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« on: January 27, 2010, 02:00:49 PM »

It seems like every single game they release is mediocre at best. Stereotypical art design, pandering fan service, terrible gameplay(and usually voice acting to go with it, hi Chaos Wars), etc.


So why are they still in business? Why do people keep buying their crappy games?

And worst of all, why would anyone let them near Sakura Wars V? (They're doing the Wii version, rumor has it.)


I'm hard pressed to think of a single good game on this list.

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Year    Title    Systems    Publisher
1998    Spectral Force 2    PSX    Idea Factory
2003    Black Stone: Magic & Steel    Xbox    Xicat Interactive
2003    Generation of Chaos Exceed    GameCube    Idea Factory
2005    Hametsu no Mars    PS2    Idea Factory
2005    Shinki Gensou Spectral Souls II    PS2    Idea Factory
2005    Spectral Force 2    PS2    Idea Factory
2005    Spectral Souls: Resurrection of the Ethereal Empires    PSP    NIS
2005    It's a game now, Dokuro-chan    PS2    Idea Factory
2006    Chaos Wars    PS2    Idea FactoryO3 Entertainment
2006    Hiiro no Kakera    DSPS2    Idea Factory
2006    Generation of Chaos    PS2PSP    NIS
2006    Rec: Doki Doki Seiyū Paradise    PS2    Idea Factory
2007    Aedis Complex: Generation of Chaos    PSP    NIS
2007    Absolute: Blazing Infinity    Xbox 360    Idea Factory
2007    Apocalypse: Desire Next    Xbox 360    Idea Factory
2007    Diario: Rebirth Moon Legend    Xbox 360    Idea Factory
2007    Mist of Chaos    PS3    Idea Factory
2007    Record of Agarest War    PS3    Compile HeartRed Entertainment
2007    Spectral Gene    PS2    Idea Factory
2008    Spectral Force Genesis    DS    Idea Factory Ignition Entertainment
   
1998    Spectral Force 2    PSX    Idea Factory
2003    Generation of Chaos Exceed    GameCube    Idea Factory
2005    Hametsu no Mars    PS2    Idea Factory
2005    Shinki Gensou Spectral Souls II    PS2    Idea Factory
2005    Spectral Force 2    PS2    Idea Factory
2006    Chaos Wars    PS2    Idea Factory
2006    Hiiro no Kakera    DS

2006    Rec: Doki Doki Seiyū Paradise    PS2    Idea Factory
2007    Absolute: Blazing Infinity    Xbox 360    Idea Factory
2007    Apocalypse: Desire Next    Xbox 360    Idea Factory
2007    Diario: Rebirth Moon Legend    Xbox 360    Idea Factory
2007    Mist of Chaos    PS3    Idea Factory
2007    Spectral Gene    PS2    Idea Factory
2007    Uwasa no Midori-kun!! Natsu Iro Striker    DS    Idea Factory
2008    Uwasa no Midori-kun!! Futari no Midori!?
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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2010, 02:04:47 PM »

I've never played any of those games, nor do I plan on it. How do they stay in business? Well, otaku eat up typical anime design and fan service, so that might be why.
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2010, 02:14:43 PM »

Are all of their games that bad? I thought they were just very niche. Like with Aedis Complex: Generations of Chaos, the vast majority of the reviews were negative, but there were a few that really liked the game. Heck, I might give it a try sometime myself - it sound interesting and someone mentioned that it was a little reminiscent of Dragon Force.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2010, 03:07:39 PM »

Their games are not meant for everyone and they know it.  Comparatively, games like Cross Edge and Valhalla Knights get bad ratings in North America, but there is a devoted group of players who do enjoy the games and will buy more.  I'd say they know that they can't expect a large group to enjoy their titles and simply don't develop for them.

That said, in recent years Idea Factory has been doing a lot of collaborations with other companies, be it GUST, NI, or Compile Heart. They've also done a bit of work with Red Entertainment. Actually, some titles you've listed, like Agarest, weren't particularly developed by Idea Factory, but were collaborations.
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2010, 03:12:06 PM »

I really can't help but feel that IF == Gen'eric.

Btw OP; You forgot Nuga-Cel from that list.
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2010, 03:44:15 PM »

I've never even heard of these games. This companies probably one of those fake companies that just exists to steal funding money, like Edge.

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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2010, 03:45:59 PM »

I dunno, their games are decent enough if you're a major strategy buff, they're just extremely hard to get into and follow pretty much the same pattern.  But then Dark Wizard's one of my favorite games of all time, so clearly my opinion in terms of strategy games should be taken with a grain of salt.  As far as the port goes, I'd imagine they let them have it because they offered the lowest contracting bid for it. :P
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2010, 07:57:41 PM »

well if they still in business it means ppl buy, even if they could say they didnt in the internet
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2010, 11:03:01 PM »

I really can't help but feel that IF == Gen'eric.

Btw OP; You forgot Nuga-Cel from that list.

If this was some kind of slight at me, I'll have you know I fucking detest Idea Factory.  They are everything that's wrong with JRPG's.


Anyway, as to the topic, Idea Factory stays in business because they operate on the same model that every shovelware company does.  Their games cost almost nil to make, so they don't have to sell many copies to make a handsome profit.  And it just so happens that there are enough people out there with no taste whatsoever who buy their shit and think it's good, and that gives them a consumer base to work from.

And the voices in Chaos Wars was not IF's fault.  A lot of things are, but give bad credit where it is due, because that atrocity was thanks to the translation team, O3 Entertainment.
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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2010, 11:10:20 PM »

the voices in Chaos Wars was not IF's fault.  A lot of things are, but give bad credit where it is due, because that atrocity was thanks to the translation team, O3 Entertainment.

quoted for truth.

To reply to OP:

about 80% of those titles haven't left Japan. With good reason.

I thought Aedis Eclipse (not Aedis COMPLEX) was a decent Strategy RPG. It's technically just Generation of Chaos V put into a portable format.

Idea Factory has a lot of shovelware. But they occasionally put out decent games too. Like another poster said, if you liked Dragon Force, you'll probably find something to like in the Spectral Force / Generation of Chaos titles. It's basically the same concept.

Also, it is true that they're handling the Wii port of Sakura Wars V. I'm really not worried about it. It's just some input and programming, it's not like they're touching the art or story at all.

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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2010, 11:39:40 PM »

How many people work at IF? maybe it could explain why they haven´t gone out of business. (It may also explain the atrocity quality of their games)
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2010, 07:38:59 AM »

I should note that the front page article of Nuga-Cel is incorrect. Its only been out for half a year now. Not five years.
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2010, 08:02:52 PM »

i actually liked chaos wars. i think the key to IF is the characters in their games. Hiro for one is really popular.
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2010, 08:06:49 PM »

At least Idea Factory doesn't claim to make high art or the gaming equivalents of La Morte de Arthur or something.  They make fanservicey stuff that often appeals to the lowest common denominator and make no bones about it.  At least they're honest about what their games are.
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2010, 08:08:57 PM »

from what ive seen so far though i think IF needs better animators.
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