little, and still others may be influenced a lot. Certain people are just more easily influenced by such things. It's not smart to group people, whether you're separating them into two groups or a thousand, because each individual processes information differently, and things as complicated as psychology shouldn't be assessed in such a shallow method.

And please, don't try to argue using non sequiturs, Redeemed - it tarnishes the points you did make.
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