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« Reply #435 on: March 12, 2011, 03:35:20 PM »

I really can't wrap my head around why school girls and the best thing since sliced bread.  Speaking at times, it seems like their anime is taken more seriously than even their movie industry, you'd think there would be more interesting stuff floating around.

Aside from children's and family oriented anime, there's little mainstream demand. The rest can be somewhat comparable to the comic/graphic novel industry in the US.

The problem with the latter is that they're unable to monetize it well. Nowadays, most TV shows air very late at night, so there's no money made on broadcast (the production companies pay for the slots themselves....there's no outside sponsorship). Since the business model consists of selling expensive DVDs and related merchandise, the otaku who really get into the characters are often the only ones willing to pay.

In the end, it's a vicious circle. As the anime industry shrinks, producers target the paying customers more. However, this in turn narrows the type of content that's available, making it difficult to attract new fans. Unless things change, the industry will gradually creep toward death.
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« Reply #436 on: March 12, 2011, 03:37:29 PM »

Anime and RPGs are drowing in damp otaku tissues.


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« Reply #437 on: March 12, 2011, 03:51:41 PM »

Anime and RPGs are drowing in damp otaku tissues.




....damp from what kind of fluid....?
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« Reply #438 on: March 12, 2011, 03:52:25 PM »

Don't be coy Dice.

You know what I mean.
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« Reply #439 on: March 12, 2011, 03:58:22 PM »

I have to say this: Dice and Starmongoose's convo is how Ar tonelico used to be!  Coy, but you got the innuendo.  I'm not sure how the series lost its way, but it did.  Maybe they felt people weren't getting the jokes without screaming them in their face, but there's nothing left up to the imagination in Qoga.  Do you like the comedian who makes those over the top, ultra obvious, in your face jokes or do you appreciate some subtlety and wit?
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« Reply #440 on: March 12, 2011, 04:01:46 PM »

Reading this thread might actually be better than playing the game.
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« Reply #441 on: March 12, 2011, 04:14:05 PM »

Do you like the comedian who makes those over the top, ultra obvious, in your face jokes or do you appreciate some subtlety and wit?

I don't know, but I usually enjoy watching George Carlin.
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« Reply #442 on: March 12, 2011, 04:16:34 PM »

I did read Kstar's review and agreed with her on why AT3 would be bad, but... It seems like something I'd really like. Too bad my plans to get a PS3 fell through. Now I'll just have to live with trying to find the original two Ar Tonelinco's. Woe is me.
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« Reply #443 on: March 12, 2011, 05:01:20 PM »

I have to say this: Dice and Starmongoose's convo is how Ar tonelico used to be!  Coy, but you got the innuendo.  I'm not sure how the series lost its way, but it did.  Maybe they felt people weren't getting the jokes without screaming them in their face, but there's nothing left up to the imagination in Qoga.  Do you like the comedian who makes those over the top, ultra obvious, in your face jokes or do you appreciate some subtlety and wit?

It's just Japan these days imo.  What used to be subtle fanservice is now blatant boobies in the face.*


Source:  Most anime produced in the last couple of years.
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« Reply #444 on: March 12, 2011, 05:13:30 PM »

Either way, I'm curious as to why Gust has been going for a younger look recently.  I mean, obviously to appease some of their fans, but when you compare it to more of the original games, I'd say the design quality has gone down, despite actually visually looking better.  If you compare earlier Gust games, like Marie and Elie, they looked young, but not like 13-year olds.  Judie and Violet both look much older, by at least 3-4 years.  Then compare that design to the new Atelier game's design, where the heroine looks 12 or so (well, in the defense of Gust, she might possibly be 12).
It's more than something just happening in Ar tonelico, but in their flagship Atelier as well.

I think part of the new character design thing may have to do with the 3d modeling. While I'm not trying to defend it, it you look at the male characters, they tend to look pretty young for some reason as well, and the ingame graphics, at least for Atelier Rorona have a bit of a chibi thing going on.
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« Reply #445 on: March 12, 2011, 05:19:26 PM »

Either way, I'm curious as to why Gust has been going for a younger look recently.  I mean, obviously to appease some of their fans, but when you compare it to more of the original games, I'd say the design quality has gone down, despite actually visually looking better.  If you compare earlier Gust games, like Marie and Elie, they looked young, but not like 13-year olds.  Judie and Violet both look much older, by at least 3-4 years.  Then compare that design to the new Atelier game's design, where the heroine looks 12 or so (well, in the defense of Gust, she might possibly be 12).
It's more than something just happening in Ar tonelico, but in their flagship Atelier as well.

I think part of the new character design thing may have to do with the 3d modeling. While I'm not trying to defend it, it you look at the male characters, they tend to look pretty young for some reason as well, and the ingame graphics, at least for Atelier Rorona have a bit of a chibi thing going on.

^This. Somehow I don't think it's so much they're trying to use younger character as it is something gets lost in translation between the 2D design team and the 3D modeling team. Atelier Rorona is a perfect example of this.

Compare this, in which the character looks 8 freaking years old to this, where she looks at least 13-15ish.

It's possible the "10 year old" look may have not been the design team's intention.
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« Reply #446 on: March 12, 2011, 05:36:43 PM »

I was actually referring to the art, not the character models.  The designs have gotten younger, even when compared to the Iris series which is only 5-7 years old.  Viese didn't look 13 in Iris 2 and other than Iris herself she's the cloest we got to a traditional "Atelier heroine" in the subseries.

Compare the below of the same character by what I mean by making characters look younger.  The one from CE has definitely lost a year or two.  The same thing happened with AT1's characters in CE.
http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/Cross_Edge/art-015.jpg
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/marie.gif

Also, Atelier Lilie.
http://www.ncsx.com/www/ncs061801/Thursday/atelier_lillie_front.jpg

In understand the younger looks is a trend.  A trend I don't particularly enjoy, especially since Gust has and has had some amazing artists working for it.
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« Reply #447 on: March 12, 2011, 05:47:13 PM »

Either way, I'm curious as to why Gust has been going for a younger look recently.  I mean, obviously to appease some of their fans, but when you compare it to more of the original games, I'd say the design quality has gone down, despite actually visually looking better.  If you compare earlier Gust games, like Marie and Elie, they looked young, but not like 13-year olds.  Judie and Violet both look much older, by at least 3-4 years.  Then compare that design to the new Atelier game's design, where the heroine looks 12 or so (well, in the defense of Gust, she might possibly be 12).
It's more than something just happening in Ar tonelico, but in their flagship Atelier as well.

I think part of the new character design thing may have to do with the 3d modeling. While I'm not trying to defend it, it you look at the male characters, they tend to look pretty young for some reason as well, and the ingame graphics, at least for Atelier Rorona have a bit of a chibi thing going on.

^This. Somehow I don't think it's so much they're trying to use younger character as it is something gets lost in translation between the 2D design team and the 3D modeling team. Atelier Rorona is a perfect example of this.

Compare this, in which the character looks 8 freaking years old to this, where she looks at least 13-15ish.

It's possible the "10 year old" look may have not been the design team's intention.

Nah...
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« Reply #448 on: March 12, 2011, 09:41:57 PM »

Either way, I'm curious as to why Gust has been going for a younger look recently.  I mean, obviously to appease some of their fans, but when you compare it to more of the original games, I'd say the design quality has gone down, despite actually visually looking better.  If you compare earlier Gust games, like Marie and Elie, they looked young, but not like 13-year olds.  Judie and Violet both look much older, by at least 3-4 years.  Then compare that design to the new Atelier game's design, where the heroine looks 12 or so (well, in the defense of Gust, she might possibly be 12).
It's more than something just happening in Ar tonelico, but in their flagship Atelier as well.

I think part of the new character design thing may have to do with the 3d modeling. While I'm not trying to defend it, it you look at the male characters, they tend to look pretty young for some reason as well, and the ingame graphics, at least for Atelier Rorona have a bit of a chibi thing going on.

^This. Somehow I don't think it's so much they're trying to use younger character as it is something gets lost in translation between the 2D design team and the 3D modeling team. Atelier Rorona is a perfect example of this.

Compare this, in which the character looks 8 freaking years old to this, where she looks at least 13-15ish.

It's possible the "10 year old" look may have not been the design team's intention.

Nah...

I may be way off base in saying this: but I thought the SD graphics are a throwback to the SD-looking 2D sprites of yesteryear.

I thought Rorona's graphics were garbage.  I actually thought the 3D Rorona wasn't the same character as the actual Rorona - the model just looked to young..!
Totori finally did justice to Kishida Mel's art (only to have it thrown in the shitter again for direct K-ON-a-like, Sora no Woto....poor Kishida).

I personally have started to hate playing characters so many years younger than me.
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« Reply #449 on: March 12, 2011, 10:32:19 PM »

I actually agree with Tooker's lower score even though I'm a big fan of the series.

Don't want to threadjack - just wanted to say thanks.  Good to know somebody has actually read at least one of my reviews. :)  And good to know you didn't think I was hating on it.  I had my issues with EO3, but it's still a good game!
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