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« Reply #270 on: September 06, 2010, 01:14:27 PM »

Joe Czop is a newer reviewer isn't he? I've noticed a lot of the older RPGFan reviewers seem to be a little softer towards RPGs in general with their reviews.
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« Reply #271 on: September 06, 2010, 01:39:45 PM »

Joe Czop is a newer reviewer isn't he? I've noticed a lot of the older RPGFan reviewers seem to be a little softer towards RPGs in general with their reviews.

A more strict approach is needed then. But I noticed in the RoF review that controls and story are the strongest components of the game. Now controls are pretty good, but story? Come on! Almost two thirds of the game was the 3 main characters romping around the areas of the tower and doing quests with almost no driving plot. It was a dead story and only became slightly interesting at the very end.
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« Reply #272 on: September 06, 2010, 05:56:33 PM »

I agree and to add the story is unclear, hard as hell to follow and it has those strange endings you're not sure you understood but the characters are fun so it softens it up for me.
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« Reply #273 on: September 06, 2010, 06:16:29 PM »

Characters are a part of the story so if the characters are good that's gotta count for something.
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« Reply #274 on: September 06, 2010, 08:15:19 PM »

And don't forget about the human factor.  Our import reviewer gave the game an 88.  http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/End_of_Eternity/index.html  And go figure, they had widely differing opinions on Infinite Space as well.  Viva la difference I say!

Or look at Rhapsody DS.  Pat Gann gave it a 91 and gave it Editor's Choice.  If I were reviewing it, it would get a score in the low 70s.  It's like how if you gave the same essay to two different English teachers, one might give it an A- and another might give it a C+. 
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« Reply #275 on: September 06, 2010, 08:35:51 PM »

I don't think anyone is arguing that, it's just that usually on this site since the reviewers are already RPG fans they seem to give a higher score than usual (on average).
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« Reply #276 on: September 07, 2010, 09:58:48 AM »

I was the reviewer originally assigned to RoF.  I would have given it a low-70s score, and I usually love tri-Ace's games.  Slow-paced, awkward, and too complicated for its own good, honestly.
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« Reply #277 on: September 07, 2010, 10:44:44 AM »

Less is more sometimes.  There is a deep story there.

And yeah - Rhapsody is ka-ka.  I was embarrassed when they all started singing.
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« Reply #278 on: September 07, 2010, 09:45:32 PM »

btw, Nier getting a 90 and ARF an 82 was surprising. Didn't expect that, especially with the latter.

It made me a bit sad that it got lower score than, say, The Last Remnant and Infinite Undiscovery.  To me this game is clearly superior with an innovative battle system and endearing characters.  But to each his own.
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« Reply #279 on: September 08, 2010, 09:14:15 AM »

RoF was a fun game, but I was suprised at how many reviews and players talked about the great focus on the characters. Aside from a chapter or two there really isn't any more depth to the characters than any other JRPG. The plot is also a complete mystery until the near end, and even then it isn't spelled out at all. The battle system was fun, for a chapter or two, then it becomes the same tactic over and over again.
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« Reply #280 on: October 14, 2010, 12:16:20 AM »

So I know this topic is older than dirt, but I just finished this game and after all that I'm kinda sitting here going "what the hell?"

Either I totally lost the plot somewhere, this story and ending were just too damn Japanese for me to follow, or I really need to kick someone over at tri ace in the teeth...

Help?
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« Reply #281 on: October 14, 2010, 01:07:37 AM »

Don't feel bad, I felt the same way when I beat the game.
My tip, go to gamefaqs and search for the ending spoilers, explained and that. Helped me understand it but o be honest it doesn't make much of a difference as it is still a complete mess.
Still, if you do need some closure, like I do, they explain a lot of stuff like who that lady with horns is, and that Leanne has those glowing eyes at the ending (which is actually her crystal).
You really should go there, because from memory I honestly can't be of much help.
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« Reply #282 on: October 14, 2010, 01:15:08 AM »

Just did... dunno how much is right, I already forgot some details, but this seems pretty spot on from what I recall....

Countless years after the move to the tower, Prelate Frieda dreams of a world where people could live free of this quartz, and enjoy a life on their own terms. She pushed for the idea of a world where people would control their own destiny. Because of this preaching, she attracted the cardinals as followers, with Cardinal Rowen as her closest friend and follower. Her ideas were appealing to people, but also radical, and she was unfortunately killed.

The death of Prelate Frieda drove Cardinal Rowen into a state of despair. He wanted to bring her back, as he loved her dearly. He discovered the truth of Zenith, and its powers over life and death, and wanted to exploit them to bring her back. He commissioned Sullivan to find a way to do this, and the experiments began. They found 20 children, and began using the quartz to experiment on their lifespans and seeing the effects it had, ultimately setting their quartz to cause them to expire on a certain birthday. However Juris, who was in charge of the experiment, took a liking to subject #20 (Leanne), and began to feel guilty over what they had done to the children.

With the disease ravaging humanity, some people were left outside to die. Some of them developed mutations to allow them to not only beat off the disease, but become incredibly strong and able to survive in this environment. They became effectively immortal and they hated Basel and the Zenith system for abandoning them. Rebecca, a human who lives outside of Basel, attacked the city because of this fury, and slaughtered many of the people, until she got to Vashyron.

Vashyron was a "Knight of Zenith", a person blessed by the Zenith system. When she attacked him, Zenith struck out against her, breaking her mind as well as saving his life. In this state Sullivan found her, and saw an opportunity. Sullivan dreamed of living outside of Basel, and this test subject would be perfect for his research. If he could copy her traits, he could free people from the place once and for all.

Zephyr was angry at having his fate taken from him. He flew into a rage, killing those involved and blowing up the Seminary. He expected to die for what he had done, only to be saved by Zenith itself after Vashyron shot him in the head twice. He decided to live to try to figure out why he was spared, and worked for Vashyron. One year later, Leanne was nearing the time of her appointed death after running away. She attempted to kill herself, wanting to die on her own terms, only to have Zephyr catch her in the air and save her life. In her, he found a reason for living. She became the reason that "God" (Zenith) spared his life, and he had to care for her. Meanwhile, she lived on, despite Cardinal Rowen saying she would not.

Sullivan is taking the research that has been conducted and want to make the ultimate tool, something to control Zenith. He takes Cardinal Rowen's ring, and binds the control system into it, eventually providing him with control over life and death in Basel. With this incredible power coming to him, Cardinal Rowen has a crisis of faith, as he is going from following God to being God himself. If God can be controlled, than his faith is being shaken to the core. Meanwhile, Sullivan is studying Rebecca to find a way for humans to live utterly apart from Zenith, in secret. Their goals are both in line with Prelate Frieda to an extent, but different methods. Cardinal Rowen seeks to control Zenith, while Sullivan seeks to leave it entirely.

Meanwhile, Leanne walks past Cardinal Rowen at Christmas, and he realizes she is alive. This causes his internal issues to come to a head as she shouldn't be if Zenith can be truly controlled as Sullivan has said. He needs to believe that there truly is a God beyond Zenith, and sees her continued existence as proof of that possibility. Or perhaps Sullivan just lied to him about the experiments. He needs to know which one is correct, so he goes to hunt Sullivan down and get answers.

Cardinal Rowen overhears Sullivan telling the heroes that he has Leanne quartz, and if he is killed her quartz will be destroyed and she will die. Cardinal Rowen shoots Sullivan, expecting Leanne to die shortly after due to this, and prove that there is no God, or live, and validate the existence of God. This sets Zephyr on a rampage of revenge, as his reason for existence has just been effectively killed in front of his eyes, and he swears to hunt Cardinal Rowen down and kill him.

Cardinal Rowen then gathers his forces into the Basilica, waits for the heroes to come kill him, and speak about how if God wants to stop it to step in and do so. He is attempting to force God's hand, and validate his faith. The heroes fights their way to him, confronts him, and ultimately defeats him, with Zephyr putting a bullet through his heart. But he lives due to his own control of Zenith. He realizes that the experiment was a success, due to his survival, and uses the power of Zenith to ensure the survival of the other Cardinals. Vashyron recognizes the symbol, and has the party just leave, realizing that fighting is futile given the power Cardinal Rowen wields.

After the fight Rebecca destroys the quartz she was given by Sullivan. Cardinal Rowen realizes that his faith was misplaced and discards the ring. Sullivan somehow obtained immortality through his hidden experiment, and join Rebecca in the outside world. The story ends with Leanne looking into the sky seeing her quartz was in her hand all along, with Zephyr and Vashyron at her side, outside of Basel.
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« Reply #283 on: October 14, 2010, 02:03:36 AM »

Ok, I get it. Damn they have a weird way of telling that story. It was really good, but I think it got all mashed up. It kinda reminds me of Lost. Lotsa questions, sketchy (if any!) Answers.
Freakin awesome game though. Sunk 115 hours into it. I'll probably go back and give Neverland a shot and clear out the arena too.

Thanks for your help you two.
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« Reply #284 on: October 14, 2010, 02:41:05 AM »

I liked it a lot too, it it kind of makes you wonder that in the first chapters they didn't tell much of the plot, they could've started sooner and saved us from this mess.

You're at 115 hours ? By this time I had already platinum' ed the game. I'm not saying it to brag about it, this to say, the Arena will take A LOT of your time.
Oh, and a suggestion, you should try the Arena before going to Neverland, at least level up a little. There's a trick in the fight 40 something, where you fight two helicopters; this is the best place to level up in the Arena, and from my pov in the game. Just don't kill the second chopper because this is a boss battle of the arena and once it's gone, it's really gone.
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