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« Reply #45 on: December 22, 2009, 10:01:59 AM »


1- My cats stay indoors all the time.  They do not need to defend themselves via anything other than shoving my dog into a wall, which they can do without front claws.  And has already been stated, and we knew well before deciding to declaw, they don't even use their front claws to fight.

2- What walls do they need to climb, exactly?  My cats get around to the highest places in my house without any problems at all.

3- And what, preytell, do you think happens when the cat is neutered?  Would YOU like some burly guy coming in and cutting off your junk?  Being for one and against the other is hypocritical, if you ask me.

1> You have indoor cats? I'll give you that then, however your cats are weaksauce.
2> Worn and rotted fences are often heavily climbed by kitties since, breed pending, I've seen a house cat leap a batshit 9.5 ft. onto a fence, lunge its head forward and catch a bird in a literal blink of a human eye. This cat then brought its bird over to me and my neighbor, bit its head off, placed it our feet and fervently meowed some battlecry of victory as she gave us our feast. Fucking sweet, I must say.
3> Where in any of this did I say I'm for neutering? I think it's because I didn't mention one fucking word on it either way, that I may feel I didn't state this. I also feel I wouldn't say such a thing, since I'm also against spaying and neutering. Quit jumping to wild assumptions with a haphazard attempt at trying to make me look the fool or shut your mouth. You make yourself look like a retard half the time and I don't get to have that fun, you jerk.
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« Reply #46 on: December 22, 2009, 10:57:21 AM »

I'm arguing with like 5 people in this thread.  Give me some slack if I can't remember exactly who said what.  At least one person said they were against declawing but for neutering, so my point still stands.
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« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2009, 01:30:31 PM »

1> You have indoor cats? I'll give you that then, however your cats are weaksauce.

Being an outdoor cat isn't a guarantee of not being weaksauce though.

Anyways, this is why they made scratching posts. We didn't declaw ours since we found out how declawing REALLY works, and getting him a scratching post makes that his first target rather than the carpet or furniture.
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« Reply #48 on: December 22, 2009, 01:36:25 PM »

my cat is batshit insane and still has her claws. I have a few scars on my legs, but that is the price I pay for owning a cat and not being the kind of douche that gets the claws removed.
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All right, we are going to use a fan brush here and uh why don't you take some hunter green and we are going to put a happy little bush right down over here in the corner there and that'll just be our little secret and if you tell anyone that that bush is there I will come to your house and I will cut you.
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« Reply #49 on: December 22, 2009, 02:11:12 PM »

You know, this is getting tiring, so I'll point out that the cats are at my folk's house, so it was their say on whether or not the cats kept their claws.  It wasn't my decision.  So you can stop your PETA "HE'S THE DEVIL" bullshit and stick to the topic of whether it's ok or not instead of making personal attacks on me.
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« Reply #50 on: December 22, 2009, 02:31:44 PM »

Someone is taking things a bit personally.
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All right, we are going to use a fan brush here and uh why don't you take some hunter green and we are going to put a happy little bush right down over here in the corner there and that'll just be our little secret and if you tell anyone that that bush is there I will come to your house and I will cut you.
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« Reply #51 on: December 22, 2009, 02:41:18 PM »

Well, it's hard not to when you have about 5-6 people screaming at you that you're no better than a murderer because you'd like to both have funiture AND pets, which is apparently some kind of horrible offense now.
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« Reply #52 on: December 22, 2009, 02:47:41 PM »

I'm going to ignore your incredible glossing over of the point about furniture and cats and get to the real issue with declawing: It cripples the cat. Declawing is cruel not simply because it inhibits the cat's ability to defend itself or escape, but because you are actually cutting off a part of its fingers and toes. It inhibits its movement, rendering the cat a cripple for life. Think of how your balance would be affected by someone shearing off your toes at the knuckle? It is exactly, no exaggeration whatsoever, like that for a cat.

Now, many people anecdotally say "oh my cat seems fine", but any number of vets and pet specialists can give you the same answer: They aren't. They're adapting, the same way someone who has no toes would, but that doesn't make it fair or a good idea. It's cruel, and nothing changes that.

Despite what I said earlier also: It isn't that you can't have furniture and cats. It's that if you care more about your furniture than your pets, you have your priorities wildly out of whack.

ie: You are a bad person if you crippled an animal simply to preserve furniture.

Either don't own a pet, find an alternative method of cajoling them into not scratching, or protect your furniture some other way. Don't be a douchebag.
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« Reply #53 on: December 22, 2009, 02:50:19 PM »

I don't see anyone screaming at you, nor do I see anyone saying you are no better than a murderer. What I see is people with a different opinion than you expressing that opinion. My own personal belief is that the claws shouldn't be removed. It seems a bit cruel in the scheme of things. Does it make you a horrible person for doing it? No. Is the act itself, in my opinion, a douchey thing to do, yeah. My cat has yet to ruin a single piece of furniture with her claws. She has gnawed a corner of my desk to shit, but her claws have ruined a total of one shirt because it was in my closet and she decided to climb it, and the way she grabbed it caused it to rip. It happens. Even if she just had her back claws it could have happened.
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All right, we are going to use a fan brush here and uh why don't you take some hunter green and we are going to put a happy little bush right down over here in the corner there and that'll just be our little secret and if you tell anyone that that bush is there I will come to your house and I will cut you.
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« Reply #54 on: December 22, 2009, 03:11:58 PM »

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ie: You are a bad person if you crippled an animal simply to preserve furniture.

Um, I never said that.  I claimed it as something to -note-, not as the only reason to ever do it.  As I've already pointed out, my dogs would likely be dead, most of my family seriously injured, most of our furniture in pieces, and one of the cats probably would have killed the other(Even with only their back claws, one has managed to seriously harm the other on her face, and they spend a lot more time fighting with their front legs then with their back).  All of that was prevented by doing a simple procedure that my folks decided was necessary.

And I'd really prefer you not say things like "YOU LOVE YOUR FURNITURE MORE THAN YOUR PETS" because it is blatantly not true.  I would run into a burning house to save my animals, in fact I would do just about anything to protect them.  I just fail to see the harm in wanting to not have holes in my drywall and dead dogs.

If you are going to have your cats go outside, then as I've already said, the claws HAVE to stay in.  Taking them out in such a situation is a death sentance on the cat since it can no longer adequately protect itself from danger.  If that cat is going to stay inside all the time, then I really don't see the harm in removing them, just like I don't see the harm in removing the stink glands from a pet skunk or neutering a pet so it doesn't go into heat and multiply.  If you do ANY of those things you are "crippling" the animal, but hardly anyone would bat an eye at either.

It's obvious we're not going to see eye to eye on this, though, so if you're willing to drop it at this point so am I.

@Daggerstrike: This sounds kind of funny coming from myself, since I'm constantly told this, but I don't think you realize how antagonistic you are.
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« Reply #55 on: December 22, 2009, 03:31:11 PM »

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Um, I never said that.  I claimed it as something to -note-, not as the only reason to ever do it.  As I've already pointed out, my dogs would likely be dead, most of my family seriously injured, most of our furniture in pieces, and one of the cats probably would have killed the other(Even with only their back claws, one has managed to seriously harm the other on her face, and they spend a lot more time fighting with their front legs then with their back).  All of that was prevented by doing a simple procedure that my folks decided was necessary.

And I'd really prefer you not say things like "YOU LOVE YOUR FURNITURE MORE THAN YOUR PETS" because it is blatantly not true.  I would run into a burning house to save my animals, in fact I would do just about anything to protect them.  I just fail to see the harm in wanting to not have holes in my drywall and dead dogs.

If you are going to have your cats go outside, then as I've already said, the claws HAVE to stay in.  Taking them out in such a situation is a death sentance on the cat since it can no longer adequately protect itself from danger.  If that cat is going to stay inside all the time, then I really don't see the harm in removing them, just like I don't see the harm in removing the stink glands from a pet skunk or neutering a pet so it doesn't go into heat and multiply.  If you do ANY of those things you are "crippling" the animal, but hardly anyone would bat an eye at either.

It's obvious we're not going to see eye to eye on this, though, so if you're willing to drop it at this point so am I.

@Daggerstrike: This sounds kind of funny coming from myself, since I'm constantly told this, but I don't think you realize how antagonistic you are.

How am I being antagonistic? I am trying to get to your reasoning and trying to figure out why you are overreacting and taking everything so personally. Sometimes I am antagonistic, but this isn't one of those times.
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All right, we are going to use a fan brush here and uh why don't you take some hunter green and we are going to put a happy little bush right down over here in the corner there and that'll just be our little secret and if you tell anyone that that bush is there I will come to your house and I will cut you.
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« Reply #56 on: December 22, 2009, 03:32:48 PM »

So, ummm, should I declaw and castrate my pet rock? 
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« Reply #57 on: December 22, 2009, 04:00:41 PM »

If you don't want it to leave pebbles in your shoe, I'd say to avoid it.
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« Reply #58 on: December 22, 2009, 04:13:27 PM »

You know, this is the first time I heard about declawing. But then again, apparantly it's illegal in the Netherlands. It's hard to imagine a cat without claws. The cats I know look happy when they sink their claws into a scratching pole or tree.

As for spaying/neuturing, I'm all for. It's nice when animals can go outside unsupervised without having to worry about unwanted kittens. It's a small price to pay for freedom, if you ask me. My rabbit seems perfectly happy without his balls. Now he can enjoy the company of lovely lady rabbit without worrying about being kicked out of the house because of baby bunnies. He makes happy jumps every morning <3

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Um, I never said that.  I claimed it as something to -note-, not as the only reason to ever do it.  As I've already pointed out, my dogs would likely be dead, most of my family seriously injured, most of our furniture in pieces, and one of the cats probably would have killed the other(Even with only their back claws, one has managed to seriously harm the other on her face, and they spend a lot more time fighting with their front legs then with their back).  All of that was prevented by doing a simple procedure that my folks decided was necessary.

If the animals don't get along, isn't it better to separate them/find another home for one or several animals? Cats and dogs that get along don't fight until the other bleeds, atleast the cats and dogs I know don't.

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« Reply #59 on: December 22, 2009, 07:18:38 PM »

You know, this is getting tiring, so I'll point out that the cats are at my folk's house, so it was their say on whether or not the cats kept their claws.  It wasn't my decision.  So you can stop your PETA "HE'S THE DEVIL" bullshit and stick to the topic of whether it's ok or not instead of making personal attacks on me.
PETA kills more animals annually than toxic waste spills. I hate those cocksuckers too.
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