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« Reply #2865 on: July 26, 2014, 09:29:04 AM »

I guess in retrospect I didn't explain myself well enough. I kinda meant believability on the whole - setting, events, fights, characters, and story. Not sure why I said "Hard science fiction" though...Aura Battler Dunbine was fantasy and still managed to be believable for the most part. I just mean that I'm not ised to having to stretch my "suspension of disbelief" so far with mecha. I'm used to having characters who actions and growth make sense within the context of the setting and story. I'm used to battles having realistic tactics and limitations that stay consistant unless there's a really good explaination that effects all sides. And I'm used to the stories making at least some sense and don't spiral hopelessly out of control.

I know some older ones had some of these problems, too, but it just feels like there's been practically nothing in the last decade to off-set them outside of a few OVAs and Euraka Seven...
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« Reply #2866 on: July 27, 2014, 08:23:53 AM »

Ok, thanks for explaining. I disagree with you, but I realize that this really isn't something that I'll be able to convince you of. Side note, for realistic tactics and limitations that stay consistent totally check out World Trigger. It isn't a mech series, but it is great for tactical battles where every character on the battlefield are trying to think several moves ahead (and there is an upcoming anime!).

So spent yesterday rewatching Gundam Seed. Just a little past the halfway point. Woohoo!

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« Reply #2867 on: July 27, 2014, 10:46:17 AM »

My whole body literally trembled with glee when they finally announced the World Trigger anime. Easily my most anicipated anime since Hunter X Hunter 2011. Fall can't come soon enough!
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« Reply #2868 on: July 28, 2014, 06:37:00 AM »

So been rereading Death Note recently. I have to say that on a second time through, the series feels a lot less impressive because for most of his plans, Light is constantly either f'ing up and getting extremely lucky that he isn't caught or pulling stuff out of his butt (the watch with the secret component being one of the worst examples).
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« Reply #2869 on: July 28, 2014, 07:25:43 AM »

To put it plain and simple: They lack any sense of believeability. I know most mecha aren't exactly hard science fiction, but fuck at least they used to try, and some of them got damn close. Now it's like I'm watching super robot shows, where everything's just about how rediculous the escalation can get. One of the things I liked with Argevollen at least is that it feels like it's going back to basics, and I can't help but feel like that's the best way to go.

There's a lot more I could bang on about, but honestly I've banged on about this on every other site I go to pretty hard...I'm kinda tired of doing it. :/

EDIT: I should mention I feel like this is a problem with Sci-Fi anime as a whole, but it goes double for Mecha.

I've never watched Argevollen (actually I haven't watched any mecha series for a long while now, I should really get around to watching that last episode of Unicorn), but I do get what you're saying (I don't talk about anime anywhere but here so I have plenty to say!). My favorite mecha shows are probably still the early years of Gundam and Macross (One reason I'm looking forward to that new Tomino series).

The thing about the term "super robot" though, is that there's actually no such thing. Actually one my problems with what "super robot" shows have become is that they're so self-aware that it's annoying (it usually doesn't ruin shows or anything, it's just really irritating seeing it so much). When people made Mazinger Z or Daimos they weren't saying "let's make this a ridiculous and stupid show", they were saying "let's make a show about some teen with a robot".

On the subject of more realistic mecha though, one thing that bothers me is stuff like the Trans-Am in 00. I don't think it's actually a "believably" problem, it's a storytelling one. They're actually using it "believably" because they're abusing it every chance they get, which is the common sense thing to do if you have an overwhelming weapon like that, but from an out-of-the-universe perspective you shouldn't give the main characters "I win" buttons like that anyway. I've seen a lot of people complain about Kamille's use of the Biosensor in Zeta in retrospect, but that happened in like 2 episodes and the entire show was building up to those moments so it actually felt like a dramatic climax. Character-wise I actually liked a lot of 00 and I wouldn't mind if they made more characters like Setsuna who say a lot without saying much at all.
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« Reply #2870 on: July 28, 2014, 09:08:27 PM »

Episode 4 of SOA:GGO feels like it should have been episode 2.
Space Dandy 4 was a high school musical

The writers of Space Dandy have got to have a lot of 'creative agility' given how wild and diverse each episode is.
That or they are doing drugs non-stop.
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« Reply #2871 on: July 28, 2014, 09:12:35 PM »

Read every Yowamushi Pedal on Batoto and I'm totally left hanging.  Hime! Hime! Hime!

And I just got my copy of Battle Angel Alita: Last Order Omnibus vol. 4 and am reading that.  Alita is still my favorite manga.  
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« Reply #2872 on: Today at 06:44:03 AM »

So I am watching Gundam Seed Destiny for like the third time, and I have three thoughts at the moment.

1. Early Destiny Cagali is almost as insufferable as Shinn at any point in Destiny. Thankfully she will get better.

2. Everyone is incredibly impressed by Shinn's performance when he first goes into Seed mode, but it really was not that impressive. He just used an anti-ship sword on a bunch of ships that lacked proper anti-mobile suit weapons while the enemy's mobile suit squadrons either didn't exist or completely ignored the attack on their base of operations. I mean yes he did take out a mobile armor, but that was just a single stab with a beam saber and all anyone was praising him for was taking out 8 (or w/e) enemy ships.

3. As of this watch through, I feel like I am leaning more towards the idea that the way the series turned out is how the writers always intended it to turn out and not a rewrite due to fan reaction. At the very least Durandel was always supposed to turn out as a villain with Kira opposing him, only thing that could have really changed is what side Shinn decided to take, but if he swapped sides then things in the final battle would be far too lopsided.
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