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« Reply #105 on: January 15, 2010, 08:02:29 AM »

It's very possible that the groups I've been hearing are the vocal minority that hated Dragon Age, but I've seen it posted enough times that it certainly didn't feel like a minority to me.
Ever hear of the term "Hasty Generalization"?

Sure have.  Don't see how it applies here though.  I certainly didn't make one, given that I made a logical deduction from the information I've been presented over several weeks.

When all you see is negative review, it's kind of hard to say "Well I bet most people liked it!".
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« Reply #106 on: January 15, 2010, 08:06:53 AM »

And remember kids, it's very easy to lie with statistics. 
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« Reply #107 on: January 15, 2010, 08:08:57 AM »

And remember kids, it's very easy to lie with statistics. 

13% of all people know that.
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« Reply #108 on: January 15, 2010, 08:33:36 AM »

Sure have.  Don't see how it applies here though.  I certainly didn't make one, given that I made a logical deduction from the information I've been presented over several weeks.
How is going from "Some people I know hated the game!" to "The game is not well received by normal gamers" any sort of a logical deduction? That's like if I said "I see a lot of people dislike Baroque, therefore everyone dislikes Baroque." You offer no proof, only some anecdotal statements attempting to apply attributes of a few select individuals to an entire population.
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« Reply #109 on: January 15, 2010, 08:52:57 AM »

And here we get to the root of the problem; you didn't read what I said, and just assumed I said something stupid.  This is what I said, verbatim:

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It's so weird to see so many regular players commenting about how boring and terrible Dragon Age is and then to see it at the top of so many editor's lists.

I see no absoultes in that statement.  I said that I've SEEN a lot of people commenting that they thought the game was boring.  Which is true, I have.  I fail to see how this translates to "EVERYBODY HATES DRAGON AGE EXCEPT YOU GUYS LOLOLOL".

Stop putting words in my mouth, thanks.
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« Reply #110 on: January 15, 2010, 10:44:08 AM »

I visit a good amount of gaming sites and have not seem this "ordinary gamers" disliking DA thing going on. Sure, there are grumbles here and there, but the majority seem pretty pleased from my own observations.
Gen, in case you haven't noticed, you seem to have a different taste in games than the "average" gamer. You always seem to be the one defending some game/genre that others don't find quite as appealing as you do. I would imagine that you would gravitate toward others(read: sites) that may have similar tastes. This could explain what you are SEEing in contrast to what others are SEEing.

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I realize that Rpgfan covers both domestic and international releases, but a game should only be included in the awards if a least half(or some other arbitrary #) of the staff has played it.
Honestly, I would prefer awards that only included domestic releases, but realize this may not be realistic.
Reagrdless, I always enjoy reading them, and make mental notes to make sujre I play things I missed (like Suikoden Teirkris(sp?))
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« Reply #111 on: January 15, 2010, 12:20:35 PM »

Grim - deciding which games to include in our awards is always a tough call.  This is especially true for platforms which not all of us have.  Given the time constraints of this being a volunteer job, though, we've had to accept that we're going to have to trust each other in areas where we don't specialize.

Fortunately, I think we've got a great staff, and I totally trust any of them.  :)
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« Reply #112 on: January 15, 2010, 12:37:25 PM »

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Did we include a non-domestic game in our Awards?  Unless I'm mistaken, I believe that all of our winners were released in 2009 in North America.  Unless you're talking about the individual editors top 5?
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« Reply #113 on: January 15, 2010, 12:38:17 PM »

Which would be in that case, I broke the streak being the non-import reviewer to do so. ;)
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« Reply #114 on: January 15, 2010, 02:57:42 PM »

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Honestly, I would prefer awards that only included domestic releases, but realize this may not be realistic.

Did we include a non-domestic game in our Awards?  Unless I'm mistaken, I believe that all of our winners were released in 2009 in North America.  Unless you're talking about the individual editors top 5?
Yes, the Editor top 5's are what I am referring to. References to FFXIII, ToV PS3 edition, etc. should not be part of it. Unless you want to call them the International RPGFan awards.
I realize the importance of import reviewers, and appreciate their input, but still think games only released in Japan should not be included. Just my opinion.
Like I said, my request is unrealistic.
I tend to use end of year awards as a way to remind myself of games that I missed and should have played.
edit: I forgot my other nitpick. Sorry James, but it's with you again. Fallout 3 came out last year. I realize they re-package it, add in the dlc and call it the GOTY edition, but it's still the same game. It should not be included in 2009 awards. Once again, just my opinion.
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« Reply #115 on: January 15, 2010, 04:06:49 PM »

I see no issue with Editors' top-fives having non-US releases on there.  The Editors' top 5 lists are individual perogative and have no bearing on the sitewide awards as a whole.  Just a "here's what we as individuals liked best."  With the sitewide awards, yes those favor domestic releases since that's what most of us played.  
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« Reply #116 on: January 15, 2010, 04:19:27 PM »

Yeah, seconding Neal. If anything putting in such a level of unnecessary control would only make the importer lists blander, I'd save the criticism for if they actually got awards in favor of other titles.
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« Reply #117 on: January 15, 2010, 09:55:41 PM »

Trust me. I really don't have a problem with it. I like the editor lists as much as anyone. I just think import stuff should have it's own category or "list"
I'm comparing to other sites awards, as well as movie awards and such. Import, or "foreign", stuff is pretty much always given it's own category.
No big deal. Time to move on...

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« Reply #118 on: January 16, 2010, 12:31:37 AM »

I see no issue with Editors' top-fives having non-US releases on there.  The Editors' top 5 lists are individual perogative and have no bearing on the sitewide awards as a whole.  Just a "here's what we as individuals liked best."  With the sitewide awards, yes those favor domestic releases since that's what most of us played.  

^ Pretty much what I was going to post, that in personal editor lists I don't see the big deal. If imports/re-packages were in the overall/category stuff then I'd understand the complaints.. but I don't think so. I say this because I used to import and would have them in my editor picks in previous years.

One year, I'll get to submit a list again :P
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« Reply #119 on: January 16, 2010, 04:47:29 AM »

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Honestly, I would prefer awards that only included domestic releases, but realize this may not be realistic.

Did we include a non-domestic game in our Awards?  Unless I'm mistaken, I believe that all of our winners were released in 2009 in North America.  Unless you're talking about the individual editors top 5?
Yes, the Editor top 5's are what I am referring to. References to FFXIII, ToV PS3 edition, etc. should not be part of it. Unless you want to call them the International RPGFan awards.
I realize the importance of import reviewers, and appreciate their input, but still think games only released in Japan should not be included. Just my opinion.
Like I said, my request is unrealistic.
I tend to use end of year awards as a way to remind myself of games that I missed and should have played.
edit: I forgot my other nitpick. Sorry James, but it's with you again. Fallout 3 came out last year. I realize they re-package it, add in the dlc and call it the GOTY edition, but it's still the same game. It should not be included in 2009 awards. Once again, just my opinion.


This reminds me of last year's winner on the Wii which was decided by (among other things) the fact that FE:RD only came out in America during the course of the year while the JP and PAL regions had it the year prior.

Which is silly since this means that FFXIII is pretty much out for best of 2010.
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