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« on: March 08, 2010, 07:45:43 PM »

http://kotaku.com/5488592/why-modern-video-game-armies-lack-female-troops
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2010, 08:12:59 PM »

Pretty sure the real reason is just because it's a heavily male development group for a heavily male audience.  It really isn't that hard to program meshes for females...unless they were expecting to use characters with DD breasts or larger.  But yeah, I'm sure the developer is accurate here. :P 

However, I would say that the realism point does bear some merit - women are prevented from serving in the infantry combat role.  There are a lot of reasons for that, but primarily it's because men are naturally conditioned to be protectors and when women die, well, bad things happen.  War is often more about the psychological aspects than the physical aspects, and that is certainly no exception.
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2010, 08:32:44 PM »

i'm sure thats is the real reason. but they should just come out and say so instead of making up BS excuses.
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2010, 09:39:33 PM »

I find females look pretty haggard and masculine in those games anyways...
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2010, 10:05:16 PM »

UT and Quake 3 had chicks. Also canonically Unreal's main character was a female. And it wasn't just for the sake of T&A actually. Well, Q3 was... sort of but I mean... no. No, not T&A. I don't necessarily buy the "we're too lazy to make new character models" ex... actually, I'd buy them being lazy. Cost effectiveness? No. Laziness, yes.

Anyway, AFAIK, women still aren't allowed into the Navy SEALS IRL and that's why games focusing on the Navy SEALS don't include women.
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2010, 10:29:23 PM »

Women have been in the Marines since 1918.
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2010, 11:19:09 PM »

Sorry, I meant Navy SEALS.
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2010, 03:39:44 AM »

Hmm, you know, as an unintended consequence of this thread, I was reminded that there's been a big push for allowing women in the Navy to serve on submarines, which seems like a bit of a logistical nightmare, particularly for retrofitting current facilities for a second set of showers and bathrooms.
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2010, 08:15:26 AM »

Women have been serving on Navy ships since 1978.

You could possibly be referring to submarines, which was recently changed I think two weeks ago.
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2010, 09:00:07 AM »

Ah yes, I meant submarines.
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2010, 12:17:48 PM »

I just gotta say two words: Valkyria Chronicles. If it counts.
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2010, 10:36:45 PM »

^ That's what immediately came to mind.
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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2010, 11:59:47 PM »

Actually, I didn't consider that and am not even sure it's really the best example here, being more of a tactical anime-ish RPG. What IS a good game to bring up is Mass Effect, which is handling several alien races (who admittedly animate similarly enough to humans) and covers both genders, and has roughly the same type of gameplay as these games where this topic matters.

Then again, there aren't any (known?) females in the other races beyond Asari (naturally) and Quarians, so it's not a complete exception.
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2010, 02:43:11 AM »

Actually, I didn't consider that and am not even sure it's really the best example here, being more of a tactical anime-ish RPG. What IS a good game to bring up is Mass Effect, which is handling several alien races (who admittedly animate similarly enough to humans) and covers both genders, and has roughly the same type of gameplay as these games where this topic matters.

Then again, there aren't any (known?) females in the other races beyond Asari (naturally) and Quarians, so it's not a complete exception.
They have stated that we'll see female Turians, Korgan, and Salarians eventually, and Hanar and Elcor its kinda hard to determine their gender anyway.
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2010, 10:41:26 AM »

You know Alisha, Imma have to be honest with you. There is a line that balances this thing called "Equality," which I believe ought exist. However, your batshit psychotic lesbian feminist ways seem to make you take that line and vie to beat males over the head with it.


Basically stop being a stupid fuck is what I'm saying.
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