The awful war between JRPGFans and WRPGFans

[Sagacious-T]

i like some western rpg's especially diablo clones like x-men legends/marvel ultimate alliance/everquest etc. yet at the same time think morrowind is crap. whats the point of collecting l33t gear if you cant see your character? but one thing that kills many wrpgs for me is the art direction.

Ironic as fuck, considering in most JRPGs you can't see any graphical changes on your character besides weapons.. which you can see at all times in Elder Scrolls as well.

[MeshGearFox]

Okay. RAI specifically I'm willing to chalk up to laziness which is what I MEANT when I said that although I admit it wasn't clear.

Reasoning.

If it was a side-feature that they sort of nixed, not so much, but it was kind of one of the main new features in Oblivion, it's not hard to script for, and it's not a lengthy process making RAI pseudo-scripts. I mean, like, broadly assigning a behavior to a large subset of creatures/NPCs is something that'd maybe take ten minutes at most. Maybe another half hour of testing to really tweak it right? Actually uniquely scripting everyone would be trickier but that's not really the POINT of RAI, and RAI *exists* so that you don't have to define unique behaviors for everyone. RAI, as a system, is very well designed and an excellent idea. The actual implementation, on the RAI pseudo-scripting level, is lacking in every way and I cannot find any explanation other than Bethesda just not giving a shit.

I actually have first-hand experience playing with RAI in the editor too, so that's something I DEFINITELY am aware of the creation process of. I've also fiddled with Creatures AI and the NPC scheduler in Ultima 7 (via... the editor the Exult guys made? I think?) to note some similarities. AND I've used the mods in question with more complex RAI stuff (OOO is one of them! MMM is another, maybe) so, again...

Making RAI pseudoscripts is quick and easy. I have made RAI pseudoscripts and I find it quick and easy. Thus, Bethesda's inability to do this indicates laziness to me, because it's that simple and quick (as being able to simply and quickly set up broad NPC/creature behaviors is the entire point of RAI).

yet at the same time think morrowind is crap. whats the point of collecting l33t gear if you cant see your character?

Press tab, go into third person mode.

Yeah, if you find that a sidequest is lame, then, uh......

What if all of the sidequests are lame and the game consists of nothing but sidequests? Then it's not a matter of "Well, this sidequest is more irritating and the rewards sucks. Let's do something else." When THAT happens, you're sort of screwed.

Also I'm refering to Daggerfall. I didn't like Oblivion's quests much but they weren't THAT bad. I've just played better. Daggerfall's were just hideous, all of them, equally, and you had nothing else to do in the game except aimlessly explore completely empty fields.

[N-Sef]

This 'war' is as pointless as the console wars or the cola wars. Just enjoy what you enjoy, what is so hard about that? I for one enjoy both of them, for different reasons. Sure opinions differ, but is really worth your time debating the individual merits of two sub genres?

[MeshGearFox]

If you're not debating things on an internet forum what ELSE are you doing with the internet forum?

I'll tell you.

You're being 60 and sharing pictures of your cats and African Violets.

[Dincrest]

This 'war' is as pointless as the console wars or the cola wars. Just enjoy what you enjoy, what is so hard about that? I for one enjoy both of them, for different reasons. Sure opinions differ, but is really worth your time debating the individual merits of two sub genres?

You see, that's thinking logically and a trapping of humans is that we think with emotions as much as, if not more than, cold hard logic.  There's this glitch in human programming where you have to think that your tastes are superior and everyone else's are inferior.  Musical taste is something that gets argued all the time.  God forbid you enjoy the music of The Jonas Brothers lest ye be ripped a new asshole by everyone else. 

And though, as people mentioned, we're generally mature about this sort of thing at RPGFan, you find "anti" sentiment in everything.  Gearheads argue all the time about American vs. Japanese cars.  Guitarists sometimes put too much stock into the brand name on the headstock than closing their eyes and letting their hands and ears be the judge.  It's that "logic vs. emotion" war. 

I was a weeaboo once upon a time, until I realized I was being an idiot.

[ChevalierEagle]

If you're not debating things on an internet forum what ELSE are you doing with the internet forum?

I'll tell you.

You're being 60 and sharing pictures of your cats and African Violets.

[MeshGearFox]

Gearheads argue all the time about American vs. Japanese cars.  Guitarists sometimes put too much stock into the brand name on the headstock than closing their eyes and letting their hands and ears be the judge.  It's that "logic vs. emotion" war.

You get some really amusing arguments on Gardenweb too, sometimes. The best one recently was on the Cacti and Succulent forum, where someone is asking about the legality of wild collected cacti, Pirate Girl jumps in and starts ranting about how every cactus is owned by someone, another person comes in and says wild collection isn't really condoned, but that Pirate Girl is full of shit, and then it turns into an argument about who's a real christian and who isn't.

And so I'm like "Fuck this you guys go identify this crassula I found at OddLots." And Pirate Girl is like "all of your links are dead," because I just posted a link in my post, instead of embedding it or something. Copy and paste goddammit is it that hard why are you all so insane what is this i don't even